[Instruction] How to get a new phone and keep (legacy) Unlimited Data on Verizon

Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

Relax I’ll “put my money where my mouth is” when the phone I want comes out. We get it you’re trying to prove your point. You don’t have to be so combative in doing so. You seem more hard pressed to disprove me when in fact there isn’t evidence to substantiate anything you are saying. I’m basing my thoughts through verizons website and a chat I had with a verizon rep and you are basing yours word to mouth. So as with most nonsense that I read on the internet I’ll take your points into consideration as much as I do with others, with a grain of salt.
 
Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

Losing my UDP is a very serious concern for me as well. This we can agree on. And I’m one to admit when I’m wrong but there is no basis for me to do so to this point nor your incesive behavior for me to do so. I did read your post and in correlation to my thoughts on transfers your claims would both mean we’re repeating nonsense. You have your reasons and I have mine. You disagree with my reasoning as I am skeptical with yours. You come across as if you know for a fact that transfers no longer work as they once did but you’re all speculation and according to you, just as much as I am. If you know for a fact that transfers are different then prove it and I’ll stand corrected.

And now you want to take personal shots through your cynicism (Post a screen shot, please. Let me guess, you forgot to take one; click and read and stop repeating nonsense). The chat I had with the rep was emailed but I’ll skip the retrieval and again repeat myself for you. They stated customers would be notified if there were changes to the transfer process. Still waiting for that notification but I’m not confident it will come. Oh and there it is again, money in mouth.
 
Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

Seems like all but the stupid gold S5 are unavailable to ship for Verizon at Best Buy, looks like they know about this or something?

I'm still afraid of the ETF at Amazon, but it sounds like as long as you don't touch your line and just swap the SIMs it doesn't apply.

I ordered the note 3 for $99 with shipping available this past sunday..

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Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

Actually there are a couple of folks in this and other threads that have had success recently, mine as recently as last week and this week, I have also posted my results with a GS5 and kept my UDP so far....

I got ya. I just haven't seen anyone specifically say they *ordered* after 8/24 AND received their phone and kept their UDP since 8/24

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Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

It’s one thing to state the truth but stretch it to make one sound wrong is not fair as you are doing. Taking a mole hill and making a mountain quoting everything I say to justify your stance on transfers, that is what we are talking about still right. As I go through the process of a transfer upgrade I’m simply stating what I see and after agreeing to the pop-up everything looks identical all the way to final screen- confirm the purchase. If you claim there are system changes so be it and I will be “swallowing it” as you say. I'm not trying to disprove your thoughts as to why the transfers have changed and it’s not opinion and a “chat rep” but it's what I’m seeing on my computer screen. If there are back end changes then we will not know until someone goes through with the purchase.
 
Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

I looked at it several times. I'm familiar with it.
 
Re: [Instruction] How to Keep Unlimited Data on Verizon

Let's keep things friendly. It is fine to discuss but do not resort to personal attacks or trolling.

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Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

Then you have seen the system changes. This is not speculation.

If it's the same one I am referring to then we must be interpreting it differently. And has also been explained differently from you as well.
 
Re: Methods that will allow you to both get a subsidized phone and keep UDP after 8/24/14

These are the reasons I believe that you will lose your UDP if you transfer your UDP line’s upgrade to another line and upgrade on that line:

1) Prior to the 25th many Verizon reps would tell you that you could in fact keep your UDP and upgrade if you transferred your UDP line’s upgrade to another line and upgraded on that other line – Now they all are saying that you will be kicked off of UDP if you do that b/c the UDP line will be required to have a $30/mo data plan for 2 years. And since UDP is only $29.99 you will be switched off of UDP.

2) Prior to the 25th many Best Buy reps not only would tell you that you would not lose your UDP if you transferred your UDP upgrade, they do it for you. Now Best Buy reps all say the same thing as the Verizon reps - that no longer works.

3) When trying to order a new smartphone using an upgrade you now get the Mandatory Disclosure pop-up, which you did not get prior to the 25th so something has clearly changed in the ordering process. The Mandatory Disclosure pop-up requires you to either agree to a 2yr minimum $30/mo data plan or switch to a More Everything plan. You must check the "I Agree" box to proceed any further in the check out process.

4) Best Buy reps now get that pop-up at Best Buy in-store, also.

