iPad Mini resolution no match for Nexus 7.

[htabbach]

I buy my devices for software, first and foremost. Hardware, to me, is merely secondary--sort of like Google with the Nexus line .

Lol, if this is true, why do Android fans always talk about specs and make fun of Apple products because of specs? like people doing on this forum saying the mini is a small iPad2? As a former Android user and a current iOS user i can tell you, specs do not matter, do you know how many top-of-the-line Android devices I have had that pail in comparison to iOS devices? ALL OF THEM

Call me an iSheep or whatever, the reason I switched from Android to iOS was not because I am an Apple fan, it was because Apple products are of a MUCH higher quality than Android, much smoother and faster, I like to spend my hard earned money on Quality products!

 

[dmmarck]

Lol, if this is true, why do Android fans always talk about specs and make fun of Apple products because of specs? like people doing on this forum saying the mini is a small iPad2? As a former Android user and a current iOS user i can tell you, specs do not matter, do you know how many top-of-the-line Android devices I have had that pail in comparison to iOS devices? ALL OF THEM

Call me an iSheep or whatever, the reason I switched from Android to iOS was not because I am an Apple fan, it was because Apple products are of a MUCH higher quality than Android, much smoother and faster, I like to spend my hard earned money on Quality products!

How can it not be true? It's my own personal opinion. Opinions are neither true nor false, they simply exist .

 

[anon(847090)]

True. Economically, it's a smart decision. But economics should have little to nothing to do with objective product reviewing--anything Apple makes will sell like hot cakes, regardless if it's terrible, meh, or good. Here, based upon what we just saw, this device is absolutely, 100% in the "meh" camp. And that's not simply bias, it's looking at what it offers. It offers less than the competition (mobile data [wait for the 29th], storage [wait for the 29th], and rear facing camera [somewhat unnecessary IMO] aside), and in that regard, it is the latest and strongest example of Apple losing its ability to be a pioneering, innovative force in technology (at least in the reign of Captain Cook).

Yes, mini will sell like hot cake but there is a huge possibility that it might cut in to ipad 4 sales and reducing their profit margin.

 

[jpash549]

Most of these comments seemed to center on the fact that the display is not the same quality or even as good as the Nexus 7 or that the processor used is the same as currently used in the iPad 2. The approach for the iPad mini has been make it as light and slender as possible given that the screen size is larger then the current 7 inch devices . The desired markets probably include educational and industrial which don't need the retina approach. Also channel surfing the web , writing emails and things like this don't need the retina approach and the requirement for lots of battery or higher processor speed. Making it the same pixel wise as I Pad 2 opened up the existing app catalogue. The iPad3 uses the same grid as the iPad 2 but has four smaller pixels distributed around in the corners of the vertices in which the IPad2 has its pixel. Going to an in between number of pixels involves changing the grid and introducing more requirement for apps change and less compatibility between devices .

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[dmmarck]

I respectfully disagree. For what the "average joe" does with a tablet, the iPad does better. It is more about the software and overall user experience than the specs to these consumers. I'll go on record right now that this device will do well. You can all say you told me so if it does not (right).

Android devs need to get their but in gear if they want to compete with this. They have the hardware and OS, but just not the apps yet. The majority of my N7 apps fill most of the screen with empty space and tiny text.

I agree with you there; although, I'd rather have small text and empty space than that early solution iOS had--blowing up the iPhone app and making it a pixelated mess.

 

[EnlightenedSoul]

I agree the mini is priced too high, nexus 7 hit the sweet spot.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

No, he's been dead for a year. Although he was around when it was called the iPad 2.

Gizmodo, while I hate thee, has a pretty decent article that sums up my thoughts:

The iPad Mini Seems Crazy Expensive

Pretty much this.

Retina is also not a buzz word. It describes something real. If you truly can't Se the difference between the iPad 2 display and the new retina ones then you're either in denial or need an eye exam.

Now, choosing not to care about that difference is something altogether separate.

 

[htabbach]

How can it not be true? It's my own personal opinion. Opinions are neither true nor false, they simply exist .

Lol, that I agree with you!

 

[lpt2569]

And you think Apple's dev cycle is less than that? You're wrong. FYI, iPads were in development before the first iPhone ever shipped. Steve knew about the mini long before he passed.

If this is inconceivable to you, you don't know Apple well at all and just how long they think about things. It has been a contributing factor for decades as to why the hardware is never the latest and greatest. You have to rush to get that out the door... Apple doesn't. There are things in the lab you won't see for years.

"Just over two years ago, Apple founder Steve Jobs held forth on an earnings conference call about the impossibility of making a good tablet with a screen smaller than the iPad's roughly 10-inch display."

"There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touchscreen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them," Jobs said, citing Apple's research. And no, a higher screen resolution wouldn't help upcoming Android-based tablets: "It is meaningless unless your tablet also includes sandpaper, so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one-quarter of their present size."

