I'm calling it

Where does this come from? I've had Blackberry devices on Verizon along with an HTC Incredible, HTC Incredible 2, HTC Thunderbolt, Droid Bionic and Droid RAZR MAXX and all have had regular updates and many of them had multiple updates by this time after their release.

Are you sure this is a Verizon issue and not a manufacture issue as the updates seem to come quickest from Motorola on the devices I've owned.

I had 3 android phones to
HTC Incredible
Motorola DX
Samsung Galaxy Nexus
I have yet had a android phone that received a timely official Vzw released OS update.
That being said the one thing all these phones have in common is the carrier, that being vzw.
That's one of the reasons I rooted all of the devices I owned. Actually wasnt the major reason except for the DX. I just like being in control of my phones :)
Have I not rooted the DX it would have been target practice for sure lol


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Obviously there not pushing the update so every one would buy the razr or the Maxx they don't care about the nexus they made there money off it already then they released 2 different razrs why would they want a up to date phone on there network then no one would buy there new Droid phones when they come out claiming to be better then every other phone on there network

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I've had only 3 smartphone devices, one of which, the DINC, I would not characterize as receiving "quick updates"--at least quick "major" updates. It updated to Gingerbread when, last summer, June or July? That's simply unacceptable IMO, but then again, I was merely an observer in that update battle b/c of my obvious device usage.

You need the whole story to put this in perspective. The DINC was released with Andorid 2.1 in april 2010. Only four months later it got the new Android 2.2 (Froyo) in Aug 2010 with 2.2 maint releases after that. A year later it got it's THIRD version of the Android OS 2.3 (Gingerbread) which was in September 2011. So this phone had 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 in a bit over a year and you're saying that is slow?

Any bets we don't have three major versions of Android on our GN in the same time frame?
 
You need the whole story to put this in perspective. The DINC was released with Andorid 2.1 in april 2010. Only four months later it got the new Android 2.2 (Froyo) in Aug 2010 with 2.2 maint releases after that. A year later it got it's THIRD version of the Android OS 2.3 (Gingerbread) which was in September 2011. So this phone had 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 in a bit over a year and you're saying that is slow?

Any bets we don't have three major versions of Android on our GN in the same time frame?

For going from Froyo to Gingerbread, yes.

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For going from Froyo to Gingerbread, yes.

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I guess that is where a lot of us differ and why there are those people saying there are no issues with this/their phone when there clearly are issues that need addressed. I would much rather have a working version of the OS with frequent MAINTENANCE releases to fix any issues then have quick major version updates that introduce problems that I have to live with.

My phone isn't a toy or hobby but a tool I use to make a living so new features and such are not as important to me as a working device.
 
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I guess that is where a lot of us differ and why there are those people saying there are no issues with this/their phone when there clearly are issues that need addressed.

I say there are no problems with my phone because...there are no problems with my phone.

I'm not saying you don't have problems...I'm saying that myself, and plenty of other people out there, don't have problems.

I also say that I doubt an OTA is going to fix said problems. I hope it does for the sake of the people having issues, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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So far my issues I have traced back to an App called HD widgets. The reboots that I have had issues with was using their 1X1 bluetooth icon to turn on and off bluetooth. Also just having their Widget on my home screen was causing a large battery drain. In standby my new phone was getting about 9 hours and in full on use I'd get about 4. Once removed I haven't done an all day Netflix stream on it yet but last night I lost 15% batter in 12 hours. This was with Wi-Fi on and just sitting on my desk with full sync settings on.

Not too bad at all. This is also with 4.0.2 I'm waiting till June to see if VZW gets their act together. If not I'll be doing the manual update.
 
I say there are no problems with my phone because...there are no problems with my phone.

I'm not saying you don't have problems...I'm saying that myself, and plenty of other people out there, don't have problems.

I also say that I doubt an OTA is going to fix said problems. I hope it does for the sake of the people having issues, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Well, I think there are many (not saying you're one of them) that don't use/need a phone for anything important and may not perceive the device acting up as an "issue". Also, I think a lot of the people (again, not necessarily you) are young and this is more of a hobby and they will go to all lengths to defend their purchase because they know they are stuck with it (probably for financial reasons) and they enjoy tinkering with the device.

I know this is true because there are two Galaxy Nexus devices in my household. Mine and my son has one also. His phone has the same "issues" as mine, that are talked about ALL THE TIME in this forum, but since all he does is text and listen to downloaded music on his phone he doesn't perceive these things as "issues" like I do. I find it funny that he has no issues with his phone but is always asking me "dad, do you have a data connection" or "dad, does Pandora cut out on you all the time?", etc.

So far my issues I have traced back to an App called HD widgets. The reboots that I have had issues with was using their 1X1 bluetooth icon to turn on and off bluetooth. Also just having their Widget on my home screen was causing a large battery drain. In standby my new phone was getting about 9 hours and in full on use I'd get about 4. Once removed I haven't done an all day Netflix stream on it yet but last night I lost 15% batter in 12 hours. This was with Wi-Fi on and just sitting on my desk with full sync settings on.

