iPad Mini resolution no match for Nexus 7.

[lpt2569]

aaarrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!! duplicates be damned!!!!!

 

[mzanette]

While I am all for the discusion of the pros and cons of the device with respect to the N7, the fact that their stock price is following the current market trends, and that there is an improved iPad seems to have little bearing here.

It has a better front camera. A decent rear one the N7 completely lacks. Better speakers. Much better build (something I would love to pay the extra $79 bucks for to get in the N7), and much better apps (at the moment - hopefully this changes soon).

The front camera is the same at 1.2MP. How do you know the iPad mini speakers are better?

It also has half the storage of the Nexus 7, and a lower resolution screen. Again i'm going by the 32GB Nexus 7 which has already leaked and will be in stores before the iPad mini is.

 

[lpt2569]

Is anyone really satisfied with build quality of their N7 when you compare it side by side with an iPad?

Yes.

 

[MalachyNG]

I'm a little disappointed that with HTC, Sony and Samsung working on 1080p 5 inch displays that the iPad mini would have that resolution at least and beat them to the punch to a full HD screen. They had a chance to blow away the 7" market with a retina iPad mini running on an A6. Instead it feels like they were frightened by the kindle fire and nexus 7 and scrambled to get something out before the holidays.

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[Unicorn Rancher]

Is anyone really satisfied with build quality of their N7 when you compare it side by side with an iPad?

So far, I'm happy with the build quality of my Nexus 7. I'm also happy with the build quality of my Blur, even though the ZTs are undeniably more solid.

 

[mzanette]

As opposed to the build quality issues of the N7? I like my N7 but I think it is important that Google step up the build quality on the Nexus. I don't want another Nexus phone whose power button wears out in less than a year, or a tablet whose screen delams. I don't want cheap Samsung junk either.

Don't know whether you've disassembled your N7 but its power button is not long for this world either. This is a component that should be designed for heavy use and clearly it is not. This is something that Apple thinks about, and that Nexus OEM's don't.

Is anyone really satisfied with build quality of their N7 when you compare it side by side with an iPad?

I really don't get it. So you've had a Nexus phone and didn't like the quality. Why did you then buy a Nexus tablet? If you're such a stickler for quality built products why didn't you go with Apple? I had my Nexus 7 for a day only and the quality seemed good to me, time will tell how it holds up when I pick up the new one next week.

 

[svfd757]

I have no issues with my Nexus 7. Those isheep can have their Lil ipad 2 with tech from 2 years ago.

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[dmmarck]

I can't say, but believe me I know. The camera is also better (same rez, better pictures).

I agree with the pricey storage that Apple is known for, but you won't notice the extra screen rez and the slightly bigger pixels will be easier to read. Hard ANY apps for the N7 take into consideration the extra rez so things look to damn small and actually waste the available real estate with mostly white space. It was smart for Apple to keep the screen's pixel dimensions the sam as iPad 2 because there are a ton of great apps designed for that rez.

I think the remark about the resolution misses the mark. Adding real estate and decreasing resolution sort of flies in the face of Apple's retina "movement," which is predicated upon having the highest quality DPI, resolution, etc., within a given constraint. They had a given constraint and chose not to maximize it. Now, it might allow for easy transitioning due to the iPad 2, but considering the resolution increases to the 3 and the 4 one would think that's somewhat of an excuse, not necessarily a bona fide reason or support for such a digression.

Further, there are many, many ways to customize the experience on the N7 so as to utilize the space effectively. This option, of course, is not available for anything within the Apple ecosystem. If it were then I think that I'd be a bit more comfortable with such a screen. But as of right now, I see the screen as nothing more than a way to try a quick cash-in. Steve Jobs would be none too pleased IMHO.

 

[mzanette]

I think the remark about the resolution misses the mark. Adding real estate and decreasing resolution sort of flies in the face of Apple's retina "movement," which is predicated upon having the highest quality DPI, resolution, etc., within a given constraint. They had a given constraint and chose not to maximize it. Now, it might allow for easy transitioning due to the iPad 2, but considering the resolution increases to the 3 and the 4 one would think that's somewhat of an excuse, not necessarily a bona fide reason or support for such a digression.