 

[lpt2569]

duplicate

 

[RichardRight]

I just don't see who the market for this is going to be other than people who would have bought a bigger iPad. it's certainly not going to be much temptation for those who wanted something in the 200 dollar range.

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[dmmarck]

And you think Apple's dev cycle is less than that? You're wrong. FYI, iPads were in development before the first iPhone ever shipped. Steve knew about the mini long before he passed.

If this is inconceivable to you, you don't know Apple well at all and just how long they think about things. It has been a contributing factor for decades as to why the hardware is never the latest and greatest. You have to rush to get that out the door... Apple doesn't. There are things in the lab you won't see for years.

Just FYI, if I have any sort of emoticon next to any phrase, statement, etc., it usually means there's a decent amount of sarcasm, satire, humor, etc. embedded within the text and as such that foregoing line of text should be read with such sarcasm, satire, humor, etc. I like arguing, but I also like joking around too!

That being said, just because it was in development or considered does not mean that it in its final version or even close to final version were around at any given time period, with this given time period being Steve Jobs' life. What about that well bandied quote that Jobs thought a 7 inch tablet was pointless and defeats the purpose? If true, does that mean that he's simply Houdini? Further, given projects that we (1) know he spearheaded with more vim and vigor than others, and (2) his general demeanor, sensibilities, and behavior as CEO of Apple post 1997, where in Apple's long, illustrious line of products do you see something akin to the iPad Mini? And by akin I mean (1) something noticeably overpriced (which the iPad 1 was not - read the Giz article), (2) behind the times in innovation, idea, and form factor, and (3) something that simply fills a slot in the market chain instead of creating its own slot in the market chain.

If this was Jobs' work then he truly did lose a step or two near the end of his life, and that's a shame IMHO. Because as much as I dislike iOS, the iPhone, and my iPad, Jobs was a brilliant man.

EDIT:

I noticed a fellow user posted Jobs' thoughts on the 7 inch tablet scene.

"Just over two years ago, Apple founder Steve Jobs held forth on an earnings conference call about the impossibility of making a good tablet with a screen smaller than the iPad's roughly 10-inch display."

"There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touchscreen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them," Jobs said, citing Apple's research. And no, a higher screen resolution wouldn't help upcoming Android-based tablets: "It is meaningless unless your tablet also includes sandpaper, so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one-quarter of their present size."

 

[lpt2569]

Yup... and he also said the rumors of HyperCard's demise was "BS". The discussion at hand is not about whether he took liberties with the truth in the marketing of Apple or the manipulation of others.

Yes, he took liberties, but my guess, after reading his autobiography and just paying attention to Apple's product history, is that this was an idea he knew was not good for them until they got it right. This iPad mini was not done well, IMO. And as dmmarck said, my bet is Jobs would not have allowed this to happen at this point in time.

 

[dmmarck]

LOL, that was because he had a 10 inch tablet he wanted to sell you at the time.

When working on the tablet, Steve suddenly exclaimed "we can make a phone out of this!", so it was clear to him way back then that the interface they had created was usable all the way down to the 3-4 inch form factor. They whole anti-7 inch line was to get some pundits and major stockholders of his back about debuting two sizes of iPads initially.

I'm sorry, but there's way too much assumption and conjecture in that statement. I'd need to see something with a bit more proof and substance.

(I define "bit" as "a lot," btw )

 

[flacousa]

The wait is over for me, I will be buying two 7" tablets for Christmas gifts and was waiting for the "mini" specs and price to decide, they priced the "mini" out of my price range and will be getting two Nexus 7" 32g


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[Shilohcane]

Is anyone really satisfied with build quality of their N7 when you compare it side by side with an iPad?

I don't have any build quality issues with my N7. I went through four Apple iPhone 4 in one year and three months. I had to pay $150 for a phone that would not boot that was 12 months and one week old. Every one of those iPhone 4 had internal quality issues and were never dropped.

 

[lpt2569]

He didn't write an autobiography. But I am glad to see you admit that you are guessing here.

My bad. Thanks for catching that. No guessing here, I read it twice and gave it to my boss (huge apple fan) to read. He didn't read it though. Not sure why you think I would need to lie about what I've read. I have nothing to prove here, just having a conversation.

 

[Irvgotti]

iPad mini or iPod XL?

 

[dmmarck]

I can't tell you how I know what I know, but much of this is in Isaacson's biography. Giving it a read will help connect a lot of dots.

I've read it (over Christmas Break last year, FWIW) and fail to see how that refutes anything in my longwinded post. But I digress

Also, sticking with the "I know what I know" thing is no way to have an argument/debate IMO. You may know what you know, but without offering actual proof or evidence it becomes nothing more than puffery. Which, of course, Jobs loved. So maybe this whole argument is just a massive case of Inception?

 

[taylorz_412]

Bought a so called "NEW"iPad on launch day for 600 some odd dollars then they through the iPad 4 in my face... :banghead::thumbdown::thumbdown: B$!..and. the nexus 7 I plan on buying is looking sweeter and sweeter

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