lol, for someone who's very particular about his camera, you definitely have a lot to say about people that prefer a larger battery!
LG Nexus 5 Specs: Snapdragon 808, 5.2 1080p, 3GB RAM, 2700mah battery
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lol, for someone who's very particular about his camera, you definitely have a lot to say about people that prefer a larger battery!
There's also a lot of discussion on here about specs other than the battery being disappointing for this phone. I'm actually thinking with the new features in marshmallow and only being a 1080p screen and the Snapdragon 808, battery life is probably going to be at least a day of usage for most people. Does that mean I wouldn't like more? Heck yeah, I'd love to see a 3500 mili amp hour battery in every phone as a minimum. Even though everything about this phone pretty much seems very appealing to me, I just replaced the battery in my original moto X after having it for about 2 years and I hadn't realized how much the battery had degraded until I had that done. It now easily gets me through my day again with 20 to 30% left. And I don't work in an office so the charge that is on my phone when I get out of my truck in the morning to go to work is all I have for a 10 hour day. In regards to price, based on the cost of the new moto X pure edition, I think this phone will probably be about $50-$70 more than that based on the added features it has. I really hope Google realizes that this is a mid $400 phone. It would be awesome if it was the same price as the original Nexus 5 though. We will just have to see since we don't know. The only thing that is pushing me to purchase a new phone, is the fact that I want the most recent Android updates. I really love my original moto X. Even after two years it still runs smooth and silky and does everything I need a phone to do. But, I think lollipop will be the last update for it.
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And so... I conclude my day like a end every day, saying to myself "why spend so much energy speculating when it will be confirmed in just a few weeks"
Then I wake up the next day and read speculations all over again...
Then I wake up the next day and read speculations all over again...
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But battery power and functionality isn't solely based on the mAH but yet people FREAK OUT when they see a lot number just like a camera isn't solely based on MP. I'll never go nuts like this entire thread is the camera's MP are low. I'm more informed than that.
considering the LG Nexus 4 had bad battery life, and LG Nexus 5 had bad battery life, if the 2700 rumor holds true, I wouldn't just magically expect decent battery life. I'm n also considering the fact that every new OS claims a significant improvement in battery life. if it goes from 3 hours SOT to 3.5, I guess technically that's an improvement, it's just not something I can get excited about.
It looks like stepping down the battery, camera by mp and display. It looks like they taking a page out Motorola's play book. I am little more optimistic about life. I have been staying that LG G4 battery life what we should expected but with changes the Nexus 5 could have decently improved battery life over the G4.
I know my man, I'm just messing around and I hear ya ... agreed, mAh doesn't tell the whole story, but there's only so much you can get from 2700 mAh ... we keep going back and forth on the same issue, so I'll agree to disagree, but there's two issues I have. the first is, let's just say you're right, and Google magically improves battery life, let's say by 33%. OK great, so then we're taking about instead of 3 hours SOT we get 4. personally, that doesn't excite me. if that's good for you, great, but for me it doesn't work.
just like I might be fine with a certain camera, and u would expect more, I'm not fine with 4 hours SOT, I wish I was, but I'm just not and I'm not gonna pretend to be content.
point 2, and my MAIN issue. let's assume that 33% holds true (insert: I do believe M will produce better battery life. not sure by how much, but I don't question that) ... instead of using a 2700 mAh battery and settling for a slight increase, how about jacking it up to 3500 and getting in the 6 hours range? I mean, why not? is a 2mm thinner phone that important?
also, I've read a post from you claiming a full day, almost 2 days it would last you. I don't remember the exact post, but the point is, if you can even mention 24 hours, let alone closer to 2 days, on ANY phone either currently being used on Android in the US, or any rumored device, then we clearly have very different usage patterns.
I want 2 things, stock and a full days charge. I'm realizing that isn't gonna happen, and I'll adjust accordingly, but you keep mentioning efficiency, quite honestly, is insulting. if u think I'm gonna wait for reviews or to see M before reaching the conclusion that 2700 is nowhere near sufficient, that's just not gonna happen.
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Yeah, I'm not "magically" expecting anything. The Nexus line has a horrible track record in the battery department. I would prefer the smaller device but I'll end up with whichever Nexus gets the most SOT.
