iPad Mini resolution no match for Nexus 7.

[Eltedro]

so pretty much my ipad just shrunk is that all the ipad mini is? I paid 420 one year ago i should have gone android base. Whats top 3 android base tablets do you guys recommed

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[dmmarck]

so pretty much my ipad just shrunk is that all the ipad mini is? I paid 420 one year ago i should have gone android base. Whats top 3 android base tablets do you guys recommed

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Wait until the 29th when they debut (possibly) a ten inch and a Nexus 7 with 32 gigs of storage.

 

[Unicorn Rancher]

My point went way over your head. I was talking about the hypocrisy of the same people that defend large Android phones bashing the iPad mini for being big,

Please help me understand this. Suppose we have devices A through G in ascending size. Suppose the | represents the limit of what's a convenient size for a person.

Person 1 might draw the line like: A B C | D E F G
Person 2 might draw the line like: A B C D E | F G

Explain to me how it's " hypocrisy" for either of them to say increasing from B to C is good if they get a better display, but device F is too big for them.

 

[Syrous44]

We all know the ipad mini is over priced for what it is and it will sell like crazy regardless. It does have larger app selection, however the N7 still the better buy. Its only a matter of time when android and windows 8 will level out the playing field and apple will no longer have a dominating stance.

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[natehoy]

Yeah, don't tell me you have your hands wrapped around the N7 like this and then simultaneously use the thumb to navigate as well. .

I rest it in my palm with one end in the crook between my thumb and hand and the other side held by fingertips. I can do most things one-handed that way, with my thumb. I can't reach completely across but I can do most things that way. If the nexus was about a half inch narrower, it would be a lot better for me. But even a quarter inch wider would make it impossible.

Yeah, yeah, I'm holding it wrong.

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[iN8ter]

Wrong. It is the width of the iPad mini (5.3 in) that makes it not that easy to use with one hand, it has nothing to do with the thinness or weight. I can comfortably hold my N7 with one hand (4.72 in wide), but it is not easy. The ipad mini would never be easy for me to hold with one hand. Just because Apple says something (iPad mini is easy to use with one hand) does not make it true.

Oxymoron?

 

[bitseeker]

I actually find it funny that Apple would release such a device. Sure the screen's bigger but it's lower resolution, an awkward aspect ratio for HD movies and it's also got a too-thin bezel and won't fit as easily into a pocket.

It does seem odd at first especially since tablets are generally considered to be media consumption devices. However, the 4:3 ratio does fit their large library of apps. So, for the sake of compatibility, it was almost necessary. The widescreen iPhone will have to move their installed base toward 16:9, after which the iPad can follow. In the end, more hardware versions yields more revenue for Apple. Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade.

In a way, the fragmentation and lag in the Android tablet world enables the N7 to be 16:9 right away. Yay for us N7 owners.

 

[iN8ter]

The average person won't know. My wife was asking me about the iPad mini and I told her its much more expensive compared to Android tablets that have better tech. She said to me "I wouldn't know I'd just see iPad in the store and think 'oh that is apple is must be good'"

This is a huge problem for competitors right now, mind share with non techie buyers. People just assume they get top tier stuff with apple because it's apple and don't bother doing research or asking why they're paying more. They figure higher cost means it's better.

They do get top tier stuff with Apple. The most hillarious thing is how people here assume the fact that it is missing a Retina Display somehow makes it low tier. I think mindshare with consumers is not the issue. It's the Android OEMs listening to techies who care more about the latest specs than the quality of the ecosystem and user experience. Apple went the other way, and Microsoft is going the other way, and it's working for Apple and will work for Microsoft. The techie way of Android obviously isn't competing well except in the "can't afford an iPad" market. The fact that people are willing to use a stock OS with inferior user experience and beckon it as the greatest thing ever says a lot in this thread.

There are many skinned Android tablets that offer competitive user experiences. The Nexus 7's software apart from being more "flexible" and "customizeable" simply isn't on the level of iOS6 and Windows 8 for the average consumer. Most consumers buy skinned devices. The Nexus 7 sold well for the same reason the Kindle Fire sold well. It's dirt cheap.

Infact the only really successful Android tablets have been the Kindle Fire and to a MUCH MUCH lesser extent the Nexus 7 largely because of being super cheap.

