Nexus 7 will lead Android tablets to overtake the iPad

[Syrous44]

No one forces anyone to spend money, right? I don't see your point. I have the luxury of being able to afford new stuff when I want it and it fits in my budget. That's a blessing and a lot of hard work.

But if someone goes into debt, or buts an Apple product instead of paying an electric bill, how is that Apples fault? No one forces a customer to walk over to the pretty Apply display, passing all the PC's on the way.

What you are talking about is financial discretion and being able to manage money. And if someone gets "Hosed" by Apple, isn't that their fault?

It's not just Apple and technology. Take clothing for example. 80 bucks for a t-shirt, really? I can get the same thing at Wal-Mart for 3 bucks. Look at all the Nike shoes that kids commit crimes to get the money just so they can buy them.

Bottom line is no one is forcing consumers to buy an Apple product.

I totally agree with you on it being the persons fault for falling for it and spending stupidly. However, it is apples and every other company no matter what product fault because they help spin the culture of flaunting money and style. Kids that wear walmart or kmart are losers, only cool kids wear gap and tommy h and the like. Apple is pushing a lifestyle not a tech product. That's the problem.

As much as it is everyone's choice to buy what they buy. Everyone falls for it, you even admitted a few posts up that you fall for it from time to time. The point I was making and crackberrytraitor has as well, is that we are sheep and idiot consumers because we buy what we are told to buy whether through a friend, tv or print add. We no longer research or take the time buying stuff we just run out and get it. That does make us dumb. Reason for such a high average debt load.

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[NickA]

I totally agree with you on it being the persons fault for falling for it and spending stupidly. However, it is apples and every other company no matter what product fault because they help spin the culture of flaunting money and style. Kids that wear walmart or kmart are losers, only cool kids wear gap and tommy h and the like. Apple is pushing a lifestyle not a tech product. That's the problem.

As much as it is everyone's choice to buy what they buy. Everyone falls for it, you even admitted a few posts up that you fall for it from time to time. The point I was making and crackberrytraitor has as well, is that we are sheep and idiot consumers because we buy what we are told to buy whether through a friend, tv or print add. We no longer research or take the time buying stuff we just run out and get it. That does make us dumb. Reason for such a high average debt load.

I don't think we all are sheep and idiot consumers. I don't buy things because Apple or Canon or Sony have cool commercials and tell me too. I know what I'm buying, and when it's overpriced or not. I also know a good deal when I see one.

But it's not just Apple, we can all agree on that. Look at how much celebrities are paid to endorse products just to influence us to buy them. Like Tiger Woods and Shaq really drive a Buick Lacross. Apple, and everyone else pushes a lifestyle. Check out the new Nexus 7 commercial. "Wow, I can be a cool Dad camping in my back yard with my kid if I had a Nexus 7". Lifestyle is what they need to push because in reality, we really don't need a tablet as someone said a few posts back. But Google, Apple, Microsoft and others need to push a "cool" factor.

How about the Marlboro Man? A rough cowboy riding a horse. What a lifestyle that was back in the day. This kind of stuff has been going on for years.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

That is not nearly as sexy as a macbook air. that looks like something a child or transformers fan would like.

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Whaaaat? I've seen it next to a macbook air. It's literally the exact same thing but with a black rimmed display. Just thinner lighter and more powerful. I didn't pick it because it looked like an AIT, but it sure does. Like it's seriously like almost the same machine. If it looks like a transformer than the air is a decepticon.

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[crackberrytraitor]

It's only "foolish" if they can't afford it, and even then, affordability is distinct to each individual.

Recently, FLOTUS made news for wearing a $6,800 designer jacket. Is she or others who choose to pay such prices for design and brand being foolish? Do they not realize it's all just thread and fabric just like a jacket sold at Walmart or Target.

For many Apple is a proven product. It works for them. Yes it's a little more expensive but the premium is worth paying for them because it isn't enough of a big ticket purchase or a central part of their lives to do extensive research. That doesn't make them foolish. They just have other things in their lives... like making money to be able to afford such luxuries.

In their irrational animosity toward Apple, some people reach for logic that attacks the basic foundation of what makes our capitalistic system great.


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See that's what gets to me. It's not a luxury. They just fool you into thinking it's a luxury by charging way more than the competition. There are far higher quality machines being sold with better specs for a lower price. I live in a 410,000 dollar house that I own with no mortgage. I make a very healthy salary (can't give you an exact number it depend how much product I sell). And I don't go shelling out loads of money for garbage just because I can.

A better analogy would be people buying a crappier designer jacket, simply because the designer raised the price up so much that people assumed it must be awesome and cool.

