Nexus 7 will lead Android tablets to overtake the iPad

[Syrous44]

Wtf? That article is basically saying "Jobs was a genius and it will be a tough act to follow him up ergo Apple's royally boned." Really, that's the best credible source we can find to predict Apple's return to mediocrity?

So wait, Android doesn't have its fare share of mountains to climb for long term success? Namely Apple continuing to dominate the general public's mindshare? This thread seriously wreaks of fandroidism x10.

Newsflash the reasons why I or any of you prefer android to iOS most people couldn't give a rats ass about. Customization, open source, form factor choice, swappable batteries, widgets... please. Apple is OK not catering solely to the cool and trendy crowd. They are OK with grammar school kids and grandma's toting their stuff around,incredible margins say so. #moneytalks




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Apple is royally boned ad you put it not because of lack of innovation. But because bean counters are taking over and will run the company to the ground in the bid to squeeze every red cent it can in profit. Rather then worry about bringing in amazing products. Jobs didnt care about huge profit, he cared about end product more. This is gone, and apple will eventually suffer for this.

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[mkiker2089]

Wtf? That article is basically saying "Jobs was a genius and it will be a tough act to follow him up ergo Apple's royally boned." Really, that's the best credible source we can find to predict Apple's return to mediocrity?

So wait, Android doesn't have its fare share of mountains to climb for long term success? Namely Apple continuing to dominate the general public's mindshare? This thread seriously wreaks of fandroidism x10.

Newsflash the reasons why I or any of you prefer android to iOS most people couldn't give a rats ass about. Customization, open source, form factor choice, swappable batteries, widgets... please. Apple is OK not catering solely to the cool and trendy crowd. They are OK with grammar school kids and grandma's toting their stuff around,incredible margins say so. #moneytalks




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I know this is going to sound rude but it needs to be said, stop thinking like a fanboy and look at things objectively. The read the article carefully.

Apple success is hinged on a few products that people are fickle about. If they were Sony then it would be less of an issue. The PS3 sales are down, no biggie the TV sales are up this month. With Apple the company went into an undersaturated market and made a hit. the markets are saturated and they have little breadth to rely on. That's before we get into the "design by committee" scenario that seems to be playing out since the loss of Jobs.

 

[adamfrayne182]

I'm no Apple fanboy, but damn do they do well at marketing and hyping up products. I bet you when they announce the iPhone 5 and mini iPad(if they do) they will sell extremely well because of hype.

One thing I really like what apple does is builds this sense of needing a product ASAP. They will announce a phone and say its available a week from now.... then sellout(my guess on purpose) and build this buzz about how hot an item is. Making people want an apple product even more. News sites will go on about how badly sold out the apple product is making people want it even more. etc.

They market their products very well and build great word of mouth buzz.

I never count out Apple on what they will announce next. They have been pretty hush hush this past year so I expect something huge soon. I have been using the beta for iOS 6 for awhile now and I don't mind it. I like Jellybean more, but never count out Apple and iOS.

 

[giograves]

I know this is going to sound rude but it needs to be said, stop thinking like a fanboy and look at things objectively. The read the article carefully.

Apple success is hinged on a few products that people are fickle about. If they were Sony then it would be less of an issue. The PS3 sales are down, no biggie the TV sales are up this month. With Apple the company went into an undersaturated market and made a hit. the markets are saturated and they have little breadth to rely on. That's before we get into the "design by committee" scenario that seems to be playing out since the loss of Jobs.

Huh? Fanboy? I guess you missed when I mentioned I'm an Android user who hates the Apple walled garden. Objective? All this is speculative dribble pushed out by those who'd like to see Apple fail. Which frankly would suck for us because competition bread innovation would hit the tank


Do a few things excellent or many things just OK. Both business models are working in today's mobile market. To say that Apple will fail because they don't sell more types of stuff is stupid and not objective on your part. Starbucks sells coffee, should they start selling TVs so they can make more money just in case people stop liking gourmet coffee?

