I got the latest update for camera and and I am officially not satisfied

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

Because they are praying an update will somehow fix the camera ? Look your right. I do not own either device. Correct. But its evident that tons of people are not happy with this device. Maybe they are returning it? How do you know people are not returning it?

Almost all reviewers recommend the plus version over the ultra. It clearly impresses more people then the Ultra does. I have not heard one single person say the Ultra is worth the extra money and that the camera lived up to expectations.

Iam not saying its a bad phone but its clearly over priced and Samsung mislead everyone with the marketing!

Genuine question. If someone is considering buying the plus or the ultra and the camera is just as good if not more reliable on the plus then on the ultra! What reasons would you give them to drop the extra cash on the ultra?

It's not any more over priced then the note 10 or S10 of you compare the right models, the 5G models.

 

[smooches680]

Awesome. What case is that? I'm liking it!

Just got my camera update and I couldn't be more impressed...

 

[donm527]

Compare "base" model the Note 10+ 5G still came in cheaper at $1299. "Base" 20 Ultra is $1399. I get it, 512gb would be the same and need to compare that... For me I don't need 512gb so if they offered a cheaper version with 128gb I'll go for that.

Honestly. I feel you're not comparing the right models either... "Base" Note 10+ listed at $1099. If you want to be more fair I guess and compare to 512gb model then the price was $1199... $200-$300 cheaper than the "base" S20 Ultra.

I guess you want to argue it's not the same because the S20 have 5G and should compare with the 5G models... but Samsung is making 5G standard... forcing it on you whether you like it or not... so it's their "base" chip. But with the Note 10+, 5G was an upgrade... and they still made entry price cheaper with the 128gb model.

But for sake of argument, we compare $1399 Note 10+ 5G to the $1399 S20 Ultra. And this my view on this only why the $1399 price worked on the Note 10+ 5G and not the S20 Ultra...

The $1299/$1399 Note+ 5G worked because...

The 5G was an upgrade to the base Note 10+... you were paying for something limited and special over the standard Note 10+. It was as special as them offering a ceramic model phone. The S10 5G was also an upgrade... you were paying extra to be one of the few with a 5G phone at the time.

Also it lived up to it's price point because besides giving you 5G which you don't get in the lower model, you got the best panel available at the time (S20 Ultra did have that before the OnePlus 8 news but it still got it), and it had DXOMarks best smartphone camera.

AND... you have the S-Pen which is already unique from the regular S line. The S20 Ultra doesn't even have the pen but they retail it at the very top of the Note+ price??

$1400 for the S20 Ultra... I think about what I just wrote and see what the Note+ 5G gave you and lived up to... and then the S20... The Ultra was priced for perfection... hyped for perfection... and really just fell short of it and just doesn't seem to deserve the price point. For them to advertise $1400... is like declaring we have the best phone out available... and it's just not the case. I feel the S20+ is the better phone for value.

Makes me shutter to think how much the Note 20 is going to cost now. sheesh.

It's not any more over priced then the note 10 or S10 of you compare the right models, the 5G models.

 

[donm527]

And if you didn't want the 5G variant, you could get a Note 10+ with the best panel in a smartphone and the best camera in a smartphone AND an S-Pen... for $1099 giving buyers a better entry point. In todays market (Funny todays market is only 6 months after the Note 10 release), $1099/$1199 is now a bargain for a phone with that type of spec sheet.

 

[MoreDef]

Awesome. What case is that? I'm liking it!

Thanks! It's the Google branded fabric case. The phone color is "not pink", so I matched it with the pink/coral case.

 

[MoreDef]

I think that all this talk of cost, invariably going towards the idea of getting more for your money, is inherently a flawed direction when talking about technology. Technology, by it's nature, tries to introduce us to new things, ideas and capabilities, and these new things come at a premium. Down the line, everything becomes more affordable because of the steep growth and innovation associated with tech, but until then, for that 1 year when it's new and shiny, almost all tech commands premium prices. Whether or not people adopt it is one thing, but sometimes, the purpose is strictly to introduce something new and give it an initial value. Only time will tell if company x has associated the right value with their product. We have the luxury of now saying the Note 10+ is a good deal compared to the 20U, but when the 10+ was released, there were A TON of videos about why people should stick to their Note 9's. So now, why is the Note 10+ such a great value all of a sudden, when this time last year, it was being criticized for not having all the features that the N9 had? Now, the U20 doesn't have the features of the phone that didn't have the features of the phone before it and because of that it's a failure? I don't think so. Ive actually owned the 20U since release, so I'm speaking not from a feeling, but from literal experience. The phone is great. It's not perfect, but nothing is. Older things might seem better, but that's hindsight being 20/20 and foresight in the realm of tech is rarely anything but cloudy.

