Huawei Nexus SD810 is a DEAL BREAKER for me

[Aquila]

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HTC One M9 and the one plus two are great example with 810.

I haven't used either to know of their performance, but I do consider both to devices as a package (not just processing) to be well below the competition in both this year and last year's models. I'd rank each below all other major flagships of last year other than their own, which would be below those. HTC is a company I'd like to see make a comeback, but since the M7 I haven't noticed any signs of life.

 

[getbretweir]

That's a driving force... and I think there are still questions about how well they can work the 810 to eliminate the thermal problems. Right now we have the Z5 and Nexus 6 2015 on their way. If they figured things out and the 810 performs more to where it should, no one here should have any qualms about buying a phone with the 810.

The bulk of the 810's rep comes from the G Flex 2 (paint was still wet on the 810) and the HTC M9 (and HTC can't get out of their own way these days)....

As for the 820 rumors.. those got me. I mean, these companies rarely, if ever, respond to rumors. Qualcomm has come out, several times, and said that the 820 will be first quarter of NEXT year. Never wavering, never being cheeky. "Q1 2016".

per their press release Monday, Qualcomm said the 820 will be available the FIRST HALF of 2016, not Q1

"The Snapdragon 820 processor continues QTI's long-standing tradition of integrating industry-leading modem features. It also includes support for services such as LTE-Broadcast and dual-SIM LTE carrier aggregation devices. Devices based on the Snapdragon 820 processor are expected to be available in 1H of 2016."

 

[getbretweir]

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Pass then. Some of these threads remind me like a baby throwing a temper tantrum. I'm know this is a rumors thread, but come on. Reminds me like my 5 year old not getting the stabilizers on his new fire truck.

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lol, yeah I think it's fair to say I overreacted, but if you've read all my posts about the Nexus 6 our any other phone, which I wouldn't expect anyone to, you'd see that overall I'm pretty fair and reasonable, especially in regards to processors. which are overrated IMO ... the 810 does leave me with questions, and I would've liked to have seen a Kirin 950 IF the 810 ends up having to be severely throttled. I think that's a fair assessment, but I've since retracted my statement about passing.

 

[bunique4life05]

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I'm solely basing my opinion of the 808 v 810 on the "tried and true" argument. Two of the best devices this year (G4 and Moto X Pure) have the 808 and zero of the best devices have the 810.

HTC One M9 and the one plus two are great example with 810.

I haven't used either to know of their performance, but I do consider both to devices as a package (not just processing) to be well below the competition in both this year and last year's models. I'd rank each below all other major flagships of last year other than their own, which would be below those. HTC is a company I'd like to see make a comeback, but since the M7 I haven't noticed any signs of life.

So let me see if I understand you correctly. The Moto X Pure and G4 are "better package" then the HTC M9 and One Plus 2 make them with 810 inferior. Why if you stating the device are better package and looking at sole "processing" (FYI Processor). Then the Moto and LG are better package regardless that they have 808 and HTC and The One are not better package regardless that they have 810 by using your logic.

I am having hard time understanding "808 v 810" and what "better package entails" can you explain?

If you swap the LG and Moto with 810 chip then the HTC and The One with 808 what would then say? "The best device of this year have 810 and zero have 808"

 

[getbretweir]

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I haven't used either to know of their performance, but I do consider both to devices as a package (not just processing) to be well below the competition in both this year and last year's models. I'd rank each below all other major flagships of last year other than their own, which would be below those. HTC is a company I'd like to see make a comeback, but since the M7 I haven't noticed any signs of life.

I'm definitely pulling for HTC. We really need another high end device in the rotation. Hopefully them and Qualcomm take their time and deliver a solid phone next year.

I was happy to read in Qualcomm's press release Monday, that the "Snapdragon 820 processor is expected to be available in 1H of 2016."

reason being it illustrates that internally they're not putting much pressure on themselves to rush it out to the market like last year.

The 617 should be solid too, and I hope the Hero can make HTC some cash before the New Year.

BTW, didn't understand all the hate and people complaining about the name. First of all, I don't recall HTC ever claiming it was gonna be high end, and what person over the age of 12 actually cares about the name if a phone?

Them releasing the mid range with the 617, then their flagship with the 820 is a smart business strategy. Hopefully the rest of the plan will fall into place cause HTC has the potential to be one of the best OEMs out there.

