iPhone 6's are bending when sitting down?

[JeffDenver]

Oh, the unbox guy knows exactly where the weak point is and uses it as the fulcrum. You can see him carefully placing his thumbs. Not that this takes away from the fact that there is a real weak point in the design... It just means that the tests that show how strong a particular phone is doesn't tell the whole story. .

 

[Edgar702]

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And his thumb is at the bending point.


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[JeffDenver]

And his thumb is at the bending point.

Exactly. In the bend test from Consumer reports, the pressure was not where the thumb is in this photo. Same with Wired's test. They are not bending the phone where it is actually weak. Therefore the tests are either flawed or dishonest.

 

[TomsAndroid]

Exactly. In the bend test from Consumer reports, the pressure was not where the thumb is in this photo. Same with Wired's test. They are not bending the phone where it is actually weak. Therefore the tests are either flawed or dishonest.

I'm glad someone else gets that Your pocket won't discriminate.


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[Edgar702]

CR has shown that it takes 90 lbs to bend a 6+, which is well above any pocket pressure, unless some id**t sits on their phone.


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[TomsAndroid]

CR has shown that it takes 90 lbs to bend a 6+, which is well above any pocket pressure, unless some id**t sits on their phone.


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I'm not a hundred percent sure how the tests were done, but was this pushing against the weak spot (as shown above)? This is where the phone would bend in your pocket. Sure, for any significant and instant bending, it might require more than what it would normally face. But it's a huge phone, and I can imagine that even walking would put pressure on it. On a hot day, after an hour or so of this pressure, it would probably be slightly warped.


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[Fr0gburp3r]

When the phone is in your pocket, the fulcrum is not going to be on the one spot where his thumb is. The stress would be applied over a greater area. Unless you have some type of object in your pocket with your phone that just so happens be at that exact spot at the right time. What would be the chances of that?

 

[LeoRex]

Like water finds the lowest point, stress finds the weakest point. Those three point tests are focusing stress on a predetermined point, which may or may not be a weak point....

I'd rather see a test that was run on all these phones that applied the loads on the point that was most likely to fail.

 

[JeffDenver]

CR has shown that it takes 90 lbs to bend a 6+, which is well above any pocket pressure, unless some id**t sits on their phone.

They've shown that it takes 90 lbs to bend a 6+ if you apply pressure exactly at the center.

Your pocket will not discriminate on where it will apply pressure. The phone will bend where it is weakest. If you wear tight jeans (and lets be honest...the phone is so big that most jeans will be tight), the chances of applying pressure in the right places to bend it are a lot greater.

The CR test was inaccurate for that reason.

 

[Nerf72]

The whole affair is an exercise in misinformation, misunderstanding and armchair pontification.

Nice to see Apple being nice about it though. Just ask computerbild.de about the lovely letter to Tim they wrote....

 

[Edgar702]

They've shown that it takes 90 lbs to bend a 6+ if you apply pressure exactly at the center.

Your pocket will not discriminate on where it will apply pressure. The phone will bend where it is weakest. If you wear tight jeans (and lets be honest...the phone is so big that most jeans will be tight), the chances of applying pressure in the right places to bend it are a lot greater.

The CR test was inaccurate for that reason.

There sure are a lot of engineers on here. CR was not the only tests done, anyway.


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[TomsAndroid]

The whole affair is an exercise in misinformation, misunderstanding and armchair pontification.

Nice to see Apple being nice about it though. Just ask computerbild.de about the lovely letter to Tim they wrote....

Where did you see this (sorry)? I can't read the website


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[UJ95x]

Where did you see this (sorry)? I can't read the website


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http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/...BILD-An-open-letter-to-Tim-Cook-10953399.html

 

[JeffDenver]

There sure are a lot of engineers on here.

The flaws in the test are so obvious even non-engineers can see them. Thats why they are fooling no one.

CR was not the only tests done, anyway.

Show me a test that was not done in the center of the phone.

According to Forbes...it's not over.

The hypothesis is not: The iPhone 6 Plus isn’t prone to bending under focused stress (trying to fold it in half). That means we need to minimise the force directly under a loading point so there isn’t premature failure (deformation) along the middle of the phone. We can then ask the following:

Does a phone consist of a uniform material?
Does a pocket focus stress at a central point?

The answer to both questions is ‘No’. First, a phone is made of multiple components, which is closer to a composite material than a sample with a uniform internal structure (like plastic). Second, squeezing a phone between your pants and thigh spreads force across the whole surface of the device, it’s not concentrated along the middle (unless your phone is sideways and you happen to have super-sharp thighs).

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Consumer Reports should be commended for its scientific approach. They measure forces, their tests are consistent, and their results suggest the iPhone 6 Plus isn’t prone to bending. But headlines stating that this puts bendgate to bed are premature. No matter how rigorous the methodology, you can’t draw the right conclusions from the wrong hypothesis. Trying to fold a phone in half – whether that’s between your hands or on a workbench – doesn’t replicate normal use.

... At this stage, it’s still too early to conclude from independent tests that bendgate doesn’t exist.

iPhone 6 Bendgate Isn't Over. It's Missing A Scientific Test - Forbes

 

[Edgar702]

We have Bendgate for Apple, and Gapgate for Samsung, lol!


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[TomsAndroid]

We have Bendgate for Apple, and Gapgate for Samsung, lol!


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Ah, but that's a "feature" http://bgr.com/2014/09/30/samsung-galaxy-note-4-gap/

Not nearly as big as issue as a bent phone, either way.


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[JeffDenver]

We have Bendgate for Apple, and Gapgate for Samsung, lol!

Except that one results in actual damage to the phone and the other doesn't. Thats why no one cares about gapgate.

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

Except that one results in actual damage to the phone and the other doesn't. Thats why no one cares about gapgate.

Apple = Shark, Android = Barracuda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB8m0CI4Kfg

One results in something that can avoided with care. The other comes that way from the factory.

 

[JeffDenver]

Apple = Shark, Android = Barracuda

One results in something that can avoided with care. The other comes that way from the factory.

What problems does the gap cause?

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

What problems does the gap cause?

Dust and lint under the screen. Even if a little drop of liquid seeps into that gap, it could cause problems. In cold weather, moisture tends to build up on the device if stored in your pocket from your body heat. That gap could allow moisture under the display. Sweat from working out could be a hazard. It needs to be sealed correctly.