Further, there are many, many ways to customize the experience on the N7 so as to utilize the space effectively. This option, of course, is not available for anything within the Apple ecosystem. If it were then I think that I'd be a bit more comfortable with such a screen. But as of right now, I see the screen as nothing more than a way to try a quick cash-in. Steve Jobs would be none too pleased IMHO.

Apple knows that even with the limitations of the iPad mini you mentioned, Apple fans will flock to this because they want a smaller form factor after seeing all those nice Android tablets that fit into one hand. Apple didn't have to provide retina display or top processor in this product because they know everyone will buy it with the cheaper quality -- why bother putting out top tier if you can make as much money without it?

 

[KitN]

While I am all for the discusion of the pros and cons of the device with respect to the N7, the fact that their stock price is following the current market trends, and that there is an improved iPad seems to have little bearing here.

It has a better front camera. A decent rear one the N7 completely lacks. Better speakers. Much better build (something I would love to pay the extra $79 bucks for to get in the N7), and much better apps (at the moment - hopefully this changes soon).

FAIL!

They have EXACTLY THE SAME (front) CAMERA SPECS!

The N7 also has a BETTER SCREEN.

The N7 also has a BETTER, FASTER PROCESSOR.

The N7 fits better in the hand like an eBook vs Apple's cubbier design (width-wise).

The N7 has GPS! Not seeing GPS on the iPad Mini thus far isn't a good sign...

The N7 is OPEN and Open Source! No jail breaking! No unlocking! Its open and completely "hackable" and customizable from the get-go! Period!

I could go on but let the comparison here do the talking:

sortable.com/tablets/Google-Nexus-7-32-GB-vs-Apple-iPad-mini-32-GB

Spoiler: Google Nexus 7 is the winner.

And we STILL have a huge announcement for Nexii devices to be had on 10/29. Sit tight. The 7" tablet wars are getting really good which means a win-win for all of us (consumers)!

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[mzanette]

I think the remark about the resolution misses the mark. Adding real estate and decreasing resolution sort of flies in the face of Apple's retina "movement," which is predicated upon having the highest quality DPI, resolution, etc., within a given constraint. They had a given constraint and chose not to maximize it. Now, it might allow for easy transitioning due to the iPad 2, but considering the resolution increases to the 3 and the 4 one would think that's somewhat of an excuse, not necessarily a bona fide reason or support for such a digression.

Further, there are many, many ways to customize the experience on the N7 so as to utilize the space effectively. This option, of course, is not available for anything within the Apple ecosystem. If it were then I think that I'd be a bit more comfortable with such a screen. But as of right now, I see the screen as nothing more than a way to try a quick cash-in. Steve Jobs would be none too pleased IMHO.

Apple knows that even with the limitations of the iPad mini you mentioned, Apple fans will flock to this because they want a smaller form factor after seeing all those nice Android tablets that fit into one hand. Apple didn't have to provide retina display or top processor in this product because they know everyone will buy it with the cheaper quality -- why bother putting out top tier if you can make as much money without it?

 

[Shilohcane]

16GB N7 was $249 last I looked, and that is what I recently paid for one (actually two as the first had "assembly issues").

Wait till next Monday ( 29th ) and your statement won't be $249 for a 16GB N7 when Google comes out with their two new N7 (more memory & cell modem). I like my N7 since I broke out of Apple prison. There are a few apps that are only on Apple that I want but had my N7 at the bar yesterday and some of the iPad people wanted a few of the Apps I had that only runs on Android. Everyone get to get what they need and I just don't need another tablet. I like one the size of the N7 that fits in my cargo pants pockets.

 

[dmmarck]

Apple knows that even with the limitations of the iPad mini you mentioned, Apple fans will flock to this because they want a smaller form factor after seeing all those nice Android tablets that fit into one hand. Apple didn't have to provide retina display or top processor in this product because they know everyone will buy it with the cheaper quality -- why bother putting out top tier if you can make as much money without it?

True. Economically, it's a smart decision. But economics should have little to nothing to do with objective product reviewing--anything Apple makes will sell like hot cakes, regardless if it's terrible, meh, or good. Here, based upon what we just saw, this device is absolutely, 100% in the "meh" camp. And that's not simply bias, it's looking at what it offers. It offers less than the competition (mobile data [wait for the 29th], storage [wait for the 29th], and rear facing camera [somewhat unnecessary IMO] aside), and in that regard, it is the latest and strongest example of Apple losing its ability to be a pioneering, innovative force in technology (at least in the reign of Captain Cook).

