Is the camera any better?

[Casey Cheung]

I'm going to cheat and use my DSLR

I'm gonna use my Canon 100mm f2.8 L MACRO lens!

 

[Squarrow]

Whenever possible, always check out the device in person. I was playing around with the camera of the S20 at a local Best Buy store. The Samsung sales rep told me the camera has a 100X zoom. I asked her if that meant 100X optical, which I doubt, or digital zoom, or a combination of both. She didn't know the answer. So many of those Samsung reps working at the Samsung booth of a Best Buy store are usually clueless cuz they just "graduated" from Samsung training school. I usually know way more than any of those revolving Samsung reps. I say revolving cuz they don't last long, at least from what I can tell. Sure enough, the S20 does have a 100X zoom. But I noticed very quickly that once you get past 30x zoom (optical or digital?), the image quality degrades rapidly as you get anywhere near 100X. At the full 100X max zoom, the image is so pixelated and blurry on the screen that it's laughable...downright un-usable. So sure, the phone has 100X zoom and a gazillion megapixels. But the image is un-usable at full magnification. Don't even attempt to make even a small 4x6" print from it. This is why real photographers have real cameras, not cell phone cameras. Disclaimer: I am a "real" photographer, LOL!

What life value do you derive through this particular brand of soft passive aggressiveness. You belittle people who are trying to make a living working at best buy and tout your being a "real" photographer. Like who hurt you mate.

"Oh wahh, ppl are going to be posting 100x pictures." So tf what!? This is ANDROIDCentral, not CrabassCentral. Calm down.

 

[Rukbat]

"Oh wahh, ppl are going to be posting 100x pictures."

Which is why they sell 80X mirror zoom lenses for cameras? The phone is speced at 108MP but only 10X optical zoom and "up to" 100X digital zoom. 100X digital zoom = "get a good look at what a pixel looks like". That's taking a picture meant for a 6.9" screen and enlarging the picture to 690" (57.5 feet) and looking at it from a few inches away. Squarrow was right - that "image" would be unusable - at best. (100X optical zoom is possible - but not in a cellphone. We'd need something with at least 10 times the refraction index of glass to do that, and "slow glass" isn't in the works, it's fiction.)

 

[robinhelenehebert]

Was just wondering about that...thanks for the update.

Whenever possible, always check out the device in person. I was playing around with the camera of the S20 at a local Best Buy store. The Samsung sales rep told me the camera has a 100X zoom. I asked her if that meant 100X optical, which I doubt, or digital zoom, or a combination of both. She didn't know the answer. So many of those Samsung reps working at the Samsung booth of a Best Buy store are usually clueless cuz they just "graduated" from Samsung training school. I usually know way more than any of those revolving Samsung reps. I say revolving cuz they don't last long, at least from what I can tell. Sure enough, the S20 does have a 100X zoom. But I noticed very quickly that once you get past 30x zoom (optical or digital?), the image quality degrades rapidly as you get anywhere near 100X. At the full 100X max zoom, the image is so pixelated and blurry on the screen that it's laughable...downright un-usable. So sure, the phone has 100X zoom and a gazillion megapixels. But the image is un-usable at full magnification. Don't even attempt to make even a small 4x6" print from it. This is why real photographers have real cameras, not cell phone cameras. Disclaimer: I am a "real" photographer, LOL!

 

[DanielLoreti]

Anyone see this one yet? https://youtu.be/Ert92uzZP50

 

[James Rogers2]

S20 Ultra Images, so...I stepped out of the building and shot these one after another. I'm going to try and have them upload in order. Make sure you look at the first pic and see where the subject of the zoom is located.

Also ...shout out to all Yinz. If you know, you know.

Order is standard > 30X > 100X

Hey! Primanti Bros, you have to be in Pittsburgh.

 

[Mike Dee]

Which is why they sell 80X mirror zoom lenses for cameras? The phone is speced at 108MP but only 10X optical zoom and "up to" 100X digital zoom. 100X digital zoom = "get a good look at what a pixel looks like". That's taking a picture meant for a 6.9" screen and enlarging the picture to 690" (57.5 feet) and looking at it from a few inches away. Squarrow was right - that "image" would be unusable - at best. (100X optical zoom is possible - but not in a cellphone. We'd need something with at least 10 times the refraction index of glass to do that, and "slow glass" isn't in the works, it's fiction.)