5) When you transfer an upgrade it is the line from which the upgrade originated (i.e., the line you transferred the upgrade from - the donor line) that has its contract extended. This has always been true and is still true now. So it makes sense that what the Verizon and Best Buy reps are all saying is also true – that it is the donor line that will both have its contract extended and have the minimum $30/mo 2yr data plan requirement.

6) Prior to the 25th when transferring an upgrade you had to agree to a 2 year contract renewal but you were given no indication that it would be the donor line whose contract was extended during the check out process - you only could see that after you completed your order. So I don't see why it would be any different with the data plan requirement (i.e., they are not indicating to you which line will have the data plan commitment during the check out process).

7) This is just a common sense point but if Verizon wasn't trying to make the data requirement include UDP line transfers, why not just make the data requirement a minimum 2GB data plan? Prior to the 25th it was already true that you would lose your UDP if you upgraded directly on an UDP line and activated on that line (except for the Best Buy method). So they could have just said minimum 2GB data plan if they weren't trying to stop UDP line upgrade transfers. Instead they made it a minimum $30/mo data plan, which is obviously aimed at $29.99/mo UDPs, and unnecessary if it doesn't include UDP line upgrade transfers.


Consequently, I personally will not be doing transfers of upgrades any longer. I will not be trying the Flying Arrow method, either.

If anyone is willing to risk it, please take screen shots and let us know how it turns out. Thanks!

It's possible that you could transfer a UDP upgrade, buy from BB or another 3rd party retailer, not activate the new phone on the line you transferred the upgrade to but rather activate it directly on your UDP line using your old udp 4G LTE sim card (rather than the sim card the phone ships with). But that is just the best buy method with the unnecessary step of the transfer so I wouldn't bother with the transfer.




It still works and I will have proof soon enough


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Re: [Instruction] How to Keep Unlimited Data on Verizon

This is pointless lol. How about people come back when they have actual proof either way. Plus basing anything off what reps say is unreliable in every way and has been proven time and time again.


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Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

I don't know what you are talking about here but I have made my point abundantly clear.

Meaning (if we actually are talking about the same memo) is that it was explained differently then how you were describing it. That's all..
 
Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

I got a question, wondering if someone could help.

I have 2 unlimited lines and want to upgrade both of them using this best buy method. My only issue is one of the lines has a iphone 4 that doesnt have a sim card. My other unlimited line is a droid razr maxx hd. So I know the droid wont be a issue to upgrade but how do I do the iphone?
Thanks
 
Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

I got ya. I just haven't seen anyone specifically say they *ordered* after 8/24 AND received their phone and kept their UDP since 8/24

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Well, I ordered my wife's phone on 8-28 using the same method (Best Buy) and she should be getting it tomorrow or Thursday, everything seemed to remain the same, fingers crossed, oh and I was stuck ordering the copper/gold one also, Nothing a wireless charging back and case won't change
 
Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

I got a question, wondering if someone could help.

I have 2 unlimited lines and want to upgrade both of them using this best buy method. My only issue is one of the lines has a iphone 4 that doesnt have a sim card. My other unlimited line is a droid razr maxx hd. So I know the droid wont be a issue to upgrade but how do I do the iphone?
Thanks

Do you have any lte phone laying around? You can call up verizon saying you need a sim for that phone so you can use it on the line that has the iphone. And if they don't take the same size sim you can cut it down.


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Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

Do you have any lte phone laying around? You can call up verizon saying you need a sim for that phone so you can use it on the line that has the iphone. And if they don't take the same size sim you can cut it down.


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I dont have another lte phone around.
 
Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

Just do them one at time. Do the droid razr maxx line first, then when you have your new smartphone on that line, put the droid razr maxx on the iPhone line by calling verizon and ordering a sim card for it. Then upgrade on that line.

That makes sense, but will verizon ask any questions when i call regarding the new phone that i would have got to replace the droid?
 
Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

Don't even mention the other line. Simply say, I have a droid razr maxx I want to activate on my wife's line but she only has an iPhone 4 on the line so I need a sim card for it. They will tell you that you can go to a corporate store and get one for free, which you can, but you can say that is inconvenient for you given your work schedule and you would like one mailed and they will mail it to you.