I'm currently using a Z3c and it has probably the best battery life of any phone I've used. 2600mah battery with a 4.6" 720 screen though...
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agreed ... and I didn't mean to come off condescending with the word magically, that was aimed at Google, not you or anybody here.
but yeah, I'm up in the air right now but I'll find a balance of SOT and stock/near stock before deciding.
I just wish one of these days Nexus will drop the hammer. I mean, who wouldn't have loved a 3300 battery in this thing? all for what? a slightly thinner phone? I get it on the phones meant for Joe Public, but the Nexus was always supposed to be a niche product for devs, that leaked into a subculture of stock enthusiasts ... the slightest effort would've led them to realize we can care less about thin phones.
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I'm 100% on board with a large battery Nexus. It would be a dream come true. I'm starting to wonder if part of the issue is stock Android itself though...hear me out:
When the N6 was released I was bummed because of its size, so much so that it is the first Nexus I haven't owned. Later I found that Motorola released a GSM version of the Droid Maxx, the XT1225. It has a 5.2" qhd screen paired with a 3900mah battery and near stock Android experience, perfection right? Guess again. SOT was average at best and for some reason Motorola really struggled with releasing updates for that phone. My point is battery life on that device should have been phenomenal looking at the specs alone, but it just wasn't
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Bigger doesn't mean better battery life. I will just assumed by your statement "plus it's removable" your saying the G4 is better and what I stated earlier is wrong?
A removable battery is nice and is preference. I don't believe a phone with removable battery is better than one that doesn't because I prefer not have to carry extra batter or put one in. Again that is just my preface.
I'm not suggesting anybody is right or wrong. all things being equal, yeah, I'd prefer a removable battery.
I've been consistently saying the same thing though, that if things are so well optimized and so efficient, you know, the 2 buzzwords of 2015 that quite frankly I'm sick of, then why not slightly increased the thickness and include a larger battery?
let's just say for arguments sake, they made a phone that gets12 hours SOT but was as thick as a credit card. I'd argue that they should've doubled the thickness, doubled the battery, and have it go 24 hours.
an extreme and unrealistic example, but you get my point.
as far as removable batteries, I never expected one, but it being sealed is all the more reason for a larger battery. in a year, the SOT will be bad, in 2 it'll be worse.
I'm 100% on board with a large battery Nexus. It would be a dream come true. I'm starting to wonder if part of the issue is stock Android itself though...hear me out:
When the N6 was released I was bummed because of its size, so much so that it is the first Nexus I haven't owned. Later I found that Motorola released a GSM version of the Droid Maxx, the XT1225. It has a 5.2" qhd screen paired with a 3900mah battery and near stock Android experience, perfection right? Guess again. SOT was average at best and for some reason Motorola really struggled with releasing updates for that phone. My point is battery life on that device should have been phenomenal looking at the specs alone, but it just wasn't
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I don't think that's unrealistic to think at all ... that's crossed my mind before.
we have no clue what goes on behind closed doors. it wouldn't shock me one bit if Google and Moto, or Google and Verizon, or whatever parties involved agree that one phone specialize in one thing, while another specializes in another.
obviously OEMs wouldn't make the same arrangements, but Android, carriers, and a specific OEM, that makes total sense.
as much as I moan and groan about battery life, trust me, I get it. this is business, big business. it's about selling phones and making money.
that dream phone that checked all the boxes and had a 4500 mAh replaceable battery would be great for me and you. barring some major technological feature, it'd last me 48 months. that's the last thing they want!
Honestly, I would be satisfied if it could eke out 4 hours of screen on time. It's a significant step up from the 2 1/2 hours of screen on time I get from my 2013 Nexus 5.
yeah but after a year where would that 4 hours be (that's not sarcasm. I have a nexus 4, not 5, so actually curious)?
what's frustrating is that I'm not picky, and I get the feeling you, and most of us on these Nexus threads, aren't either.
I'm willing to compromise more than most. aesthetics, display, camera, size, wireless charging, processor, RAM, memory, NFC, USB-C, fingerprint sensor, removable batteries, SD slots, rear buttons, glass backs, and everything else, I can compromise.
just stock and battery, that's all I want. I also prefer front speakers and quick charge, but even that's negotiable.