If the iPad is so inferior and so overpriced, how come none of the high priced tablets from Asus, Samsung, and others are able to compete with it in the higher price ranges for 10" form factors despite being in some cases factorably cheaper with what some claim as superior hardware (outside of screen resolution)?

 

[lpt2569]

Oxymoron?

Yes, I corrected my post for clarification of what I meant to write.

 

[iN8ter]

Basically until Stock Android gains decent Services integration (sorry, "Share" menus and tons of third party apps are not "integration") and a decent back camera with at least good 720p video recording it won't be an option to most people I know. It doesn't have to be phenomenal, it can be an iPod Toch 4th Gen level back camera, but in sport we value video over stills, not that the N7 can even do those. Until that's the case, the iPad or a decent smartphone (even an iPhone 4 or iPod Touch [esp. 5th Gen, which is beyond portable] is superior to that tablet). Google is oblivious as to how tablets are often used in the real world, and even though you save $80 on the N7 you will never be able to bolt a camera into that thing. Some people don't mind paying for convenience.

I haven't seen anyone with a Nexus 7, yet, but I see them stockpiled in Best Buy along with some other Android Tablets (Transformers and I think Thrive Tablets). They are not selling well, says the workers there. I've never seen anyone looking at them, and I'm constantly in there. Wal-Mart here there are more people looking at Laptops/Notebooks/Netbooks than Tablet PCs, and the iPads and iPods get such good visibility in the Electronics department that it can destroy sales for other devices even though they're significantly more expensive.

I still want to know why google put a Phone UI on a 7" tablet. It just looks stupid, and that's not something I could ever use on a daily basis. I don't tend to root and use custom roms or bother with redundant 3rd party launchers. I'm one of those "want a good user experience that I don't have to tinker with" people.

 

[dmmarck]

They do get top tier stuff with Apple. The most hillarious thing is how people here assume the fact that it is missing a Retina Display somehow makes it low tier. I think mindshare with consumers is not the issue. It's the Android OEMs listening to techies who care more about the latest specs than the quality of the ecosystem and user experience. Apple went the other way, and Microsoft is going the other way, and it's working for Apple and will work for Microsoft. The techie way of Android obviously isn't competing well except in the "can't afford an iPad" market. The fact that people are willing to use a stock OS with inferior user experience and beckon it as the greatest thing ever says a lot in this thread.

There are many skinned Android tablets that offer competitive user experiences. The Nexus 7's software apart from being more "flexible" and "customizeable" simply isn't on the level of iOS6 and Windows 8 for the average consumer. Most consumers buy skinned devices. The Nexus 7 sold well for the same reason the Kindle Fire sold well. It's dirt cheap.

Infact the only really successful Android tablets have been the Kindle Fire and to a MUCH MUCH lesser extent the Nexus 7 largely because of being super cheap.

If the iPad is so inferior and so overpriced, how come none of the high priced tablets from Asus, Samsung, and others are able to compete with it in the higher price ranges for 10" form factors despite being in some cases factorably cheaper with what some claim as superior hardware (outside of screen resolution)?

Because the iPad is groundbreaking with a built in market base.

 

[paintdrinkingpete]

They do get top tier stuff with Apple. The most hillarious thing is how people here assume the fact that it is missing a Retina Display somehow makes it low tier. I think mindshare with consumers is not the issue. It's the Android OEMs listening to techies who care more about the latest specs than the quality of the ecosystem and user experience. Apple went the other way, and Microsoft is going the other way, and it's working for Apple and will work for Microsoft. The techie way of Android obviously isn't competing well except in the "can't afford an iPad" market. The fact that people are willing to use a stock OS with inferior user experience and beckon it as the greatest thing ever says a lot in this thread.

There are many skinned Android tablets that offer competitive user experiences. The Nexus 7's software apart from being more "flexible" and "customizeable" simply isn't on the level of iOS6 and Windows 8 for the average consumer. Most consumers buy skinned devices. The Nexus 7 sold well for the same reason the Kindle Fire sold well. It's dirt cheap.

Infact the only really successful Android tablets have been the Kindle Fire and to a MUCH MUCH lesser extent the Nexus 7 largely because of being super cheap.