This comes down to marketshare vs mindshare. Right now Android has marketshare but without gaining any mindshare on the scale of Apple over time, without a platform differentiator, without more blockbuster hits with the android label, this will all be a phase due to current market circumstances. The fall of BB, third world countries getting into the smartphone buzz etc.

If Apple is in trouble then Google isn't that far behind either. Here comes the Windows 8 unified platform.



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[mkiker2089]

Huh? Fanboy? I guess you missed when I mentioned I'm an Android user who hates the Apple walled garden. Objective? All this is speculative dribble pushed out by those who'd like to see Apple fail. Which frankly would suck for us because competition bread innovation would hit the tank


Do a few things excellent or many things just OK. Both business models are working in today's mobile market. To say that Apple will fail because they don't sell more types of stuff is stupid and not objective on your part. Starbucks sells coffee, should they start selling TVs so they can make more money just in case people stop liking gourmet coffee?

This comes down to marketshare vs mindshare. Right now Android has marketshare but without gaining any mindshare on the scale of Apple over time, without a platform differentiator, without more blockbuster hits with the android label, this will all be a phase due to current market circumstances. The fall of BB, third world countries getting into the smartphone buzz etc.

If Apple is in trouble then Google isn't that far behind either. Here comes the Windows 8 unified platform.



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Interesting you would mention starbucks. They are indeed having problems. Oddly enough Fast Food coffee is putting a hurt on them. Diversity means more than just hiring people who look different. It's a key to success in all fields.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Huh? Fanboy? I guess you missed when I mentioned I'm an Android user who hates the Apple walled garden. Objective? All this is speculative dribble pushed out by those who'd like to see Apple fail. Which frankly would suck for us because competition bread innovation would hit the tank


Do a few things excellent or many things just OK. Both business models are working in today's mobile market. To say that Apple will fail because they don't sell more types of stuff is stupid and not objective on your part. Starbucks sells coffee, should they start selling TVs so they can make more money just in case people stop liking gourmet coffee?

This comes down to marketshare vs mindshare. Right now Android has marketshare but without gaining any mindshare on the scale of Apple over time, without a platform differentiator, without more blockbuster hits with the android label, this will all be a phase due to current market circumstances. The fall of BB, third world countries getting into the smartphone buzz etc.

If Apple is in trouble then Google isn't that far behind either. Here comes the Windows 8 unified platform.



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Show me some statistics on "mind share" other than you think they are really cool. Even with massive amounts of "mindshare" Apple has failed before. And BTW, you don't gain market share without "mind share" if Android has over 50 percent of the market, they have more mind share. If they didn't more people would be buying I phones. And don't tell me it's a matter of price. You can get a 3gs nearly free on contract.

And the whole point of the Article is that Apple has lost it's "cool" factor. As you say, now that iphones are so over saturated, being used by the elderly, etc. It's lost it's "cool" factor. It's just like Starbucks. When everybody started buying Starbucks, they lost their "cool" factor. Now Starbucks is having trouble.

And saying that the article is full of "fandroidism" just shows how biased you are. It was written by the wall street journal. I've seen so many pro Apple articles from them it's not even funny. They write based on market analysis and nothing more.

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[natehoy]

Here's what's gonna happen:

1. Google will keep selling out of Nexuses (Nexi?) until someone else beats their value proposition and comes out with a cheaper tablet and/or a more feature-rich build at a comparable price.

2. Apple will probably announce an iPad Mini this fall. It'll sell like hotcakes. Google has, in essence, created a new niche - for a decently-built 7" tablet. Just like Apple created the niche for a touchscreen-only phone and a 10" tablet previously. Only this time, Apple will be the one "late to the table".

3. These 7" tablets are going to be cheap commodity items that will not really compete much with premium 10" tablets, and it will become increasingly irrelevant which platform they run (iOS, Android, Windows, whatever) because you can consume mostly the same web pages and almost all of the same content across them all.

