[Instruction] How to get a new phone and keep (legacy) Unlimited Data on Verizon

[jfriend33]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

Mod please remove the false information this poster has posted. He is misleading people.

I know damn well dpham00 knows I am right and it is the donor line whose contract gets extended. I learned this method from him, lol!

Thanks for attacking me, Sir, Master, Etc. Check the amount of posts I have under my name. Who appears to have more knowledge and experience? You with your 53 posts??? Seriously?

Since when has anyone on a forum actually been expected to be held to such rigorous BS? I am just explaining to you what my experience is, what I have read, and what my friends who are VERIZON corporate employees have told me to do. thats all.

I am not going to waste any more of my time searching for proof. I was told that in MY CASE, with 2 unlimited lines and 3 feature phones, that I had to do any alternate upgrades by the loophole end date. And that if I ever decided to upgrade one of my feature lines to a data plan, I can continue to transfer my upgrades. Maybe its because I have so many lines?

I mean what now, let me guess this, are you telling me that if in my scenario, I had 2 UL lines, 2 features, and 1 2gb tiered. and If I tried transferring the upgrade from one of my feature phones to the Tiered line, that now the other tiered line would be required to have data? That is 100% FALSE!

 

[midnitefox]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

I have. Tier 2 tech support says it is the DONOR line whose contract will be extended (which has ALWAYS been the case) AND will get stuck with the min $30 2yr data plan requirement.

Best Buy reps say the same thing.

No one here, on slick deals or on XDA has reported it working after the 24th.

I'll preface this by stating that I am a tenured Verizon Wireless employee.

And you are correct. In an alternate upgrade, the donor line receives a two year contract extension which includes the required tiered data package of at least 2GB ($30).

It is no longer possible, under any circumstance, to use a basic phone line as an alternate upgrade to get a subsidized smartphone without also paying for data on the line that received the extension. Anyone that does it will essentially be paying $30 more a month to keep their unlimited data plan.

 

[kil187]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

Well that escalated quickly....

 

[Carla97220]

Re: Verizon to close the upgrade to smartphone then downgrade to basic phone loophole

No way. It's the line you activate. I know for a fact bc I have a feature line with forced data right now, although it's currently being removed. Granted I didn't transfer upgrades. But all I've been told is the line gets the data agreement not where the upgrade comes from.

It won't make you lose ul. You'll just have to add data to another line and continue to alternate upgrade and resell after a year to make up for lost cost.

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what if you cancel that line? are you only responsible for $350 ETF? Or must you continue to pay $30 a month for data on a line that you have already cancelled?

 

[jfriend33]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

Telling someone they are wrong when the ARE wrong is not attacking them - particularly when I am trying to correct the record so that unsuspecting people who think just b/c you have a lot of posts under your name you must know what you are talking about won't be misled.


"Appears" is the operative word here. Any one can post garbage and rack up a lot of posts. Worse yet, unsuspecting readers may misconstrue that to mean you know what you are talking about.


There is no way that it has been your experience that the donee line's contract was extended when you transferred an upgrade to it. That isn't how Verizon's system works. Not now, not ever. It simply doesn't work that way.


Have you ever transferred an upgrade from a UDP line and used the upgrade on another line? If so, on what date? All you need to now do for proof is look at your contract end date on your UDP line. It will be 2 years from the date you transferred and used the UDP line's upgrade.

Is your UDP line still on contract?


The donor line will be stuck with the data requirement b/c it is the donor line's upgrade you are using. Just like it is the donor line's contract that is extended by 2yrs.

I am not even referencing the loophole that happened last year where people with unlimited were somehow allowed to upgrade... But...

The initial press release stated that being under contract would prevent you from being optimized. We later found out that the website had changed stating any unlimited plan would be after going over top 5%.

My point is, that if you had 3 lines and 2 with unlimited and one feature, then prior to the 24th you could have theoretically had them all under contract after doing enough alternate upgrades. Which then became a glimmer of hope. Unfortunately they changed the terms.

Many people continued discussing this. And the concensus was, so long as you have one line on your account, with a data package of $30 or more per month, you can continue to alternate upgrade since you have met the requirement for the data.

The 2 years of data is not attach to the contract that is being extended. It is on the activating line only. This is what the verizon rep told me and clarified for me.