If the iPad is so inferior and so overpriced, how come none of the high priced tablets from Asus, Samsung, and others are able to compete with it in the higher price ranges for 10" form factors despite being in some cases factorably cheaper with what some claim as superior hardware (outside of screen resolution)?

I think that was MZANETTE's point exactly...people will Apple products even if they are technically inferior to competitor's products. Perhaps "top-tier" was the wrong word, because I agree Apple does make top-tier products. That does not mean that their products, however, are the BEST on the market -- yet folks will still pay more for them....but I believe only to a certain degree.

I think if this iPad mini was priced about $100 cheaper, it would completely rob the Nexus 7 market, and rightfully so perhaps...none the less, it certainly isn't worth spending almost twice as much, depending on model, to get one...at least not in my opinion. The reason this product probably won't work as well for Apple is because the price gap between it and it's competition is actually large enough in this case to sway some of the sheep to jump to the other side of the fence.

 

[appmy]

And I still want to know why google put a Phone UI on a 7" tablet. It just looks stupid.

That's an old argument that is no longer relevant.

Apple put a tablet OS on a phone.

I think both have advantages and disadvantages, and neither are perfect. I prefer Android so I do have additional flexibility on customization.

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[Ry]

I still want to know why google put a Phone UI on a 7" tablet. It just looks stupid, and that's not something I could ever use on a daily basis. I don't tend to root and use custom roms or bother with redundant 3rd party launchers. I'm one of those "want a good user experience that I don't have to tinker with" people.

The Nexus 7 was probably conceived as a primarily portrait-oriented device. The Android ICS/Jelly Bean phone UI is portrait-oriented. So the Nexus 7 gets the phone UI.

 

[roblox84]

Why does this thread have 26 pages already?

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[natehoy]

Basically until Stock Android gains decent Services integration (sorry, "Share" menus and tons of third party apps are not "integration") and a decent back camera with at least good 720p video recording it won't be an option to most people I know. It doesn't have to be phenomenal, it can be an iPod Toch 4th Gen level back camera, but in sport we value video over stills, not that the N7 can even do those. Until that's the case, the iPad or a decent smartphone (even an iPhone 4 or iPod Touch [esp. 5th Gen, which is beyond portable] is superior to that tablet). Google is oblivious as to how tablets are often used in the real world,

And if your usage patterns support the iPad mini, you should most certainly buy one.

But please stop taking your real world cases that differ from that of others' and keep calling everyone who disagrees with you "wrong" as if there's some objective standard a consumer device must meet before we're all allowed to choose it.

Nexus is cheaper. The size and shape works better for some of us. Many of us don't care about a camera. If we don't like the user interface, we appreciate the fact that we can change it. We like the higher resolution and widescreen for watching video at closer than arm's length.

Those are real decision points that might not match yours. And that's fine. But our criteria not matching yours does not imply ignorance or lack of intelligence on either side.

 

[iN8ter]

Well for one the build quality is obviously superior and of course it has a back camera. Ever tried Coach's Eye Sports Video Analysis App for iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, and Android on a Nexus 7? Have fun with that.

The ecosystem is much better and the Tablet App market is a lot better on iOS than Android.

Stock Android is missing a lot of the niceties in iOS6. Codec support is worse. Services integration is worse.

Apple's services are a bit more streamlined than Google's.

It's easier to use for the average consumer, and you can get more done just by virtue of the extra hardware components in it, nevermind the superior app ecosystem there.

Some things are worth paying for.

Just wait a week or two before purchasing and you can plop down an extra $80 for it. It's really not that difficult.

Screen Resolution doesn't matter much. It's a smaller screen so the PPI will be good enough. As good as most 1024x600 7" Android tablets, which is what most that size are.

A higher resolution screen doesn't make up for completely lacking an important hardware component (camera). The arguments against this tablet aren't logical, and price isn't just based on hardware.

Android with Sense or TouchWizis great. Stock Android isn't on the same level as iOS, TW/Sense, or WP7.5/8 for usability.

People should ultimately use what they feel works best for them. Obviously I'm not going to buy a tablet of any size without a camera, so that is very important to me. I'm sure there are others who like the lack of a camera, one less thing to break plopping the device down. That's all fine and good. But the arguments against price in this thread do not seem to be soundly justified.