 

[MoreDef]

Disclaimer. I am NOT a photographer. Not even close. Which may be the reason I gravitate towards the Pixel when it comes to photography. It makes the process so accessible, like being able to take my Honda Civic and participate in the Grand Prix. Pixel 3XL astrophotography (1st pic) vs 20U Pro Mode (2nd pic). Both have their pros and cons with both the picture and the process of creating them.

 

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

Compare "base" model the Note 10+ 5G still came in cheaper at $1299. "Base" 20 Ultra is $1399. I get it, 512gb would be the same and need to compare that... For me I don't need 512gb so if they offered a cheaper version with 128gb I'll go for that.

Honestly. I feel you're not comparing the right models either... "Base" Note 10+ listed at $1099. If you want to be more fair I guess and compare to 512gb model then the price was $1199... $200-$300 cheaper than the "base" S20 Ultra.

I guess you want to argue it's not the same because the S20 have 5G and should compare with the 5G models... but Samsung is making 5G standard... forcing it on you whether you like it or not... so it's their "base" chip. But with the Note 10+, 5G was an upgrade... and they still made entry price cheaper with the 128gb model.
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Look we can go back and forth all day on if the ultra was worth the cost, end of the day it's a personal choice. Samsung offers 3 choices, get the one that you feel fits your needs and price point. I use both S series and note series, the S pen never made the note series much more expensive, and the S pen only has value if you use it. If you don't use it then $1 more is wasted money for the S pen feature for that person. My point was most people aren't comparing the 5G version prices of the other 2 to the S20 line, which isn't fair as 5G is only option for the S20 series. Yes, the S20U was more expensive then the other 2, but also has more features, bigger battery, bigger screen, more camera options, 120 refresh rate, the list goes on. I know the camera is not everyone's cup of tea, but there are lots that have no issues with it, me being one of them. Any electronic device that offers more options always costs more, that's just the way it is. When phone manufacturers get to the price point the phones don't sell, they will probably start scaling back on options. I personally think we are about there, might be there now.

Now, as for Samsung forcing 5G on everyone, from what I've read, I've enclosed a screenshot below, it was Qualcomm that did that. We all wanted the faster processor, everyone complained that they didn't wait and add that to the note 10. Samsung gave it to us, having 5G was the price tag. I can only imagine what would have been said on the forums if Samsung used the same processor as the note line when the 865 was out. Maybe they should have offered 4G on the S20 line somewhere, but sales probably would have been low as everyone would have wanted the faster processor.

Anyway, not every phone is for you or I. The note 9 was my last let down for Samsung phones, I just couldn't get into that phone, I wasn't impressed with the display, but that was me, there are several that would disagree with me.

 

[MoreDef]

Anyway, not every phone is for you or I. The note 9 was my last let down for Samsung phones, I just couldn't get into that phone, I wasn't impressed with the display, but that was me, there are several that would disagree with me.

I loved my Note 9, which only proves your point...we can like what we want. It's just that some people think so highly of their own opinions that they think every one should have them.

 

[donm527]

No argument there. The discussion is that, in the Ultra's case, the phone doesn't live up to it's $1400 price point. Not even saying it's a bad phone... have you seen any site reviews or video reviews say that it's a bad phone?? No, for the most part everyone is in agreement. But look at all those articles and videos and I would say that the majority of them tell ya... it's a good phone but not $1400 good.

I'm glad you enjoy your phone and trucks is enjoying his phone... I'm guessing neither of you paid full retail so if it's worth the amount you paid that's cool. I'm just talking retail $1400.... does it win for $1400?? Just my opinion no.

As far as your comment about people criticizing the Note 10+ and saying stick with the Note 9... well, yeah!!... If you had a Note 9, was it really worth it to upgrade to the 10?? No. If you have a Note 10+, is it worth it to upgrade to a S20 Ultra?? A six month old phone that still kicks ***?? No. That's always the argument that we have every year and honestly last few gen phones, it's not a huge leap from year to year and the real answer is that it's probably not worth the jump. Two year old phone comparo?? Maybe but even then... but many here are phone lovers so they jump and that's cool... but I bet most would say it usually isn't necessary.