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[adamfrayne182]

Whaaaat? I've seen it next to a macbook air. It's literally the exact same thing but with a black rimmed display. Just thinner lighter and more powerful. I didn't pick it because it looked like an AIT, but it sure does. Like it's seriously like almost the same machine. If it looks like a transformer than the air is a decepticon.

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My bad playa pimp. DIdn't see the other pics you posted. I just referring to that Desktop machine.

That laptop does look damn sexy.

 

[Syrous44]

I don't think we all are sheep and idiot consumers. I don't buy things because Apple or Canon or Sony have cool commercials and tell me too. I know what I'm buying, and when it's overpriced or not. I also know a good deal when I see one.

But it's not just Apple, we can all agree on that. Look at how much celebrities are paid to endorse products just to influence us to buy them. Like Tiger Woods and Shaq really drive a Buick Lacross. Apple, and everyone else pushes a lifestyle. Check out the new Nexus 7 commercial. "Wow, I can be a cool Dad camping in my back yard with my kid if I had a Nexus 7". Lifestyle is what they need to push because in reality, we really don't need a tablet as someone said a few posts back. But Google, Apple, Microsoft and others need to push a "cool" factor.

How about the Marlboro Man? A rough cowboy riding a horse. What a lifestyle that was back in the day. This kind of stuff has been going on for years.

Totally agree with you. The problem is not everyone is like us and buy on whim time and time again. You got to admit a high number of apple products are sold because its the it thing no other reason. Yes google windows everyone is at fault for this as well. And as crackberrytraitor showed in his last few posts apple is grossly overpriced for what you get. I am sorry you wont convince me it isnt and I wont convince you it is. So i relent lol.

I do believe apple will lose to google in the end and eventually google will lose to an up and comer its a cycle. Tech grows leap and bounds year to year, always something better and popular comes out.

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[natehoy]

Fanboiism aside, there is one significant difference between the Nexus 7 and most tablets.

The Nexus 7 is not being sold to make a profit on the Nexus 7.

Google is, at best, breaking even on this sale.

The point of the Nexus 7 is to get you on the Googlesphere. Buying books, movies, music, TV shows, and apps from the Googlesphere. Using Gmail and Google Maps and tons of other services so they can gather data about you and market stuff to you better.

Google is an advertising and sales company that is selling you a fondleslab at cost hoping to draw more people into the Googlesphere so Google can make more money.

I was already there - have been since Gmail was in early beta, so for me it's a great deal on a cool toy.

Like Apple, Google does not necessarily make profit their first focus - their first focus is to make things and services that people like. Then they figure out how to make money on them. In Apple's case, through generally focusing on excellent build quality and charging a premium for said quality. In Google's case, by getting the services into your hands and monetizing your use of them.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

I don't think we all are sheep and idiot consumers. I don't buy things because Apple or Canon or Sony have cool commercials and tell me too. I know what I'm buying, and when it's overpriced or not. I also know a good deal when I see one.

But it's not just Apple, we can all agree on that. Look at how much celebrities are paid to endorse products just to influence us to buy them. Like Tiger Woods and Shaq really drive a Buick Lacross. Apple, and everyone else pushes a lifestyle. Check out the new Nexus 7 commercial. "Wow, I can be a cool Dad camping in my back yard with my kid if I had a Nexus 7". Lifestyle is what they need to push because in reality, we really don't need a tablet as someone said a few posts back. But Google, Apple, Microsoft and others need to push a "cool" factor.

How about the Marlboro Man? A rough cowboy riding a horse. What a lifestyle that was back in the day. This kind of stuff has been going on for years.

Sorry to triple post, but don't you dare talk crap about the Marlboro man. Cigarettes are awesome and delicious.

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[NickA]

Totally agree with you. The problem is not everyone is like us and buy on whim time and time again. You got to admit a high number of apple products are sold because its the it thing no other reason. Yes google windows everyone is at fault for this as well. And as crackberrytraitor showed in his last few posts apple is grossly overpriced for what you get. I am sorry you wont convince me it isnt and I wont convince you it is. So i relent lol.

I do believe apple will lose to google in the end and eventually google will lose to an up and comer its a cycle. Tech grows leap and bounds year to year, always something better and popular comes out.

I do think a high number of Apple products are sold because of the little fruit logo on it. I mean, people will stand in line to get an iPhone 4s, give me a break. I was excited about the N7, but I didn't even pre-order it. I just picked it up at Staples by chance last week.

I think pretty much what you said: always something better and popular. It's Android right now for phones, and iPads for tablets. Who knows what it will be two years from now. Maybe BlackBerry 10 will be on top!

 

[giograves]

I do think a high number of Apple products are sold because of the little fruit logo on it. I mean, people will stand in line to get an iPhone 4s, give me a break. I was excited about the N7, but I didn't even pre-order it. I just picked it up at Staples by chance last week.

