Nexus 7 kick ipad mini's ****

[YAYTech]

The undertone of the article is an undeniable Apple Fanboyism. He even says that he can't understand why his son likes Android. To extrapolate - why anyone likes Android. If he hates Android and loves iOS, I could care less. But this piece is in no way just stating facts.

I dunno, he stated facts. It's just that the facts are simple, and only take up about a paragraph where he pretty much straight-up says that the Nexus 7 is better than the iPad Mini in every way. He just then goes on forever about how he doesn't like Android, so he wouldn't buy a N7. What baffles me most is the entire paragraph he spends explaining "Achilles heel". Did he have a required length for his article, and couldn't rant long enough about not liking Android? *rolls eyes* It's not that he has an invalid statement - he does. Some people don't like Android, or love iOS, or both, and thus the Nexus 7 isn't the right device for them. The trouble is that he took a whole article to express what could be expressed fully in 1-2 sentences.

 

[hpilot]

It's not that he has an invalid statement - he does. Some people don't like Android, or love iOS, or both, and thus the Nexus 7 isn't the right device for them.

Yes, I agree. But this is really self-evident. There is no news here - "just move on people".

 

[Farish]

Pretty much. Does anyone really still use an android device with stock keyboard it ships with. That is literally the first thing I install on each new device I get.

Exactly, I don't know how anyone could possibly put the iOS keyboard even slightly ahead of anything Android currently offers especially Swiftkey or Swype. iOS has the worst mobile keyboard hands down and i know from first hand experience having owned iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4 and iPhone 5. iOS keyboard is at least 4 years behind anything android and even WP has to offer. I guess people will justify their purchases to the point of making unbelievable claims.

I have a feeling most users use the stock keyboard and do not even care about swiftkey or other custom keyboards.

Here is a good way to reason it out.

In April, Google has stated there is 1.5 million Android Activations a day.

SwiftKey the number one selling at, hasn't broken 5 million downloads yet.

Swype hasn't broken 500K downloads yet.

Google Keyboard which is free hasn't broken 5 million downloads yet.

At this pace by the end of the year that would only represent only 2 percent of this year's activation market. I think customization great, but it is not used as much as others think. I will link to that HTC blog post when I get back about how much users actual did on their phones.

 

[ahaxton]

Swype hasn't broken 500K downloads yet.

Google Keyboard which is free hasn't broken 5 million downloads yet.

At this pace by the end of the year that would only represent only 2 percent of this year's activation market. I think customization great, but it is not used as much as others think. I will link to that HTC blog post when I get back about how much users actual did on their phones.

While I totally agree with what you're saying, in the interest of fairness, a lot of phones have Swype pre-installed. My Photon did, and it is on my HTC One as well.

 

[hpilot]

I have a feeling most users use the stock keyboard and do not even care about swiftkey or other custom keyboards.

Here is a good way to reason it out.

In April, Google has stated there is 1.5 million Android Activations a day.

SwiftKey the number one selling at, hasn't broken 5 million downloads yet.

Swype hasn't broken 500K downloads yet.

Google Keyboard which is free hasn't broken 5 million downloads yet.

At this pace by the end of the year that would only represent only 2 percent of this year's activation market. I think customization great, but it is not used as much as others think. I will link to that HTC blog post when I get back about how much users actual did on their phones.

But the point is you can if you want to - and I want to. Believe it or not, some people with mobile devices never even download a single app. I don't think they even know they can. Let's face it, the average person is a technophobe. I run into this all the time at work (in a very technical field) in the Windows vs OS-X discussions. I record any program I want from my Cable TV right on to my Windows 7 PC in HD and with no DRM using the free DVR in Windows (Media Center) and a Cablecard Tuner. This is impossible to do on any Apple product. All of this is free, yet people still go and buy inferior quality stuff on iTunes. If Apple did this, the choirs would sing, and the tears would flow in praise of the almighty Apple. Nobody even knows you can do this - sad...