In fact, just as another scenario for further proof/info she tried convincing me to convert my 3 feature lines to a share everything plan. And even in that scenario with having my 2 unlimited lines separate and 3 feature phones bundled on share everything, that I can continue to alternate upgrade with no repercussions.

We all just have to reconvene here and come together. And hopefully after October 1st the optimization is not that bad.

Hopefully more people can call in and get this verified by a honest rep.

By no means should anyone believe anything they read on the Internet as 100% factual. And quite honestly if money isn't an issue you really should just buy your phone full retail or on swappa.com, keep it in great condition, and resell when ready for something else. It's not that big of a deal.

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[midnitefox]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

Yes, the donor line's data is affected just as if it was upgraded normally. So the Unlimited Data Plan is transitioned to the $30 2GB plan.

 

[jfriend33]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

I'll preface this by stating that I am a tenured Verizon Wireless employee.

And you are correct. In an alternate upgrade, the donor line receives a two year contract extension which includes the required tiered data package of at least 2GB ($30).

It is no longer possible, under any circumstance, to use a basic phone line as an alternate upgrade to get a subsidized smartphone without also paying for data on the line that received the extension. Anyone that does it will essentially be paying $30 more a month to keep their unlimited data plan.

Ok. And if you have an account with 3 lines, 1 unlimited, 1 feature, 1 tiered data. You can continue transferring upgrades to the tiered data line and not lose unlimited data, right?

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[jfriend33]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

Yes, the donor line's data is affected just as if it was upgraded normally. So the Unlimited Data Plan is transitioned to the $30 2GB plan.

What if the feature phone transfers it's upgrade to a line with tiered data , it's not going to be required to have data though.

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[midnitefox]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

What if the feature phone transfers it's upgrade to a line with tiered data , it's not going to be required to have data though.

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To clear up any confusion, I should state that we no longer reference "feature phones". A phone is categorized as either basic or smartphone.

In that scenario, a $30 2GB data feature will be attached the the basic phone line. The UDP line will be able to keep UDP, but this will effectively increase the bill by $30.

 

[jfriend33]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

Neither am I.


But the notice on my August bill says only if you have met your minimum contractual term will you be throttled. And I have an UDP line off contract. Others who don't have UDP lines off contract are not getting the notice on their bill.


Not on my August bill they didn't.


They are wrong, because guess what? $29.99 is LESS than $30 and the requirement is a MINIMUM of $30/mo data plan. And if you read, read, read the posts as you say, you will see some of the long time posters indeed caught the $30/mo data plan requirement and put 2 and 2 together about the donor line's contract getting extended and figured it out.


That's false. And I see you have finally admitted you were wrong about the donee line's contract being extended however, you failed to apologize to me for all your ranting at me over that.


Obviously, since you were posting it is the donee's line whose contract is extended when you transfer an upgrade. However, there is and always has been a lot of accurate info in these threads. You haven't been the one posting it, though.

Any unlimited plan, on contract or not, will be subjected to optimization after 10/1.

That's probably just a printing glitch for some people.

So then what you're telling me is people who get the best buy method to work, with only one unlimited line, and they have by getting another sim.. That since they are under contract they won't be optimized? That's false.

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[Carla97220]

Re: Methods that will allow you to both get a subsidized phone and keep UDP after 8/24/14

No that is not what I am saying, however it may be possible to do that, but no one has tried. It makes sense that if you order on the basic line using the basic line's upgrade and then just pop your old UDP sim card in the new phone to activate it you may not get stuck with the data plan requirement on the basic line b/c you bypass the switch order. No one has tried it though.

Wrt the Best Buy Method, what I am saying is that you can use a UDP line's upgrade on the UDP line without transferring the upgrade by ordering from BB online and ship to home. Then follow the rest of the instructions for the BB method and you will keep your UDP. This has been proven to work after the 24th.

What will happen if someone follows the Best Buy method, but NEVER put a Verizon SIM card in the new smartphone? (i.e. only using the new smartphone as a wifi-only device, or using a T-Mobile prepaid sim card?)

 

[jfriend33]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

Not according to the notice on my August bill.


Everyone with a UDP line off contract got the notice.