Ok do the sims that you get from verizon come blank ? Another words could I order one now and have it so when the new phone comes in, I could swap my old sim from my droid into the new phone and then install the new sim that i ordered from verizon into the droid? Or would it be best to get the new phone first then order sim? Thanks
 
Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

I would get your new smartphone first, activate it on your line using your old sim card. Then get a new sim card for the droid razr max and activate it on your wife's line. Then order her a smartphone for her line.

Your old razr maxx sim card probably doesn't have an NFC chip in it unless you got a new sim card for it within the last year. If you didn't AFTER you are done activating your wife's new smartphone on her line, go here and order a new sim card for your new smartphone.

Thanks for the help , you have been very helpful!
 
Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

Looking for some advice if anyone could be so kind.

I'm currently on a family plan that consists of 3 lines, all due for upgrades. 2 lines are basic phones and 1 is a S3 with unlimited data(me). I'll be getting a new phone here soon and would love to use one these suggestions in this thread, but if one of the basic phone users decides they want an iphone will that put the unlimited data user part of the tiered data?

I pay about $55 a month after 20% discount for the ultd line and use about 4-5gbs data a month. I want to make sure if i jump through some hoops to get a new phone it's not all in vain when one of the basic phones goes to tiered data a few weeks later. I'm contemplating just giving up and going tiered data as i could use a little more wifi and between the two lines i couldn't see us using more than 6-7GBs of data, but i'm not sure what this would cost per the 3 users and don't want to find out once it's too late. I know this is hard to answer, but any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Dude. You're in. Just make one of the feature lines a tiered data line for your daughter. Then you can get continuously transfer upgrades to her line and be fine.

Keep your unlimited!

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Re: Verizon How to Both Get a Subsidized Phone and Keep Unlimited Data after 8/24/14

Yes I definitely think there's a connection. However I don't understand the need for these new policies. I have a friend who is a Verizon Network Performance Engineer, and I can assure you that they already have proper QoS policies and protections against malicious activity that's detrimental to the network (no I don't mean basic stuff like tethering or torrenting, either). They've had that for years.

In a business environment with ip phones on the network, you typically use tagged VLANs to separate voice traffic and give it a higher priority than anything else, then network management traffic, then video traffic, provided that's a necessary part of that office's work flow. Then you have normal data traffic on a lower priority VLAN. Basically, you look at which services will be most affected by latency and/or bandwidth restrictions and rank them in order of importance. Put each type of traffic in its own VLAN and prioritize accordingly. Alot of higher end switches have algorithms that will perform basic QoS like this without even needing to manually set up.

Actual throttling would only come into place when there's not enough bandwidth to support all the services running concurrently. You would limit bandwidth on the lower priority VLANs to ensure enough bandwidth for key services. QoS algorithms on the switches will do this automatically based on the policies you have set in response to heavy usage on a particular sector of the network.

You can also identify sectors of the network or individual nodes that are using an inordinate amount of bandwidth. Typical policy would be to identify what was using that much extra bandwidth, and determine whether it is normal for that device, or whether it needs to be temporarily isolated from the network until you can identify the cause. Typically its either an infection, or unauthorized activities, and those can be both be addressed and corrected. Depending on HR decisions, certain users may be given temporary or permanent bandwidth limitations.

If the office relies heavily on bandwidth to the WAN, and that's limited, you may have to set lasting bandwidth limitations on entire groups of users or segments of the network, but it's all done in the name of ensuring the best performance for all.

Verizon clearly states that their policies will continue to affect a given user for up to two months, that it is based on collective usage over a month, rather than actual load of their device on the network, and that it will only be applied to UDP users. This does not fit the model of proper QoS for the network, but rather seems designed specifically to lower the quality of the network experience for UDP users, to encourage them to either go with a tiered plan or cancel their contract with Verizon altogether.

It is this practice of abusing network QoS policies to extort users that the FCC takes exception to. Basically, if you feel the need to introduce stricter QoS policies because you're apparently experiencing difficulties maintaining bandwidth on your network, fine, do what ya need to do. Seems odd you'd wanna advertise that fact to everyone. But treating users differently in terms of QoS based solely on the business relationship they have with the carrier is against regulations on Block C spectrum. There are no speed tiers with wireless carriers (yet), only monthly usage, so there is no justification for them to break the agreement they had with the FCC when they first purchased Block C.
Where does it say two months? Their website says for duration of billing cycle. Did the terms change again or what am I missing?

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