 

[Ry]

Don't really care about the specs.

This is what I care about:

Go ahead and flame away.

 

[dmmarck]

I bought a Nexus phone because I wanted capable phone that I could be off contract with. I bought a Nexus 7 because I thought it was cool and liked the form factor, but that doesn't mean I won't hold Google's feet to the fire regarding questionable build quality (especially since Apple has raised the bar exponentially in recent years). Case in point... (aside from the screen assembly issues) the N7's power button, which you will use thousands of times, is not even a micro switch, it is a foil laminate contact. How long do you think that will last? This is the kind of thing I would expect to see in a $15 remote control, not a $249 tablet.

I am all for having better processors, but that does not excuse other components of substandard quality.

My hopes for Google is they'll get off the cheap plastic junk for the Nexus line and use Moto's manufacturing prowess to eventually compete with Apple's build quality. The fact that many here don't see the differences between an iPad and N7's build quality, or simply choose to ignore it, frankly dumbfounds me. But I will no longer belabor the point in this thread. If folks are happy with a cheap plastic device that feels like it was made by Gold Star back in the seventies just 'cause it has more 'hrz and "1080p", who am I to argue... but I am decidedly different from them.

I buy my devices for software, first and foremost. Hardware, to me, is merely secondary--sort of like Google with the Nexus line .

 

[KitN]

True. Economically, it's a smart decision. But economics should have little to nothing to do with objective product reviewing--anything Apple makes will sell like hot cakes, regardless if it's terrible, meh, or good. Here, based upon what we just saw, this device is absolutely, 100% in the "meh" camp. And that's not simply bias, it's looking at what it offers. It offers less than the competition (mobile data [wait for the 29th], storage [wait for the 29th], and rear facing camera [somewhat unnecessary IMO] aside), and in that regard, it is the latest and strongest example of Apple losing its ability to be a pioneering, innovative force in technology (at least in the reign of Captain Cook).

Agreed.

I'm happy Apple finally joined the 7" tablet market. It will force others to up their game and compete even more for our $$$. This is a win-win for consumers... but in all honesty, we all know, its underwhelming.

Sure Apple sheep will eat it up but will it be enough to take top spot away from the likes of the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire? I think not. Not at that pricepiont and not with those specs.

Apple played it too safe this time, using the guts and screen of a 2 year old iPad they had lying around. They didn't innovate. They didn't revolutionize. They sold a huge opportunity short and their asking a hefty price for it.

Those two things alone are going to turn off a lot of consumers that aren't iSheep or blinded by an Apple logo.

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[Ridgerunner20]

You know, I don't think I have to worry about build quality anymore. With new ipad's coming out ever six months, they will never get old enough to break

 

[roblox84]

I think they should make two versions of the iPad Mini, one that runs apple software and one that runs android. I think that would be fun.

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[dmmarck]

Retina is a buzz word. Stupidest thing ever to bring it to computers for anything other than scientific and print design folks. As is 1080p on a 5 inch display. There is such a thing as too much resolution and driving extra pixels that can not be seen just so that you can advertise that you can do it. Folks don't hold a tablet under their nose like a phone. The mini's resolution is fine for the task at hand as is the N7's. A true retina display is overkill, and requires processing power much better spent elsewhere.

My point was that iPads are more readable than almost anything on the N7, and I am not talking about the retina ones, and the reason for this is Apple's app store software control. Apple will NOT let publishers scale up their apps for the iPad (or even the retina iPhone). They will be rejected until resubmitted with higher rez content that still meets the HIGs with regard to form factor. I see very little on Android that measures up to this user experience (currently). Hopefully that will change or Android will fail the tablet market.

BTW... you don't think that Steve was around during the Mini's design? I can pretty much assure you he was.

No, he's been dead for a year. Although he was around when it was called the iPad 2.

Gizmodo, while I hate thee, has a pretty decent article that sums up my thoughts:

The iPad Mini Seems Crazy Expensive

 

[lpt2569]

Apple played it too safe this time, using the guts and screen of a 2 year old iPad they had lying around. They didn't innovate. They didn't revolutionize. They sold a huge opportunity short and their asking a hefty price for it.

The last time they did not play it safe was the introduction of the iPad. Since then...zzzzzzzzz........