I think that all this talk of cost, invariably going towards the idea of getting more for your money, is inherently a flawed direction when talking about technology. Technology, by it's nature, tries to introduce us to new things, ideas and capabilities, and these new things come at a premium. Down the line, everything becomes more affordable because of the steep growth and innovation associated with tech, but until then, for that 1 year when it's new and shiny, almost all tech commands premium prices. Whether or not people adopt it is one thing, but sometimes, the purpose is strictly to introduce something new and give it an initial value. Only time will tell if company x has associated the right value with their product. We have the luxury of now saying the Note 10+ is a good deal compared to the 20U, but when the 10+ was released, there were A TON of videos about why people should stick to their Note 9's. So now, why is the Note 10+ such a great value all of a sudden, when this time last year, it was being criticized for not having all the features that the N9 had? Now, the U20 doesn't have the features of the phone that didn't have the features of the phone before it and because of that it's a failure? I don't think so. Ive actually owned the 20U since release, so I'm speaking not from a feeling, but from literal experience. The phone is great. It's not perfect, but nothing is. Older things might seem better, but that's hindsight being 20/20 and foresight in the realm of tech is rarely anything but cloudy.

 

[donm527]

I don't think highly of my opinion. I just have my opinion and willing to give it, listen to others and discuss it. You have your opinoin. Trucks has his and I respect it. And people seem to be willing to reply and add their two cents and go back and forth and ok with it. This is a discussion board right?

I loved my Note 9, which only proves your point...we can like what we want. It's just that some people think so highly of their own opinions that they think every one should have them.

 

[donm527]

No one is really discussing the other S20 variants I believe because, even though reviewers have commented with the S20 and the S20+ that the $1099 and $1199 price is higher than ever in the S series lineup, they grugingly accept it as the coming trend and able to accept the price on those variants... yes Qualcomm 5G is adding to the cost... but you are getting the highest spec'd phones out there... nothing really left on the table for $1099 and $1099.

The S20 Ultra, the only argument is that it didn't live up to the $200/$300 premium of the younger siblings. You say bigger screen and bigger battery, but you're not getting a huge advantage over the bigger battery because you know you have to use more power for the bigger panel. But regardless a bigger battery and panel is not $200 more... you can see that in price difference in the S10 and S10+. So the only difference besides screen and battery... camera. All other specs like 120hz refresh is pretty much the same.

Droid life clip you referenced... last weeks Droid Life video blog I referenced... said the same thing... good phones... just the cameras. They said if they knocked it out of the park with cameras they could recommend it whole heartedly (paraphrasing). That's the only arguement I'm making too... and only about the $1400 retail. I'm guessing you didn't pay $1400 and bet you wouldn't.

My point was most people aren't comparing the 5G version prices of the other 2 to the S20 line, which isn't fair as 5G is only option for the S20 series. Yes, the S20U was more expensive then the other 2, but also has more features, bigger battery, bigger screen, more camera options, 120 refresh rate, the list goes on. I know the camera is not everyone's cup of tea, but there are lots that have no issues with it, me being one of them. Any electronic device that offers more options always costs more, that's just the way it is. When phone manufacturers get to the price point the phones don't sell, they will probably start scaling back on options. I personally think we are about there, might be there now.

 

[jtcannonball]

If I see reports of the issues that I couldn’t overlook being addressed and owners saying they like the results more often I’ll go back and buy another. But with the money it cost I just couldn’t justify it to myself at the moment. I love Sammy phones so I’m really wanting another in my collection. Lol

 

[dov1978]

you could get a Note 10+ with the the best camera in a smartphone

 

[donm527]

At the time...

https://www.dxomark.com/samsung-galaxy-note-10-5g-camera-review/

"The Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ 5G achieves the highest scores among devices tested so far for both of our new Wide and Night test categories, thereby increasing its Photo score by 8 points and pushing its DXOMARK Camera overall score to a record high 117 points, up from 113."

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[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

At the time...

https://www.dxomark.com/samsung-galaxy-note-10-5g-camera-review/

"The Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ 5G achieves the highest scores among devices tested so far for both of our new Wide and Night test categories, thereby increasing its Photo score by 8 points and pushing its DXOMARK Camera overall score to a record high 117 points, up from 113."

Look, you obviously like the note 10, just stay with it. Nobody is telling you that you have to get the S20. There's some of us like the phone, gets old hearing from you that you don't like it. Let us be and let us enjoy what we have.. What's of value to us is different then you. I think you are in the wrong forum.

 

[donm527]

Hey, I am just like anyone else that came here interested in the S20 line and ready to buy. Excited before launch... and by release and seeing the reviews starting with MKBHD and even Android Central it's gotten meh about it. So I'm just idling by waiting for the Note 20 and watching what develops with the S20.