We know it's not an optical zoom. Please look at some actual review samples before passing judgement on what's usable or not. Also since you have 10X optical and 100X optical it doesnt directly translate to a 100x crop as in your example going from a 6.9" to a 690" screen.

 

[Golurk]

The Samsung S20(+)/S20 Ultra have a 1.7 and 2.9x larger sensor size than the S10 respectively. That’s a huge upgrade in itself, especially in low light. Add in the very good optical, hybrid and digital zoom and even more megapixels, the camera setup looks formidable, at least on paper.

 

[paulwilko10]

The Samsung S20(+)/S20 Ultra have a 1.7 and 2.9x larger sensor size than the S10 respectively. That’s a huge upgrade in itself, especially in low light. Add in the very good optical, hybrid and digital zoom and even more megapixels, the camera setup looks formidable, at least on paper.

It's the "On Paper" bit that is a worry.
I was not blown away by the S10 camera compared to the S9+ but that was also much better on paper

 

[jtcannonball]

It's the "On Paper" bit that is a worry.
I was not blown away by the S10 camera compared to the S9+ but that was also much better on paper

My Note 10+ camera takes very good photos, it's not the level consistently that my Pixel or iPhone 11 Pro Max takes but it wasn't garbage. If they were able to make the sensors and pixels larger than I believe the majority of people will be pleased with the results as most of my non-tech forum friends think their S9 through S10 phones take great photos. We are the minority and pick at things most do not. I believe they will be better, but to us I don't know if they will be perfect. After all perfect seems to be the unicorn that alludes most everybody on this forum.

 

[msm0511]

Which is why they sell 80X mirror zoom lenses for cameras? The phone is speced at 108MP but only 10X optical zoom and "up to" 100X digital zoom. 100X digital zoom = "get a good look at what a pixel looks like". That's taking a picture meant for a 6.9" screen and enlarging the picture to 690" (57.5 feet) and looking at it from a few inches away. Squarrow was right - that "image" would be unusable - at best. (100X optical zoom is possible - but not in a cellphone. We'd need something with at least 10 times the refraction index of glass to do that, and "slow glass" isn't in the works, it's fiction.)

It's not even really 10X optical from everything I've read.

 

[mustang7757]

Ive seen a few YouTube results, its impressive.

 

[Mike Dee]

It's not even really 10X optical from everything I've read.

It's a Voodoo lens

 

[Mike Dee]

Ive seen a few YouTube results, its impressive.

Have you checked out the videos from Moment?

They are going to experiment with some of their add on lenses this weekend to see if they work with the new sensor.

 

[mustang7757]

Have you checked out the videos from Moment?

They are going to experiment with some of their add on lenses this weekend to see if they work with the new sensor.

No not yet , just choose random ones that are not famous YouTuber see what they think and compared to the bigger YouTubers ..so far i like what I see .

 

[Mike Dee]

No not yet , just choose random ones that are not famous YouTuber see what they think and compared to the bigger YouTubers ..so far i like what I see .

Yes, so do I.

 

[criminal_bg]

i really did not read all the responses in this, but camera has been one of the specs on smart phones over the last 3-5 years which i have been paying alot of attention to. i was always amazed by how pixel phones take great pics with jus 1 physical camera. who ever is coding their algorithms are doing a great job. Samsung has great physical cameras but it was not until the S20 line did we see those added. the question rightly remains, is Samsung software processing going to give out better results. just imagine having that pixel algorithm with the new cams the S20 has. once samsung can up their game in that department, there is nothing the pixel would have over them.

 

[dendron01]

Pixel seems to have the best point and shoot on Android and Samsung the best video. Apple is good all round but not the best at any one thing. No matter which device you get, somewhere there will be a compromise.

Is an upgrade worth it? It really all depends on what device you are currently using and whether or not you are able or willing to spend the money.

 

[L0n3N1nja]

It's the "On Paper" bit that is a worry.
I was not blown away by the S10 camera compared to the S9+ but that was also much better on paper

Not sure where you got specs from but on paper the S10 has the same camera specs as the S9. Same pixel count, sensor size, pixel size, aperture, etc. There's a reason performance was near identical.

 

[Casey Cheung]

Food for thought just in case anyone thinks high megapixel count is the end all be all.

The new $6,500 Canon EOS-1D X Mark III DSLR camera is only...wait for it...wait, wait, wait some more... 20.1 MP.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...tml/BI/20079/KBID/13844/SID/UUacUvbUpU6742055