Not too bad at all. This is also with 4.0.2 I'm waiting till June to see if VZW gets their act together. If not I'll be doing the manual update.

If all your issues were caused by HD Widgets and you've removed that app why do you feel the need to do the "manual update" in June if Verizon doesn't get their act together? Obviously there are some other issues with the phone that concern you that have you waiting for the update like the rest of us.
 
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I guess that is where a lot of us differ and why there are those people saying there are no issues with this/their phone when there clearly are issues that need addressed. I would much rather have a working version of the OS with frequent MAINTENANCE releases to fix any issues then have quick major version updates that introduce problems that I have to live with.

My phone isn't a toy or hobby but a tool I use to make a living so new features and such are not as important to me as a working device.

And that's fine, that's your use and for that use this phone fails. For my use, it doesn't. This is a record that has been spun countless times here.

The Froyo to Gingerbread update was a much bigger and more important update than 4.0.2 to 4.0.4 (not saying the latter isn't important, it's just not on the same scale as an actual, major OS change). For a phone (1) without LTE concerns, (2) with hardware that was more than capable of running it, and (3) that was touted as one of the better/top Android devices, to not get the latest OS that debuted not months after its (the DINC's) release is truly mind boggling. I appreciate your timeline and the maintenance updates, but that doesn't mean that it not getting Gingerbread was a huge let down, and I remember the atmosphere surrounding it's constant GB delay fondly.

Well, I think there are many (not saying you're one of them) that don't use/need a phone for anything important and may not perceive the device acting up as an "issue". Also, I think a lot of the people (again, not necessarily you) are young and this is more of a hobby and they will go to all lengths to defend their purchase because they know they are stuck with it (probably for financial reasons) and they enjoy tinkering with the device.

I know this is true because there are two Galaxy Nexus devices in my household. Mine and my son has one also. His phone has the same "issues" as mine, that are talked about ALL THE TIME in this forum, but since all he does is text and listen to downloaded music on his phone he doesn't perceive these things as "issues" like I do. I find it funny that he has no issues with his phone but is always asking me "dad, do you have a data connection" or "dad, does Pandora cut out on you all the time?", etc.


If all your issues were caused by HD Widgets and you've removed that app why do you feel the need to do the "manual update" in June if Verizon doesn't get their act together? Obviously there are some other issues with the phone that concern you that have you waiting for the update like the rest of us.

First bolded segment - I use this phone for plenty of activities that would be deemed "important." I've used it for client phone calls, phone interviews (numerous), phone conferences (numerous), important emails, etc. It has issues, no doubt, but that generalization is just that--a generalization that undermines the actual, real life experience that other users have had with this phone. Again, just to reiterate, it has issues--I admit that pretty much wherever I go, including my Don't Panic guide.

Second bolded segment - I don't doubt that many are young (I'm 25), I don't doubt that many choose this as a hobby (I do), nor do I doubt that some don't want to break a contract or pay off-contract prices for phones, particularly at this point, that aren't clear "upgrades"--but implying that any of those factors has a major role in why some, like myself, clearly champion this phone, is a general assumption, and an incorrect one at that. Of course, being so general, you could deflect it and say you didn't mean it to this person or that person. But alas.

I defend my purchase because for what I like about it, there's no peer. I can pay off contract prices--I'm not broke by any stretch of the means (I don't know about others, but it's an irrelevant factor regardless). I'm young, but I'm not stupid. Instead of generalizing about those who have posted about their positive experiences with this phone, you should come to where a lot of us are located--the development/rom/flashing subforum--and hangout. Find out why we defend this phone, who we are, what we're like. You don't like your phone, and that's nothing to be ashamed of and no one should treat that lightly. I do like my phone, and plenty of us here do as well, and just like your opinion should not be demeaned by any pointless criteria like age or financial ability, neither should ours.
 
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If all your issues were caused by HD Widgets and you've removed that app why do you feel the need to do the "manual update" in June if Verizon doesn't get their act together? Obviously there are some other issues with the phone that concern you that have you waiting for the update like the rest of us.

Actually no not really. Just because I am not experiencing any issues doesn't mean I don't like to have the latest and greatest. I have 4.0.4 on my Xoom. I work in a very public setting and my devices is always exposed to public networks with other peoples equipment attached to them. All my computers are patched and updated with all the latest patches. I see no reason to have my phone not have the latest as well.

All and all just because nothing is currently an issue now, does not mean it could not be better.
 
My phone isn't a toy or hobby but a tool I use to make a living so new features and such are not as important to me as a working device.

I guess you shouldn't have gotten a Nexus, huh? Look at the track record of every Nexus. Now couple that with the fact that VZW is notoriously slow for maintenance updates and you have a phone which you are on own with. All I'm saying is that i saw this coming. I KNEW this as i was buying the phone. If you knew you weren't going to unlock/root the phone, that's taking a risk don't you think? Again, I just don't feel bad for people such as yourself that bought the wrong phone for their needs/tastes. You would have been better off with a skinned/locked down Android or a Blackberry.