I think pretty much what you said: always something better and popular. It's Android right now for phones, and iPads for tablets. Who knows what it will be two years from now. Maybe BlackBerry 10 will be on top!

Wait..make an easily identifiable product, with a household name manufactured to a high quality build and polish, with a crapton of premium accessories and people aren't supposed to want one ? Because android is more "open"? For real ?

You folks seem to be seriously butthurt over Apples business model and subsequent success. Android may have the market share but they are NOT more popular than the iPhone. Please stop living in a world where AC is the universe. Thanks.




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[adamfrayne182]

I gotta agree. Apple pretty much curb stomps the competition with ONE phone and ONE tablet. While Android comes out with a million models confusing the consumer and flooding the market with Sh!t.

The Nexus 7 certainly is the model to put a dent in the iPad with its aggressive pricing and solid specs,. It has been proven that the only way to put a dent in Apple is to get real aggressive with pricing. HP Touchpad firesale started this trend. Followed by the Blackberry Playbook. And now the Nexus 7 which is a true new age tablet with solid specs and pricing. Not a has been trying to keep up like the Touchpad and Playbook are.

but I can guarantee any Android tablet.. or any tablet that goes toe to toe with the iPad at the same price will lose no matter how much better the Android tablet might be on paper. It has been proven time and time again. If Apple releases an iPad Mini at around the price it will knock out the competition yet again.

 

[NickA]

Wait..make an easily identifiable product, with a household name manufactured to a high quality build and polish, with a crapton of premium accessories and people aren't supposed to want one ? Because android is more "open"? For real ?

You folks seem to be seriously butthurt over Apples business model and subsequent success. Android may have the market share but they are NOT more popular than the iPhone. Please stop living in a world where AC is the universe. Thanks.

Dude, read all the posts in the thread and follow along or don't comment. Go back and reread my posts and then edit your reply to my post.

I'm not saying Apple doesn't make good products (again, read my prior posts), and that I am not against how Apple markets their products (again, in one of my prior posts). I'm the first one to reach for my iPad before any of my Android tablets. My reply was to @syrouse44 to his point that some people only buy Apple because it's Apple. Not to beat the dead horse, but you really need to read all the posts to stay in the conversation. Jus' sayin'

 

[NickA]

... but I can guarantee any Android tablet.. or any tablet that goes toe to toe with the iPad at the same price will lose no matter how much better the Android tablet might be on paper. It has been proven time and time again. If Apple releases an iPad Mini at around the price it will knock out the competition yet again.

This is an accurate paragraph. Take a look through the recent threads on any Android forum; people are holding off on the N7 because of a RUMORED iPad mini. Apple's marketing is brilliant: they don't even have to spend a dime on advertising and their products generate a buzz. Even products that may or may not exist.

 

[adamfrayne182]

This is an accurate paragraph. Take a look through the recent threads on any Android forum; people are holding off on the N7 because of a RUMORED iPad mini. Apple's marketing is brilliant: they don't even have to spend a dime on advertising and their products generate a buzz. Even products that may or may not exist.

Agreed. The buzz kills people. not only in this forum, but everywhere people are saying "should I hold off on the iPad mini" like it exists.... or that it will even be sold at the same price.

Apple is genius at creating buzz. Honestly most of the time I think they release rumors on purpose. Or "leave prototypes at a bar" for someone to pick up like they did with the iPhone 4.

Anyone who hates Apple just has a hate on them for probably not being able to afford what they offer. The only way they will lower prices if people stop buying them. They make quality products and I honestly like both worlds.

I have an iPhone 4 and love it. I have an Android Nexus 7 and love that as well. Can't we all just get along?

 

[dmmarck]

Agreed. The buzz kills people. not only in this forum, but everywhere people are saying "should I hold off on the iPad mini" like it exists.... or that it will even be sold at the same price.

Apple is genius at creating buzz. Honestly most of the time I think they release rumors on purpose. Or "leave prototypes at a bar" for someone to pick up like they did with the iPhone 4.

Anyone who hates Apple just has a hate on them for probably not being able to afford what they offer. The only way they will lower prices if people stop buying them. They make quality products and I honestly like both worlds.

I have an iPhone 4 and love it. I have an Android Nexus 7 and love that as well. Can't we all just get along?

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I have and can afford plenty of Apple products. I think your generalization needs to be refined. While the implicit point is apt, getting to such point is flawed Imo.

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[NickA]

I have and can afford plenty of Apple products. I think your generalization needs to be refined. While the implicit point is apt, getting to such point is flawed Imo.

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I think the problem is that it is too hard to refine. I like all devices by all makers, and own a lot of them. But some people hate Apple because of what they stand for, what that is I don't know. It's similar to how some people hate Microsoft. I think the more money a company makes the more people hate them. I don't understand it.