 

[Lstream]

But the point is you can if you want to - and I want to. Believe it or not, some people with mobile devices never even download a single app. I don't think they even know they can. Let's face it, the average person is a technophobe. I run into this all the time at work (in a very technical field) in the Windows vs OS-X discussions. I record any program I want from my Cable TV right on to my Windows 7 PC in HD and with no DRM using the free DVR in Windows (Media Center) and a Cablecard Tuner. This is impossible to do on any Apple product. All of this is free, yet people still go and buy inferior quality stuff on iTunes. If Apple did this, the choirs would sing, and the tears would flow in praise of the almighty Apple. Nobody even knows you can do this - sad...

I like buying content off iTunes so that I know for sure that the artist's work is actually being paid for. I think they deserve it. Plus simply being on iTunes has no impact on the artists quality. If it starts out inferior, it stays inferior. If it starts out great, it stays great.

 

[hpilot]

I like buying content off iTunes so that I know for sure that the artist's work is actually being paid for. I think they deserve it. Plus simply being on iTunes has no impact on the artists quality. If it starts out inferior, it stays inferior. If it starts out great, it stays great.

I DO pay for it - I pay for the cable TV. This is NOT piracy - it is sanctioned by the content holders. When you use TIVO are you not paying for it? This is just a DVR function whereby you can watch the content on any device you own, rather than just the TV. By quality I mean the technical quality - a true High Definition picture.

 

[Lstream]

I DO pay for it - I pay for the cable TV. This is NOT piracy - it is sanctioned by the content holders. When you use TIVO are you not paying for it? This is just a DVR function whereby you can watch the content on any device you own, rather than just the TV. By quality I mean the technical quality - a true High Definition picture.

I watch 720P on a projector with a 110" screen with iTunes all the time. If I upgraded the Apple TV, I could watch 1080P if I wanted. So, not sure what what you mean by lack of true HD. What am I missing?

 

[hpilot]

I watch 720P on a projector with a 110" screen with iTunes all the time. If I upgraded the Apple TV, I could watch 1080P if I wanted. So, not sure what what you mean by lack of true HD. What am I missing?

You are missing the compression and bit rate. Resolution has very little to do with it. Just as OTA has lower compression and higher bit rate compared with cable and satellite, so does any IP streaming have the highest compression and lowest bit rate. When I render video I can choose a high bit rate or a low bit rate with the same resolution. The output quality is dramatically different with the SAME resolution. I may be pickier than most. I know many people that can't see the difference between HD and SD.

 

[Lstream]

Of course a streaming solution is higher compression ratio. That is not a limitation of iTunes or something that Apple is doing. It is reality given the bandwidth that they, Netflix and others need to deal with when delivering content in this way. Watching a movie on Blu Ray for example will always be better. But in streaming, I don't think you can make the case that iTunes is inferior to other streaming solutions.

If you are going to take a shot at iTunes users then you should really include all streaming users. Sometimes convenience trumps quality. Your solution limits you to what you can get on cable. Streaming is an entirely different value proposition. I think it is a huge stretch to be singling Apple and iTunes users out for special criticism in the world of streaming content because "they buy inferior quality stuff on iTunes". Any streaming movie content is going to be inferior in some way.

 

[anon(6174973)]

Welcome to the world of Apple

Haha I still love my Android though

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[hpilot]

Of course a streaming solution is higher compression ratio. That is not a limitation of iTunes or something that Apple is doing. It is reality given the bandwidth that they, Netflix and others need to deal with when delivering content in this way. Watching a movie on Blu Ray for example will always be better. But in streaming, I don't think you can make the case that iTunes is inferior to other streaming solutions.

If you are going to take a shot at iTunes users then you should really include all streaming users. Sometimes convenience trumps quality. Your solution limits you to what you can get on cable. Streaming is an entirely different value proposition. I think it is a huge stretch to be singling Apple and iTunes users out for special criticism in the world of streaming content because "they buy inferior quality stuff on iTunes". Any streaming movie content is going to be inferior in some way.