 

[Aquila]

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So let me see if I understand you correctly. The Moto X Pure and G4 are "better package" then the HTC M9 and One Plus 2 make them with 810 inferior. Why if you stating the device are better package and looking at sole "processing" (FYI Processor). Then the Moto and LG are better package regardless that they have 808 and HTC and The One are not better package regardless that they have 810 by using your logic.

I am having hard time understanding "808 v 810" and what "better package entails" can you explain?

If you swap the LG and Moto with 810 chip then the HTC and The One with 808 what would then say? "The best device of this year have 810 and zero have 808"

I'm saying that the Moto & LG are better devices and that I am unaware of any devices that I consider to be good devices that use the 810. That is coincidence not causation due to the processor, but it still means that we know the 808 can do well and we have no idea if the 810 can.

 

[Alex98]

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I'm saying that the Moto & LG are better devices and that I am unaware of any devices that I consider to be good devices that use the 810. That is coincidence not causation due to the processor, but it still means that we know the 808 can do well and we have no idea if the 810 can.

I won't talk about the Moto because i haven't read much about it but the G4 is not great beacause of its processor : its great despite its processor.

The G4 has lower battery life than the G3 and GPU performance close to the S800.

 

[Aquila]

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I won't talk about the Moto because i haven't read much about it but the G4 is not great beacause of its processor : its great despite its processor.

The G4 has lower battery life than the G3 and GPU performance close to the S800.

Right, I'm not saying the 808 is making the devices better, just that the devices are better and they happen to contain 808s. My wife's G4 has fantastic battery life (Verizon) but we never had a G3 to compare with. I just got my X Pure, so can't really comment on battery life, etc. yet.

 

[bunique4life05]

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I'm saying that the Moto & LG are better devices and that I am unaware of any devices that I consider to be good devices that use the 810. That is coincidence not causation due to the processor, but it still means that we know the 808 can do well and we have no idea if the 810 can.

Well there are alot reviews on M9 and the One Plus 2 that state they are good devices with the 810. I am sorry but I believe you are unaware if devices that are doing well with the 810. I don't think you make statement like "808 V 810" and claim "better package" if you don't have all the facts. You said it your self "you are unaware any good devices with 810". I understand you are saying is by your standard but your whole argument is bias.

The M9 and One Plus 2 are good devices regardless what you consider and they have 810. They may not be what your again consider as good which is fine. However you can't push personal opinion as overall consensus when don't consider all facts and look beyond your own preference. The M9 and One Plus 2 overall good devices with 810 by countless reviews just like LG G4 is.

Now if you go by your opinion is fine. Then simply say you don't like the 808 and don't trust 810. You are not proving anything with "808 V 810"," we know..... ", and " better package " statements are flawed by you own favoritism. You whole argument is not on any facts or even sensible to be consider a consensus. I simply can't look at the facts and then read your comments and come to same consensus when nothing is backing up your point.

I could be missing the facts but can you explain how "we know the 808 can do well and we have no idea if the 810 can"?

 

[Aquila]

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Well there are alot reviews on M9 and the One Plus 2 that state they are good devices with the 810. I am sorry but I believe you are unaware if devices that are doing well with the 810. I don't think you make statement like "808 V 810" and claim "better package" if you don't have all the facts. You said it your self "you are unaware any good devices with 810". I understand you are saying is by your standard but your whole argument is bias.

The M9 and One Plus 2 are good devices regardless what you consider and they have 810. They may not be what your again consider as good which is fine. However you can't push personal opinion as overall consensus when don't consider all facts and look beyond your own preference. The M9 and One Plus 2 overall good devices with 810 by countless reviews just like LG G4 is.

Now if you go by your opinion is fine. Then simply say you don't like the 808 and don't trust 810. You are not proving anything with "808 V 810"," we know..... ", and " better package " statements are flawed by you own favoritism. You whole argument is not on any facts or even sensible to be consider a consensus. I simply can't look at the facts and then read your comments and come to same consensus when nothing is backing up your point.

I could be missing the facts but can you explain how "we know the 808 can do well and we have no idea if the 810 can"?

By my standards (of course) the M9 and OPT are both bottom feeder devices by 2015 standards. That's not commentary on specs, or processors, it is a comment on the devices as a whole.

My reason for thinking that they rather suck is based on their inability to keep up with the competition when the competition is pushing better design, better software, new features and showing an investment in the ecosystem. IMO, HTC and OnePlus both phones it in for 2015. Using the 810 could be a symptom of that, as it is great on paper, but there are much better devices that clearly opted for an alternative for one reason or another.

