Its Official. The S21 Was A MAJOR Bust! The ship is sinking!

[Chuck Finley69]

My money, my sense

Yes if a company fails to offer me something that suits my need, I tend to change brands even if the new one doesn’t suits me as well. If I have to buy a new phone without SD card and without SPen, so, for me, iPhone is the “less bad” option.

My point is: somebody said above high end customers who buys flagship phones regularly won’t abandon Samsung ship for the iPhone one because of Samsung’s last bad decisions. Well, I did it, and so did my wife, who sold her S20 for an iPhone too. So, Samsung lost, at least, two high end regular customers lately. Not a big deal, though, as we don’t have any loyalty to any brand and will be ready to come back as soon Samsung release a phone that suits us in a minimally affordable price.

The reality is that as needs change so do importance of certain features. The value proposition of iOS for many becomes the reason to leave and the quoted missing features are just the last excuse of what really are many other poorly implemented or missing features. That’s why the OEMs remove things. In the end, the OEMs have the supporting data. It’s why Google slowly resembles Apple but also why the reverse is true as well for some features and for others, it’s why both companies have different strategies.

 

[Mr Segundus]

It's no surprise that by making the phone cheaper by removing the most important features which make the phone unique (micro SD and MST Samsung Pay) are causing a major sales decline. Samsung is going to follow up this collosal mistake by not making the Note. The ship is seriously sinking for Samsung.

There's a lot of us loyal Samsung buyers for many years that boycotted 2021 because they removed these features and it shows in the sales data. The S21 was a downgrade!!!

Screw you Samsung! You can take it where the sun doesn't shine! I hate you for what you did to the S21 and Note line.

If there is a silver lining, Samsung will recognize this and bring back the micro SD. They are playing the same broken record from the S4 & S5 so far. They brought back micro SD in the S7. I do believe it will be back. Unfortunately I don't think MST is coming back.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...-47-decline-from-the-Galaxy-S10.553155.0.html

I actually just got rid of my iPhone 12 Pro Max for an S21 Ultra just because Apple claims they're all about "privacy" yet will be scanning all your photos for illicit images. Sure, it may be done for good purposes, right now, but who's to say they won't abuse it later? At least with Android, I can upload my photos to my Samsung laptop right onto the 512GB microSD card without issue.

Plus, iPhone was feeling stale and I needed to migrate over after a couple of years.

 

[J Dubbs]

I actually just got rid of my iPhone 12 Pro Max for an S21 Ultra just because Apple claims they're all about "privacy" yet will be scanning all your photos for illicit images. Sure, it may be done for good purposes, right now, but who's to say they won't abuse it later? At least with Android, I can upload my photos to my Samsung laptop right onto the 512GB microSD card without issue.

Plus, iPhone was feeling stale and I needed to migrate over after a couple of years.

Yep Apple's new tactics are going to drive a lot of iPhone users away.... they've taken a giant step down the slippery slope and there's no stepping back Pandora's privacy box has officially been opened, and the self proclaimed King's of privacy are the ones that have done it :-\

 

[Morty2264]

So, nothing to do with COVID or the general decline in smartphone sales or a shortage of chips, worldwide, then?

Samsung records $10.9bn profit in Q2, 2021 despite 22.4% decline in smartphone sales

I think the economy practically collapsing caused a decline in sales of smartphone products worldwide - not a mass negative perception of the S21 line. Will there be some who dislike it? Sure! But lots of people had to tighten their budgets over the past year and a half - myself included. I think that's a more feasible reason.

 

[ThrottleJohnny]

Who said it's going to be 1600-1800? Try 2400:
https://www.tomsguide.com/amp/news/...ipped-by-leaker-and-you-probably-wont-like-it

Again, if they sell a third of what they sell of the Note, it's a hit.

 

[donm527]

Again, if they sell a third of what they sell of the Note, it's a hit.

$1800 bucks from Marques's mouth. Ugh... add $100 or $200 I am guessing for the Pro Pen and another... $70 for the case that holds the pen... we're talking $2000 min for a Note replacement that went for $1300. And it doesn't sound like the front glass is S-Pen capable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek9bmIlDens

 

[Mr Segundus]

Yep Apple's new tactics are going to drive a lot of iPhone users away.... they've taken a giant step down the slippery slope and there's no stepping back Pandora's privacy box has officially been opened, and the self proclaimed King's of privacy are the ones that have done it :-\

Exactly. Many Apple users aren't happy with that.

 

[ThrottleJohnny]

$1800 bucks from Marques's mouth. Ugh... add $100 or $200 I am guessing for the Pro Pen and another... $70 for the case that holds the pen... we're talking $2000 min for a Note replacement that went for $1300. And it doesn't sound like the front glass is S-Pen capable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek9bmIlDens

Anyone that thought Samsung was going to drop the price 1,000+ dollars in one generation, so that then previous Samsung owners could trade in their current device and take home a brand new Z Fold for $500, was dreaming lol.