I have no problem with streaming services - I think they are fantastic for what they do. As you say convenience goes a long way toward compensating for lower quality. However, that is a compromise I am not willing to make if there are other solutions. To bring it full circle back to the topic, that is why I like Android - for the most part it gives you options. Most people are like lemmings and just follow the crowd and do what their friends do because it is easy.

"Your solution limits you to what you can get on cable." There is a lot on cable. I guess I am different than most people - I seldom watch movies. I watch some of the better network dramas, Discovery Channel, History Channel, Science Channel, NAT Geo, Velocity, etc. - really a lot of good content. Right now I have 180 shows recorded. I also have many hours of live concerts recorded from Palladia. Since I pay for cable anyway, why pay to stream. I travel on planes a lot, so I just copy the files to my Android device or my laptop and watch them when I have the time. (When people see that, they always ask me how I did it) Let's be honest here, if Apple made an announcement today that all Mac computers will have the capability to record directly from any Cable TV service in full HD free of charge (after paying for the cable service) and simply drag and drop any of the files to any iOS or OS-X device without restrictions, it would make headline news. Windows has been doing this for years, and nobody even knows it.

To sum up, the N7 is more attractive to me than the iPad Mini because of the better hardware, and the open nature of Android. However, most people have never even heard of the N7, so Apple will sell a boat load more iPads - sad.

 

[Farish]

Pretty much. Does anyone really still use an android device with stock keyboard it ships with. That is literally the first thing I install on each new device I get.

I have no problem with streaming services - I think they are fantastic for what they do. As you say convenience goes a long way toward compensating for lower quality. However, that is a compromise I am not willing to make if there are other solutions. To bring it full circle back to the topic, that is why I like Android - for the most part it gives you options. Most people are like lemmings and just follow the crowd and do what their friends do because it is easy.

"Your solution limits you to what you can get on cable." There is a lot on cable. I guess I am different than most people - I seldom watch movies. I watch some of the better network dramas, Discovery Channel, History Channel, Science Channel, NAT Geo, Velocity, etc. - really a lot of good content. Right now I have 180 shows recorded. I also have many hours of live concerts recorded from Palladia. Since I pay for cable anyway, why pay to stream. I travel on planes a lot, so I just copy the files to my Android device or my laptop and watch them when I have the time. (When people see that, they always ask me how I did it) Let's be honest here, if Apple made an announcement today that all Mac computers will have the capability to record directly from any Cable TV service in full HD free of charge (after paying for the cable service) and simply drag and drop any of the files to any iOS or OS-X device without restrictions, it would make headline news. Windows has been doing this for years, and nobody even knows it.

To sum up, the N7 is more attractive to me than the iPad Mini because of the better hardware, and the open nature of Android. However, most people have never even heard of the N7, so Apple will sell a boat load more iPads - sad.

Why do you assume it is an Apple issue?

There is also several ways to record tv shows on a mac mini. It is why the device is a popular htpc solution because it has such a small footprint.

Cablecard support is another story and that has nothing to do with Apple at all.

Here is Eyetv for example.

EyeTV HD | elgato.com

 

[hpilot]

Why do you assume it is an Apple issue?


Here is Eyetv for example.


EyeTV HD | elgato.com

This is a kludge. It's only a few steps away from placing your camcorder in front of the TV set to record the shows. It does NOT capture a digital recording. It uses the "analog hole". It taps the component out (analog) from your cable box (if indeed you still have a component out) and then records that in digital format. You need an infrared blaster to manually change the channel on the cable box. Plus you have to pay to use it ($20 per year for the guide). I am talking about direct support for CableCard in the operating system for direct control and direct digital recording, and with no fee to use the guide (free in Media Center). Apple does not support direct CableCard Recording - Windows does. That's my point...