I'll have to compromise more though, and find the right balance between stock, battery, bloatware and carrier branding. updates aren't as important as they once were, so if I have to deal with a Verizon logo and minimal bloat, I might go in that direction rather than settling for 2700 mAh and 32GB.
I'll wait for reviews before making any decision though. maybe M will shock us all and we'll see a dramatic improvement.
that said, efficiency, battery size and thin phones are all obviously interrelated, and where I feel OEMs can do a better job synchronizing.
for example, give me 8 hours SOT. if the battery is let's say 3500 and the phones slightly thicker than what were seeing today, well I'm happy with that.
take that same phone, make it thinner, 2800 and we'll say 4 hours SOT, obviously I'm not gonna be as happy.
now, cut that phone in half, make the battery 1400, but android M is so efficient that we get 12 hours SOT. the thing is, it's slightly thicker than a credit card.
despite having the longest SOT, and me being first in line to preorder it, I'd actually have a major problem with it. I'd argue that they should've made it thicker, used a bigger battery, and we can get 24 hours. I know it's an unrealistic example, but u get the point.
this is why every time I hear somebody mention efficiency, or suggesting we wait and see, why I argue the point. efficiency and battery size should be independent from one another.
give me the best efficiency and optimization possible, but also give me a big battery. if that results in 4 hours SOT, then so be it. but if the phone is thinner than a pancake, it's tough to accept a 2700 mAh battery when obviously there's plenty of room for a larger one.
Understand fully what your saying. The only reason "optimize" is keyword because there devices that back that explain. There are examples why bigger battery is not always better. So what it comes down to is industry trend is bigger but thinners devices. This means smaller and non removable battery. Then have device for example the note line showing they can decrease battery size and go non removable but still have same great battery life. Furthermore that battery life be practically same on 1-5 Note. This equal "optimization" so people just tend to back on optimization rather than a bigger battery because industry is not going bigger with batteries.
Optimization is just runner up for sell X device didn't get bigger battery but X device with optimization proved it can be done on smaller battery.
This well thought debate between phone size,battery size and optimization.
People have had point out some really good points.
Does stock Android hinder battery life well?
G2 and Nexus 5 is 3000mah vs 2300mah but in both have very similar battery life. So I don't believe stock Android OS hinders battery life but their something to be said about Note Line because what are they doing on top stock Android to have such great battery life.
Using the Note Line as examples again the Note 4 and Nexus 6 were very very similar internally. There chip,memory, and display technology were the same but Gsmarena has Nexus 6 @ 70hr Battery life Endurance score but Note 4 90hr score. That is significant difference so what happened. The LG G2 and Nexus 5 have similar battery life and Nexus 5 has smaller battery. So why the difference between Nexus 6 and Note 4. Their is difference between manufactory and software. So we can't make a real apples to apples comparison.
Well lets look back at Google play edition devices. We have HTC One and S4 play edition devices with stock Android (or close enough for argument sake). The verge and many popular reviewers found significant difference between OEM battery life and play edition counter parts. So can't really say if stock Android is a issue hindering battery life one Nexus devices. There no good example showing that stock Android is the problem.
People have had point out some really good points.
Does stock Android hinder battery life well?
G2 and Nexus 5 is 3000mah vs 2300mah but in both have very similar battery life. So I don't believe stock Android OS hinders battery life but their something to be said about Note Line because what are they doing on top stock Android to have such great battery life.
Using the Note Line as examples again the Note 4 and Nexus 6 were very very similar internally. There chip,memory, and display technology were the same but Gsmarena has Nexus 6 @ 70hr Battery life Endurance score but Note 4 90hr score. That is significant difference so what happened. The LG G2 and Nexus 5 have similar battery life and Nexus 5 has smaller battery. So why the difference between Nexus 6 and Note 4. Their is difference between manufactory and software. So we can't make a real apples to apples comparison.
Well lets look back at Google play edition devices. We have HTC One and S4 play edition devices with stock Android (or close enough for argument sake). The verge and many popular reviewers found significant difference between OEM battery life and play edition counter parts. So can't really say if stock Android is a issue hindering battery life one Nexus devices. There no good example showing that stock Android is the problem.
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