I dislike that I had to jailbreak my iPad just to get a BT mouse to work, but it is what it is. It doesn't make me hate Apple.

So to sum it up, I don't know. For some, it may be a money issue. For others, it may be a Steve Jobs issue, who knows.

 

[Ry]

I have and can afford plenty of Apple products. I think your generalization needs to be refined. While the implicit point is apt, getting to such point is flawed Imo.

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Same as the Apple is always overpriced thinking.

Just saying.

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[g1toevo678]

It's similar to how some people hate Microsoft.

I remember when MS was the most hated tech company. What's interesting is that those spinning Apple's IP lawsuits as an attack on "consumer choice" aren't showing the same outrage at the recent victory by MS in getting Moto devices banned in Germany.

If there ever comes a day when Samsung (a company that pretty much dominates every market segment it enters) is able to drive Apple into the ground, it will no doubt become the big bad wolf for a new generation of tech nerds to hate.

 

[NickA]

I remember when MS was the most hated tech company. What's interesting is that those spinning Apple's IP lawsuits as an attack on "consumer choice" aren't showing the same outrage at the recent victory by MS in getting Moto devices banned in Germany.

If there ever comes a day when Samsung (a company that pretty much dominates every market segment it enters) is able to drive Apple into the ground, it will no doubt become the big bad wolf for a new generation of tech nerds to hate.

Good point. People would spell out Micro$oft all the time. And by the way, Microsoft takes money for each Android phone sold from HTC and several other manufactures. But you still see the hate towards Apple. Maybe because Microsoft isn't big competition right now for Android.

 

[dmmarck]

I think the problem is that it is too hard to refine. I like all devices by all makers, and own a lot of them. But some people hate Apple because of what they stand for, what that is I don't know. It's similar to how some people hate Microsoft. I think the more money a company makes the more people hate them. I don't understand it.

I dislike that I had to jailbreak my iPad just to get a BT mouse to work, but it is what it is. It doesn't make me hate Apple.

So to sum it up, I don't know. For some, it may be a money issue. For others, it may be a Steve Jobs issue, who knows.

Could be. For me, I like software. I like software much more than I do hardware to be quite honest. I gravitated towards Macs when I was younger (~6-7 years ago, so relatively younger, obviously) because they seemed a bit simpler and the software seemed very advanced to my younger self. These days, I want my software to not only be relatively simple but also very powerful. Thus, Android. Very easy to use. Very easy to customize. (A bit too easy to customize, in all honesty). Very powerful.

iOS, of which I have approximately 3 years of daily experience with (and 2+ years with the iPad) is not that, so for me, as a guy who loves software and loves OS's, it makes no sense. It's easy for apps, it's very polished, but for me, that's it. Jailbreaking serves some function, but ultimately the lack of any sort of organization or simplicity there (as opposed to the ease of customizing Android through flashing, etc.) with that "hobby" makes it a headache. And don't get me started on the insanity that is Cydia, Winterboard, etc.

On other levels, part of me is envious about Apple hardware. I'm typing this on a mid-year, 2011 MacBook Pro. I adore it. While it gets insanely (insanely) hot, overall, it's a champ. Sure, the screen "joint" is a bit awry, but I have Apple care for that (right?). The iPhone is a masterful piece of hardware; sure, design is dated and it's a bit small, but it's polished. It's quality. And because there's only "one" iPhone, hardware/software integration is brilliant. It does not mean that the software is necessarily better than alternatives, but that integration is better. Although, I'd argue that you see the same level of integration--perhaps moreso--with Galaxy Nexii, particularly the GSM models.

On the other other hand, everything I've read about Steve Jobs--from the bio last year to anecdotal interviews--makes me both love what he brought yet hate his very existence. He was driven, obviously. While he had exceptional brilliance in many fields, he was also stupid in some regards too, getting caught up in his own brilliance, overthinking himself, and damn near sinking Apple several times over. Further, he was arrogant; hell, who isn't at that stage? But how he treated folks, how he treated employees, how he treated the world...for some reason, even for an attorney, the worst of the worst of the homo sapiens, his attitude and world view really, truly irk me to no end. But that's a very personal opinion, so I don't expect anyone to really agree lol.

Same as the Apple is always overpriced thinking.

Just saying.

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If it was overpriced they wouldn't sell like they do. Price is fluid and clearly, for whatever reason--hype, quality, whatever--Apple has found the sweetspot for their products.

Good point. People would spell out Micro$oft all the time. And by the way, Microsoft takes money for each Android phone sold from HTC and several other manufactures. But you still see the hate towards Apple. Maybe because Microsoft isn't big competition right now for Android.

Good last point there. I sort of think that the top dog is always the one to be hated. First Microsoft, now Apple, and hell, you can see some of it towards Google/Android as well. That's human nature, really, and nothing more.