"Why do you assume it is an Apple issue?" Because they chose not to support CableCard. Why would they - they want you to buy all your content from iTunes...

 

[Farish]

Pretty much. Does anyone really still use an android device with stock keyboard it ships with. That is literally the first thing I install on each new device I get.

This is a kludge. It's only a few steps away from placing your camcorder in front of the TV set to record the shows. It does NOT capture a digital recording. It uses the "analog hole". It taps the component out (analog) from your cable box (if indeed you still have a component out) and then records that in digital format. You need an infrared blaster to manually change the channel on the cable box. Plus you have to pay to use it ($20 per year for the guide). I am talking about direct support for CableCard in the operating system for direct control and direct digital recording, and with no fee to use the guide (free in Media Center). Apple does not support direct CableCard Recording - Windows does. That's my point...

Analog vs digital doesn't matter with regards to signal quality. Remember there is no 1080p broadcasted content. For HD it is either 720p or 1080i which component supports.

Also Apple doesn't employ any of the encrypted standards on HDMI so that is why there are no Cablecards available.

The crux of all this was you stated that no solution exist and I gave you one. It might be one you don't necessarily like but it does exist and it is commonly done.

 

[hpilot]

Analog vs digital doesn't matter with regards to signal quality. Remember there is no 1080p broadcasted content. For HD it is either 720p or 1080i which component supports.

Also Apple doesn't employ any of the encrypted standards on HDMI so that is why there are no Cablecards available.

The crux of all this was you stated that no solution exist and I gave you one. It might be one you don't necessarily like but it does exist and it is commonly done.

What I said was "I record any program I want from my Cable TV right on to my Windows 7 PC in HD and with no DRM using the free DVR in Windows (Media Center) and a Cablecard Tuner. This is impossible to do on any Apple product." I stand by that statement - you cannot record from a Cablecard tuner on an Apple product...

 

[Farish]

What I said was "I record any program I want from my Cable TV right on to my Windows 7 PC in HD and with no DRM using the free DVR in Windows (Media Center) and a Cablecard Tuner. This is impossible to do on any Apple product." I stand by that statement - you cannot record from a Cablecard tuner on an Apple product...


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Based on that statement can you tell me what I can't record on EyeTv that you can record?

Can you tell me how I can record off a Satellite Signal with a Cable Card, I know the EyeTv works on that.

What about products like HDHomeRun Prime that works with XBMC on the Mac?

 

[hpilot]

Based on that statement can you tell me what I can't record on EyeTv that you can record?

Can you tell me how I can record off a Satellite Signal with a Cable Card, I know the EyeTv works on that.

What about products like HDHomeRun Prime that works with XBMC on the Mac?

I have never made any such claims. I stand by my statements - they are pretty clear.

"macan,

The HDHomeRun Prime is not supported by the primary osx tv app - eyetv as they are too lazy to update their code to the new virtual channel tuning mechanism required by cablecard devices. There are likely ways to get it working (partially at least), but the forums here dont have much to do with osx. Best to look over in the home theater pc section, in the apple sub forum to get the answers you are looking for.

Unfortunately it is not trivial to get the prime working even on xbmc at this point."

 

[dc9super80]

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That's great for the times that Siri actually understands you, but at least for me and everyone in my family who's used both, Siri has trouble understanding words while Google Now understands things perfectly.

Yeh I wonder how that works because siri understands me perfectly as well even when I dont try to speak too clearly. I do have a rather neutral scene though,

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[bigdonpaul]

I am an owner of an iPad mini and a Note 2. I was really enticed by the Nexus 7. When I went to try it out, I wasn't impressed with the screen. The crispness was there but I feel the colors weren't very vivid. Does anyone share that opinion?

Also, the Nexus 7 feels too small for me. Has anyone replaced their iPad mini with the N7 and how has it worked out for you?

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