Not according to the notice Verizon sent me on my August bill.

Call Verizon. They'll tell you otherwise. Talk about misinformation, kettle...

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[jfriend33]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

No, I will write to the FCC as I urge all of you to do here and complain how this isn't network optimization, it is profit optimization.

Anyhow, my written contract cannot be altered by phone reps. Talk about misinformation - your word of mouth vs. the written notice those of us out of contract received directly from Verizon.

And despite all this, still, for your sake, in this instance I hope I'm wrong. Good night.

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[Vancouverbluz]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

So is it true that the best method will work with Costco? Given that I only have one Udp line? How about Amazon? I know that Bb will not have the note 4 fire shipment. I am looking for other options.

 

[WutangX90]

Re: Verizon: How to keep Unlimited Data and get phone on subsidized price

My upgrade is now available as of last week and have a couple questions if anyone can help me out!

I have a Galaxy S3 currently (on it's last leg of life) with an Unlimited Data Plan for Verizon. I obviously want to keep this unlimited data as Spotify, Google Play, and Pandora are used daily on my hour long commute.

Now from reading this thread option A seems to still work: 1) Buy Galaxy S5 from Best Buy. 2) Ship to home. 3) Remove new sim card, replace old sim card and activate.

The thing is I really want to the HTC One M8 instead of the Galaxy S5, which uses a different sim card. Can I keep my UDP by doing the following:

1) Use my sister's upgrade (we're on a family plan, she has an Iphone 5 which she doesn't plan on getting rid of soon) and have the phone shipped to me.
2) Activate the phone using MY number, not hers.

I guess my biggest question is now that the loophole is closed, will this still work? Will I be able to keep my UDP using my sister's upgrade, or will Verizon see that I used her newly shipped phone and change my data plan to 2 gb/month?

 

[rdjr74]

Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

Do we know for sure the BB method works still? Reason I ask is when I used it back in April there were two screens that said “keep existing plan”. Now one screen says it and the next screen makes you select a tiered plan. Just needing confirmation.

Update: I just checked the process again and it seems to have changed and for the better. It now only shows one screen and says “keep existing plan”. Although I didn’t enter my credit card info, is it safe to assume I would take the same steps as I did back in April but this time activate the phone on my wifes UDP line with her existing sim card (it is my line that now has the upgrade), or can I just insert my existing sim card when the phone arrives, pitching the preinstalled sim?…. Thx!

 

[pmp1901]

Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

Hi - Looking for some advice if anyone could be so kind.

My wife and I just got married and want to join our phone lines together. My wife has a Samsung Galaxy S5 on a verizon UDP (Nationwide Talk 450). I have a Galaxy S4 and I am on a Verizon family plan with my parents/brother. My family plan is capped at 13GB data. Naturally, I would like to add a line/transfer my line to my wife's UDP account and be able to keep my existing phone number. I have read a bunch of articles on getting phone upgrades while keeping your UDP, but have yet to come across any current articles (which still have usable options) on adding a line to an UDP. I went on VZW website and tried to add a line to my wife's account there but it appears to force a selection of a fixed data plan. Are there any other options or am I out of luck?

 

[pmp1901]

Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

Congrats!

Thanks! And thank you for the quick response.

First, how long left on the contract for your line?

About 1 year.

Based on your response, am I correct in stating that there is no way for me to add a line on to her UDP account and both lines would have UD? Part of the motivation behind wanting to join our lines together was that I would like to utilize her UDP rather than my tiered data. Thanks again!

 

[pmp1901]

Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

After you merge your line with hers, you can have your phone number put on her line and hers on your line. Then she will have tiered data plan and you will have UDP.

This should work because she uses very little data - 350mb/month vs my 5-6gb/month.

You can then port your number to the UDP line but since you are currently More Everything with 1 year left on the contract, I am not sure how that would work.

I may just hold off until my contract expires because I imagine it may create some issues (early termination) if I try to do the merger and port right now.

 

[cnotes2019]

Re: Keeping UDP - purchasing through Verizon?

Idk but the Verizon AOL department would be able to tell you for sure. You wouldn't be terminating your line, it would still be under contract. I just don't know how to merge a ME line with a legacy nationwide line.

You can't merge the two.


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