4. People heavily invested in a specific app infrastructure will tend to stay with that infrastructure because they won't want to take all their media and other stuff and move elsewhere. So current iPhone/iPod/iPad (iTunes) users will tend to gravitate to the iPad Mini if the prices are comparable, and same with the Android set.

5. This is a new niche. Plenty of people will buy them, and the price point assures that there'll be plenty of marketshare for EVERYONE in the next 2-3 years.

Apple will find it increasingly hard to compete with a BUNCH of competitors, each competing with the other, to fill the smartphone and 10" tablet market spaces. There's almost no doubt that they will eventually succumb to that competition and fall back to where they are on the desktop, but that's YEARS out, and they have a solid foothold in the fondleslab marketplace with plenty of loyal customers and will do them just fine for some time. They'd better get their engineers and inventors off their asses and develop the Next Big Thing before someone else does. The Nexus is not the Next Big Thing, it's a variation on a theme, albeit a niche-creating one.

The market just exploded. The rules have changed again. Google just played a hand, let's see what Apple lays on the table next.

Fun times. This is so much better for everyone when the competition gets fierce. I expect a few pretty revolutionary changes to the fondleslab marketspace over the next few years, and I can't wait to see what companies come up with.

 

[giograves]

Show me some statistics on "mind share" other than you think they are really cool.

Mindshare Informal measure of the amount of talk, mention, or reference an idea, firm, or product generates in public or media.

So let me get this strait, Android has this same level of "buzz" as Apple products? You can sit there with a strait face an tell me just as many people have a positive association with the word Android (if they even know it) as they do with an Apple "i" product?

Stats? How about JD Power
"Apple Ranks Highest in Customer Satisfaction among Smartphone Manufacturers"
J.D. Power and Associates

Must explain why iPhones in NYC spread like roaches. One friend has them, 6 months later the whole crew does too.



And seriously, the whole Apple is losing its cool isn't a strong point of this argument. You folks are basically saying the slow but steady "PC" business model ends up winning in the end. Well guess what, when Apple lost its cool, it essentially started going "PC" by appealing to the masses instead of the niche. This refutes your entire premise that they need "COOL" to maintain profitability long-term.

 

[BostonDan2]

I've never been an Apple fan and avoided the company like the plague until recently. My relatives were all getting iPads and I wanted a tablet, but wouldn't give in at first. I bought the Asus Transformer Prime and received one of the bad units. The wifi on it was horrible. When I started reading these forums and saw people exchanging their units many times, waiting weeks at times for a replacement, and when I saw people exchanging their units first hand at my local Microcenter, I returned the product. I don't have the time to exchange a product several times to get a working one. Next, I bought the Acer A200, and it worked, but was just very sluggish and didn't look nice. I sold it and finally gave in and purchased the iPad 2.

I may not be able to customize the iPad, but it just works great. I'm not doing any gaming, just email, salesforce.com, calendar, and some basic docs editing. It works far better for me. Because of the positive experience with the iPad, I am reconsidering my next laptop purchase. I'm seriously considering Apple, even though I would have to repurchase many of the apps I've already purchased on the Windows platform. Many of my relatives have already gone done this path. Apple may not have the highest performance product out there or a product which can be customized, but they are becoming recognized as the company that puts stuff out that works with fewer problems. Even of it is statistically not true, thats the perception people have.

I haven't purchased the Nexus 7 yet, although I really wanted one. Reading this forum and hearing the stories of people taking apart their devices on day 1 so they can apply a fix to the screen is crazy to me. I have a BS in Computer Engineering and close to 20 years embedded software and hardware systems development. In my youth, I think I would have been ok taking devices apart, but now being older and with kids, I don't have the time or patience to deal with hacking a solution that consists of shortening screws, adding washers, or the other mods that people have been doing. My view, Google/Asus really blew it and will not overtake Apple in the tablet space unless something changes on the quality front. Asus has a great track record with laptops, I currently have 4 Asus laptops, but its record in the tablet space is lacking.