 

[felloffthetruck]

$1800 bucks from Marques's mouth. Ugh... add $100 or $200 I am guessing for the Pro Pen and another... $70 for the case that holds the pen... we're talking $2000 min for a Note replacement that went for $1300. And it doesn't sound like the front glass is S-Pen capable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek9bmIlDens

I won't be buying one

 

[Mike Dee]

I disagree. The same thing happened before when Samsung cut features such as infafed tv remote and micro SD out of the S6. Sales plummeted. Samsung recognized this and brought the features back. Sales came back. Samsung for the past many years have had features that no other phone had which made it stand out and sell. MST + NFC is significantly better than NFC alone. It makes carrying a wallet/credit cards obsolete. NFC does not. This is one of the reasons I won't switch. If you take all these nuanced features out, it's the same phone as the all the other brand androids. I keep saying a lot of people understand this and are holding their 2020 Samsung phones and not upgrading in 2021 for the first time. That's a fact. And the significant drop in sales shows this.

A lot of the hard core people that buy Samsung's are techies and understand the different features. Those people that are not buying the S21 are not buying an iphone. They are keeping their S20/Note 20. I'm not saying people aren't switching from Android to Iphone. Just not the techies that spend big money every year to upgrade to the best Samsung. They will never buy an iphone.

What Samsung has done in 2021 is taking a step toward being an LG phone. What will Samsung do in 2022? Cut more features out to make up for lost sales or add features back. It's an easy decision. Customers have spoke with their wallets loud and clear!!!!!

Do you hear us Samsung?

I use MST and SD but that wouldnt stop me from buying a device that didn't have those features.

 

[Mike Dee]

Samsung going th way of LG??

I mean the Chinese are eating away at their bread and butter mid and low range. They can't compete in the flagship market.

Sounds crazy but you never know. They need to reorganize., I feel they sell too many types of phones. Dunno. We will see.

I don't think the sky is falling just yet

 

[Mike Dee]

If it can happen to LG, it can happen to anyone... except Apple.

I envision a future where both Samsung and Sony decide it's too much of a headache/loss to remain the the smartphone market and pull out.

I'll say it again, Android is on the way out. Pretty soon your choice will be an iPhone or an iPhone. Mark my words.

Sony i could see easily....Samsung not so much, however phones aren't their only vehicle so anything is possible.

 

[ThrottleJohnny]

Iphone sales are up 50% so the answer is no. People have had a lot of money to spend and it was NOT on Samsung phones.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/apple-reports-a-50-year-over-year-jump-in-iphone-sales/

You don't realize how loyal a lot of Samsung users are to certain features of their phones. There are a LOT of people who are and they viewed the S21 as a downgrade from the S20. A lot of people are sticking to their 2020 Samsung phones including me with my Note 20 Ultra.

Samsung has broken their relationship with their most die hard customers of the company. You can not cut your way to growth but that's what Samsung tried to do and it back fired.

The ship is sinking. Samsung can plug most of the hole by bringing back the micro SD and patch it completely by bringing back micro SD & MST. Otherwise things will decline further and very possibly affect other parts of the business. Does it matter if you get a Samsung TV if you stop buying Samsung phones? Not as much.

Wrong again ...

https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-q3-2021-earnings

 

[ThrottleJohnny]

Z Fold too expensive for the masses. And honestly I don't think most wil really want a phone that big. If people thinking $1200 is high for an S21 then you're not going to get the numbers on a $1600 to $1800 phone.

https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-q3-2021-earnings

 

[vimagreg]

Really, maybe Samsung was wright. S21 could be a miss, but the new foldables certainly are not.

And… I’m writing this on my Fold3

 

[gray2018]

I definitely wouldn't purchase any device in the S21 line. I have had one device without a micro SD card, the Oneplus 8, and I won't ever do that again. No expandable storage, no charger in the box, no MST, less RAM than the S20 line and no quad HD resolution for the non ultra versions and still ridiculously expensive. Yeah I'll pass.

If I were to purchase any of the S21 line, it'd be the Ultra. That being said, it's still not gonna happen. I need the SD card. It makes life so much easier if you ever need to factory data reset your device and you have hundreds or thousands of pictures stored that you want to hang on to like in my case. Even though it's not a deal-breaker for me, having MST is nice if you at least want the option to use it.

I currently have the Note 10+ and it does everything I need with no issues. If I were to "upgrade," I would go with a Samsung device newer than mine, but still old enough to where it has the features I need like the micro SD card slot. Would probably get the Note 20 Ultra or S20+.

My guess is that Samsung will probably bring these features back on their next line of devices.

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

Wrong again ...

https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-q3-2021-earnings

I can't believe you've done this.

 

[ThrottleJohnny]

I can't believe you've done this.

Woke up feeling spicy lol

 

[vimagreg]

I definitely wouldn't purchase any device in the S21 line. I have had one device without a micro SD card, the Oneplus 8, and I won't ever do that again. No expandable storage, no charger in the box, no MST, less RAM than the S20 line and no quad HD resolution for the non ultra versions and still ridiculously expensive. Yeah I'll pass.

If I were to purchase any of the S21 line, it'd be the Ultra. That being said, it's still not gonna happen. I need the SD card. It makes life so much easier if you ever need to factory data reset your device and you have hundreds or thousands of pictures stored that you want to hang on to like in my case. Even though it's not a deal-breaker for me, having MST is nice if you at least want the option to use it.

I currently have the Note 10+ and it does everything I need with no issues. If I were to "upgrade," I would go with a Samsung device newer than mine, but still old enough to where it has the features I need like the micro SD card slot. Would probably get the Note 20 Ultra or S20+.

My guess is that Samsung will probably bring these features back on their next line of devices.

Yes, I miss microSD slot. A lot. And I believe it will return next year, too. Or, better said, I hope that.

 

[mustang7757]

[Did a clean up , let's stay on the topic]