 

[dmmarck]

Why does this thread have 26 pages already?

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Probably because there's some good discussion to be had

 

[iN8ter]

And if your usage patterns support the iPad mini, you should most certainly buy one.

But please stop taking your real world cases that differ from that of others' and keep calling everyone who disagrees with you "wrong" as if there's some objective standard a consumer device must meet before we're all allowed to choose it.

Nexus is cheaper. The size and shape works better for some of us. Many of us don't care about a camera. If we don't like the user interface, we appreciate the fact that we can change it. We like the higher resolution and widescreen for watching video at closer than arm's length.

Those are real decision points that might not match yours. And that's fine. But our criteria not matching yours does not imply ignorance or lack of intelligence on either side.

The thread is full of people calling the iPad Mini clearly inferior based on their own personal use cases, yet I don't see you ing at them.

I see tons of people using iPads for video. This whole market is full of coaches who use them for on-the-spot video analysis with their students.

This isn't about what I THINK is optimal. I'm simply telling you what I see, and Google by virtue of their design of that tablet pretty much made it a non-factor to all of the coaches that use the cameras on their Tablets rink-side.

That's not my opinion. It's fact. If it's missing the hardware, then it's clearly not going to work out.

Additionally the governing body of the sport has Apps with video analysis clips etc. for iOS (iPhone, iPad, iTouch) which are not available on Android, anyways.

And the apps like the one I linked upthread are so buggy on so many Android phones that if you do this for a living (or train in sport) you're better off just getting an iOS device to ensure a higher quality experience even if you're rather have an Android device to begin with. Sometimes people don't buy what they like, they buy what they NEED. And the Nexus 7 (and Android, to a lesser extent) has big holes in its design that don't allow it to provide that.

Everyone wants more competition in the market. But they are making it hard for a lot of people to consider their product with these types of obvious omissions. If someone wants an eReader they can buy a Nook or Kindle (or Sony eReader) for half the price and use their smartphone for everything else. It's not like a Nexus 7 is so much bigger than the average high end Android smartphone these days (4.8-5.3" screens).

The main argument I hear from the average Joe against Tablets is always "why do I need one, it doesn't do anything my smartphone doesn't do." As smartphones get bigger even the media advantage of smaller tablets are getting eroded on, because people LOVE to consolidate devices (this is why the PMP and hand held camera markets are being destroyed by smartphones these days).

 

[dmmarck]

Well for one the build quality is obviously superior and of course it has a back camera. Ever tried Coach's Eye Sports Video Analysis App for iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, and Android on a Nexus 7? Have fun with that.

The ecosystem is much better and the Tablet App market is a lot better on iOS than Android.

Stock Android is missing a lot of the niceties in iOS6. Codec support is worse. Services integration is worse.

Apple's services are a bit more streamlined than Google's.

It's easier to use for the average consumer, and you can get more done just by virtue of the extra hardware components in it, nevermind the superior app ecosystem there.

Some things are worth paying for.

Just wait a week or two before purchasing and you can plop down an extra $80 for it. It's really not that difficult.

Screen Resolution doesn't matter much. It's a smaller screen so the PPI will be good enough. As good as most 1024x600 7" Android tablets, which is what most that size are.

A higher resolution screen doesn't make up for completely lacking an important hardware component (camera). The arguments against this tablet aren't logical, and price isn't just based on hardware.

Android with Sense or TouchWizis great. Stock Android isn't on the same level as iOS, TW/Sense, or WP7.5/8 for usability.

People should ultimately use what they feel works best for them. Obviously I'm not going to buy a tablet of any size without a camera, so that is very important to me. I'm sure there are others who like the lack of a camera, one less thing to break plopping the device down. That's all fine and good. But the arguments against price in this thread do not seem to be soundly justified.

That's because most arguments for and against are completely subjective. Regardless if couched under the idea or term of logic, they remain so.

(Mostly)

See, e.g., your defense of a tablet needing or having a requirement for a rear camera and the tone and language in which such camera is described, observed, detailed, and supported.

See also plenty of my own and other opinions throughout as well .