In fact, all of the better devices opted for something else except maybe this rumored nexus. Now I don't know what that reason is and they're not going to tell us, but the fact remains that the leading devices use something else and we do know that they do well with those alternative options. And while they do well with other processors, we still don't have a good 2015 level flagship device that carries the 810. What we have are two or three phoned in devices that used specs as an excuse not to participate in evolution. Is it a good processor? Who knows?

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[getbretweir]

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By my standards (of course) the M9 and OPT are both bottom feeder devices by 2015 standards. That's not commentary on specs, or processors, it is a comment on the devices as a whole.

My reason for thinking that they rather suck is based on their inability to keep up with the competition when the competition is pushing better design, better software, new features and showing an investment in the ecosystem. IMO, HTC and OnePlus both phones it in for 2015. Using the 810 could be a symptom of that, as it is great on paper, but there are much better devices that clearly opted for an alternative for one reason or another.

In fact, all of the better devices opted for something else except maybe this rumored nexus. Now I don't know what that reason is and they're not going to tell us, but the fact remains that the leading devices use something else and we do know that they do well with those alternative options. And while they do well with other processors, we still don't have a good 2015 level flagship device that carries the 810. What we have are two or three phoned in devices that used specs as an excuse not to participate in evolution. Is it a good processor? Who knows?

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I'm not sure I get your point, it's kinda all over place and you seem to be backpedaling. the initial discussion was simply about the processors, and now you're bringing up overall package.

we're trying to take the M9 and OP2 vs the G4 and Pure and compare them based on processor. I've had experience with none of them, so I won't comment. I've read the same comments/reviews as everyone else, and the G4 has had consistent lag complaints, the Pure has been reported as quick and snappy, the OP2 who knows, most people list interest cause of the invite system, and the M9, as far as I know, has had no issues with the processor.

That's all I know, and I think it's fair to conclude that none of us have any clue if the 810 is better than the 808 or vice versa. The only thing i know is the invite system blows!

 

[bunique4life05]

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By my standards (of course) the M9 and OPT are both bottom feeder devices by 2015 standards. That's not commentary on specs, or processors, it is a comment on the devices as a whole.

My reason for thinking that they rather suck is based on their inability to keep up with the competition when the competition is pushing better design, better software, new features and showing an investment in the ecosystem. IMO, HTC and OnePlus both phones it in for 2015. Using the 810 could be a symptom of that, as it is great on paper, but there are much better devices that clearly opted for an alternative for one reason or another.

In fact, all of the better devices opted for something else except maybe this rumored nexus. Now I don't know what that reason is and they're not going to tell us, but the fact remains that the leading devices use something else and we do know that they do well with those alternative options. And while they do well with other processors, we still don't have a good 2015 level flagship device that carries the 810. What we have are two or three phoned in devices that used specs as an excuse not to participate in evolution. Is it a good processor? Who knows?

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The whole issue with 810 is overheating. The reason companies are not going to the 810 is simply they don't wanted be associated with having device that had or still has a heating issue. All your cons with One Plus 2 and HTC M9 are not effected by 810 so as whole you can't based your argument cons that not related to 810 but put down the 810. With your last statement it's good processor who knows then how can you know that 808 are better if the verdict is still not out on 810. I am trying to understand your point in but simply being left with 808 is better based pros that are not related to the 808 and then 810 devices are bad because cons that are not related to 810. How is that fair or logical assessment?

 

[Aquila]

I haven't made an argument that the 808 or 810 is superior to the other two. I've said that we know the 808 is good because it does well in good phones and that the jury is still out on the 810 because there aren't any top notch devices running the 810 that we can compare to the current leaders. It's like trying to introduce mediatek or Intel's newest chips to the conversation. On paper they look awesome, but they're not in any top of the line devices, so real world performance in the same context of the leaders is a mystery. Or like asking if a horse (808) is faster than a unicorn (810) - who knows? We can measure the speed of a horse, but there are no unicorns to compare to.

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[LeoRex]

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I know what AD is saying here... Right now, there aren't all that many devices on the market, at least the mass market, that have the 810. The only three higher profile ones are the G Flex 2, the M9 and the OnePlus2. And to be honest, none of those has really taken the world by storm. Is it the SoC's fault? Of course not, but it might be a contributing factor. Early testing with the 810 phones showed a rather heavy handed approach to throttle the processor down to avoid heating issues.... this was noticed with the G Flex 2 and M9. With the OP2, things were a bit better in that regard, presumably since OnePlus had a little bit more time than LG to figure things out. Looking at the time frames, LG must have been popping the 810's on the boards as they were rolling them to the loading dock.