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I guess that is where a lot of us differ and why there are those people saying there are no issues with this/their phone when there clearly are issues that need addressed. I would much rather have a working version of the OS with frequent MAINTENANCE releases to fix any issues then have quick major version updates that introduce problems that I have to live with.

My phone isn't a toy or hobby but a tool I use to make a living so new features and such are not as important to me as a working device.

Not everyone is experiencing the same problems.
My Nexus is my only phone. Even my soft phone from my work laptop is transferred to my Nexus.
I have never dropped a call and I'm on the phone for conference and tech support calls, sometimes for hours.
My signal is fine, the only data loss I've ever had is when Verizon has an outage.
I never experienced the wifi boot loops either.

Not all of the devices are plagued by the issues you and others have.
You can't say those of us that are not having issues are ignoring them.
That's just as bad as when some without issues say that those having issues are exaggerating.
 
Not everyone is experiencing the same problems.
My Nexus is my only phone. Even my soft phone from my work laptop is transferred to my Nexus.
I have never dropped a call and I'm on the phone for conference and tech support calls, sometimes for hours.
My signal is fine, the only data loss I've ever had is when Verizon has an outage.
I never experienced the wifi boot loops either.

Not all of the devices are plagued by the issues you and others have.
You can't say those of us that are not having issues are ignoring them.
That's just as bad as when some without issues say that those having issues are exaggerating.

Exactly, my phone was fine. I bought mine on day one. The only issue I ever had was when I drove to my mothers house it would transition back to 3G but I would lose data for about a minute while it transitioned back to 3G which sucked. My moms area is 4G now and I have the 4.0.4 update so I don't know if that was fixed in it because everywhere I travel now is 4G. Other than that never had random reboot, never had a drop called and coming from a thunderbolt battery life was what I expected.
 
Well, I think there are many (not saying you're one of them) that don't use/need a phone for anything important and may not perceive the device acting up as an "issue". Also, I think a lot of the people (again, not necessarily you) are young and this is more of a hobby and they will go to all lengths to defend their purchase because they know they are stuck with it (probably for financial reasons) and they enjoy tinkering with the device.

I know this is true because there are two Galaxy Nexus devices in my household. Mine and my son has one also. His phone has the same "issues" as mine, that are talked about ALL THE TIME in this forum, but since all he does is text and listen to downloaded music on his phone he doesn't perceive these things as "issues" like I do. I find it funny that he has no issues with his phone but is always asking me "dad, do you have a data connection" or "dad, does Pandora cut out on you all the time?", etc.

I can assure you, I use my phone for EVERYTHING I do...phone, txt, email, navigation, as well as all the fun stuff like games, FB, YouTube...etc

I am also not young (34). I have a good job and could afford to go get a new phone if needed or desired.

I have two Nexus devices in my household as well...both perform beautifully. In fact, my wife had the RAZR and got rid of it in favor of the Nexus after playing with mine for a while.

As I said, I don't doubt that some people have problems, but not everyone does, and to generalize and say all the devices are flawed and people are just blindly defending it or just ignoring the problems is just ignorant.


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I'm another June person, giving them more than ample time. My cut off date is 06/08.

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Obviously there not pushing the update so every one would buy the razr or the Maxx they don't care about the nexus they made there money off it already then they released 2 different razrs why would they want a up to date phone on there network then no one would buy there new Droid phones when they come out claiming to be better then every other phone on there network

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If the above analogy were true, than the Maxx would be receiving updates such as the update to ICS
 
And either way they won't update it tell a new Droid comes out an sells then after every one has the new Droid they will update the razr/maxx

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I guess that is where a lot of us differ and why there are those people saying there are no issues with this/their phone when there clearly are issues that need addressed. I would much rather have a working version of the OS with frequent MAINTENANCE releases to fix any issues then have quick major version updates that introduce problems that I have to live with.

My phone isn't a toy or hobby but a tool I use to make a living so new features and such are not as important to me as a working device.

Some of us do not have problems with our GNex's. I use mine all the time for work and personal. I use it in a variety of locations as well since I'm on the road daily for my job.

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How sure are you that we're not staring down the barrel of the Razr getting ICS and being on a higher version than Verizons Nexus? If that happened, would you consider the delay as potentially deliberate?

No, I wouldn't. I'm also not as invested in seeing the phone updated as you are. I also do not see conspiracies around every corner.



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I tend to blame Verizon. The phone really should work right out the gate, but, more importantly, especially where it does not work 100% out the gate, Verizon should not market this to non-enthusiasts. In this phone's current state, it should be sold as an enthusiast device for those who are willing to tweak it. The average Joe is not up for the work, even if we, or they, see it as easy, they do not want to have to tweak it for every day use. It is an incredible phone to those of us who love to play, but not to the average user... In my opinion...

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