I'm still in the market dude. Still rocking my Note 8 and if I find a phone before that then probably wont be around as much. Was the same when the Note 9 came out and 10, etc. It's what you do when you are interested in a phone dude.

If my phone died today and had to buy... S20+ that same day bro, Just hope it doesn't die today lol,

Edit... Actually if I think about it, Verizon is still selling the Note 10+ for $949.. so maybe $450-500 corp pricing... that would be a bargain and hold me and if I like the Note 20 I can easily sell it for even?

Enjoy what you have. Not stopping ya. But I don't think I'm doing anything out of the ordinary. I remember you're name... probably back in the Note 8, 9, 10, S9, S10 sections. Nothing different.

You could be a little sensitive I guess to the issue. You have a great phone. No argument. It's got camera issues... hello 4 updates since launch?? So what's the problem in discussing it? If it bothers you, plenty of other threads you can post on and really you don't need to post stuff like this and draw out a wasted back and forth like this. ]

But you don't have any more right to be here than I do. Good day.

Look, you obviously like the note 10, just stay with it. Nobody is telling you that you have to get the S20. There's some of us like the phone, gets old hearing from you that you don't like it. Let us be and let us enjoy what we have.. What's of value to us is different then you. I think you are in the wrong forum.

 

[mlblack16]

Did anyone get stuck paying the full price for their S20 U? I wasn't about to pay $1400 otherwise I just would have had to seek out other options. All told, I got $450 in discounts and trade-in credits for my old S9+. The difference on my monthly payment for this phone is less than $5/mo, so I'm perfectly happy with my purchase, considering hardware wise this thing is a beast compared to my 2 year old S9+. With yesterday's update, the camera is much improved (for me). If Samsung manages to get the final bugs out of the camera (starting to think this is possible) then I think the S20U will go from great to awesome.

 

[MoreDef]

I don't think highly of my opinion. I just have my opinion and willing to give it, listen to others and discuss it. You have your opinoin. Trucks has his and I respect it. And people seem to be willing to reply and add their two cents and go back and forth and ok with it. This is a discussion board right?

Yeah, but at some point, having an opinion about a device you actually don't own disqualifies you from insisting on one thing being better than the other. If I grew up watching LeBron James, and had never seen Michael Jordan play, would my opinion be just as informed as someone who watched both, in their time, and not just through YouTube? No, it wouldn't. You're right, you can discuss and you can impart your belief the people wasted their money on a device that doesn't meet your expectations...but the thing is, the people you're debating with actually bought the device, use it every day, and are more privy to the actual performance of the device relative to their expectations after shelling out the cash. By all means, discuss, share, but at some point, you're debating feeling versus experience, and one is definitely more valuable over the other...especially when people use this forum to decide whether they should purchase a device. As a person who uses this forum to decide on future purchases, I've found the most helpful posts (Mustang, Mike dee) have come from experience, versus being a disappointed fan who wished that the device they didn't purchase performed better than what YouTube says it did.

 

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

Hey, I am just like anyone else that came here interested in the S20 line and ready to buy. Excited before launch... and by release and seeing the reviews starting with MKBHD and even Android Central it's gotten meh about it. So I'm just idling by waiting for the Note 20 and watching what develops with the S20.

I'm still in the market dude. Still rocking my Note 8 and if I find a phone before that then probably wont be around as much. Was the same when the Note 9 came out and 10, etc. It's what you do when you are interested in a phone dude.

If my phone died today and had to buy... S20+ that same day bro, Just hope it doesn't die today lol,

Edit... Actually if I think about it, Verizon is still selling the Note 10+ for $949.. so maybe $450-500 corp pricing... that would be a bargain and hold me and if I like the Note 20 I can easily sell it for even?

Enjoy what you have. Not stopping ya. But I don't think I'm doing anything out of the ordinary. I remember you're name... probably back in the Note 8, 9, 10, S9, S10 sections. Nothing different.

You could be a little sensitive I guess to the issue. You have a great phone. No argument. It's got camera issues... hello 4 updates since launch?? So what's the problem in discussing it? If it bothers you, plenty of other threads you can post on and really you don't need to post stuff like this and draw out a wasted back and forth like this. ]

But you don't have any more right to be here than I do. Good day.

Have you gotten one and tried it for the worry free period? Or you just going by reviews?

As I said, sounds like you made your decision, time to move along, the ultra isn't for you