Now, that isn't to say that they were dogs.... even the throttled back 810s were still pretty fast.. just not as fast as they should have been.

We still have yet to see the Z5 tested.... same goes for the Huawei Nexus. It may very well turn out that they figured out a way to avoid having to throttle the SoC as early or as harsh... we just don't know. But I think the situation with the 810 now is a lot less dire than it was back in February.... to the point where I don't think anyone should be writing off a new device that has it.

 

[Aquila]

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I know what AD is saying here... Right now, there aren't all that many devices on the market, at least the mass market, that have the 810. The only three higher profile ones are the G Flex 2, the M9 and the OnePlus2. And to be honest, none of those has really taken the world by storm. Is it the SoC's fault? Of course not, but it might be a contributing factor. Early testing with the 810 phones showed a rather heavy handed approach to throttle the processor down to avoid heating issues.... this was noticed with the G Flex 2 and M9. With the OP2, things were a bit better in that regard, presumably since OnePlus had a little bit more time than LG to figure things out. Looking at the time frames, LG must have been popping the 810's on the boards as they were rolling them to the loading dock.

Now, that isn't to say that they were dogs.... even the throttled back 810s were still pretty fast.. just not as fast as they should have been.

We still have yet to see the Z5 tested.... same goes for the Huawei Nexus. It may very well turn out that they figured out a way to avoid having to throttle the SoC as early or as harsh... we just don't know. But I think the situation with the 810 now is a lot less dire than it was back in February.... to the point where I don't think anyone should be writing off a new device that has it.

Right, I'm saying I know the 808 is good but we don't have a way of knowing if the same device with an 810 would be better, the same, or worse. Given that, I'd prefer the known quantity.

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[bunique4life05]

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I'm not sure I get your point, it's kinda all over place and you seem to be backpedaling. the initial discussion was simply about the processors, and now you're bringing up overall package.

we're trying to take the M9 and OP2 vs the G4 and Pure and compare them based on processor. I've had experience with none of them, so I won't comment. I've read the same comments/reviews as everyone else, and the G4 has had consistent lag complaints, the Pure has been reported as quick and snappy, the OP2 who knows, most people list interest cause of the invite system, and the M9, as far as I know, has had no issues with the processor.

That's all I know, and I think it's fair to conclude that none of us have any clue if the 810 is better than the 808 or vice versa. The only thing i know is the invite system blows!

 

[getbretweir]

I haven't made an argument that the 808 or 810 is superior to the other two. I've said that we know the 808 is good because it does well in good phones and that the jury is still out on the 810 because there aren't any top notch devices running the 810 that we can compare to the current leaders. It's like trying to introduce mediatek or Intel's newest chips to the conversation. On paper they look awesome, but they're not in any top of the line devices, so real world performance in the same context of the leaders is a mystery. Or like asking if a horse (808) is faster than a unicorn (810) - who knows? We can measure the speed of a horse, but there are no unicorns to compare to.

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why can we compare the Pure and G4, but not the OP2 and M9 (not being a smarta$$ really wondering)

 

[Aquila]

why can we compare the Pure and G4, but not the OP2 and M9 (not being a smarta$$ really wondering)

Oh we can compare their performance to each other, I just do not consider them to be at the same level so it's a very oranges to avocados comparison.

 

[bunique4life05]

Re: Hauwei Nexus DEAL BREAKER!!

Right, I'm saying I know the 808 is good but we don't have a way of knowing if the same device with an 810 would be better, the same, or worse. Given that, I'd prefer the known quantity.

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I think we're are running in circles. Thus you believe best know devices have a 808. The devices are "better package" because compared to devices that have 810 they are lacking in the rest theirs package.
You don't know which chip between to too but right now the 808 devices are better package.

I believe that can be argued that M9 and OP2 are good packages with the 810. I do believe their some merit to what you saying after you clarified your op. Though the M9 and OP2 not being a know good 810 device is more individual's preference then a general consensus. (referring back to your we know comment)

It's hard to judge solely the 810 devices as package and blame for 810 devices are bad because lacking in other areas. The reasons for 810 ten devices lacking could be completely separated from having 810 as the know good packages are better regardless of having 808. Which makes it hard for me to read your original "808 v 810" comment confusing.

 

[getbretweir]

Oh we can compare their performance to each other, I just do not consider them to be at the same level so it's a very oranges to avocados comparison.

OK, I think I'm getting your point then. I don't necessarily agree, but no biggie there! place would be kinda boring if we all shared the same opinion.