Comparing android in the phone market to the tablet space is not a good comparison. In the phone space, android apps work and look just as good as they do on the iPhone, hardware quality is very high overall, and support is backed by local wireless sales channels. In the tablet space, Android apps don't look as good as they do on the iPad, the quality of the cool tablets isnt there consistently, and there is no local support like there is for the iPad.

 

[giograves]

Here's what's gonna happen:.. snip

This is a MUCH more sensible sequence of events that can play out over the next few years. For Apple to completely relegate to their previous MAC computer failures considering what they have amassed today with "i"devices is a huge stretch but AGREED, they have lots of homework to do...so does Google.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Mindshare Informal measure of the amount of talk, mention, or reference an idea, firm, or product generates in public or media.

So let me get this strait, Android has this same level of "buzz" as Apple products? You can sit there with a strait face an tell me just as many people have a positive association with the word Android (if they even know it) as they do with an Apple "i" product?

Stats? How about JD Power
"Apple Ranks Highest in Customer Satisfaction among Smartphone Manufacturers"
J.D. Power and Associates

Must explain why iPhones in NYC spread like roaches. One friend has them, 6 months later the whole crew does too.



And seriously, the whole Apple is losing its cool isn't a strong point of this argument. You folks are basically saying the slow but steady "PC" business model ends up winning in the end. Well guess what, when Apple lost its cool, it essentially started going "PC" by appealing to the masses instead of the niche. This refutes your entire premise that they need "COOL" to maintain profitability long-term.

First of all, I didn't ask for the definition on mindshare I asked for statistics , for example showing how much mind share there is for Apple (impossible), or what it's effect is on sales. Because right now all you have is your opinion with no statistic beside "a lot".

As to your analogy of iphones selling like roaches, the logical follow-up is that Android is the super roach, as they are selling faster and at a greater quantity than iphones.

Finally, Apple PCs don't appeal to the masses they sell completely on "cool factor". Why do you think a Mac Pro sells for literally 5 times as much as a PC with identical hardware. Macs are sold completely on the cool factor. There's a reason they make more profit per unit than any other computer manufacturer. You're buying marketing. If they appealed to the masses Windows wouldn't have 93 percent of the marketshare. Yet again your argument fails hard.

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[crackberrytraitor]

This is a MUCH more sensible sequence of events that can play out over the next few years. For Apple to completely relegate to their previous MAC computer failures considering what they have amassed today with "i"devices is a huge stretch but AGREED, they have lots of homework to do...so does Google.

Apple computer once controlled over 90 percent of the computer market. They were used by every government agency, every business and there was a Mac in nearly every classroom across America. And they lost it all.

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[crackberrytraitor]

Here's what's gonna happen:

1. Google will keep selling out of Nexuses (Nexi?) until someone else beats their value proposition and comes out with a cheaper tablet and/or a more feature-rich build at a comparable price.

2. Apple will probably announce an iPad Mini this fall. It'll sell like hotcakes. Google has, in essence, created a new niche - for a decently-built 7" tablet. Just like Apple created the niche for a touchscreen-only phone and a 10" tablet previously. Only this time, Apple will be the one "late to the table".

3. These 7" tablets are going to be cheap commodity items that will not really compete much with premium 10" tablets, and it will become increasingly irrelevant which platform they run (iOS, Android, Windows, whatever) because you can consume mostly the same web pages and almost all of the same content across them all.

4. People heavily invested in a specific app infrastructure will tend to stay with that infrastructure because they won't want to take all their media and other stuff and move elsewhere. So current iPhone/iPod/iPad (iTunes) users will tend to gravitate to the iPad Mini if the prices are comparable, and same with the Android set.

5. This is a new niche. Plenty of people will buy them, and the price point assures that there'll be plenty of marketshare for EVERYONE in the next 2-3 years.

Apple will find it increasingly hard to compete with a BUNCH of competitors, each competing with the other, to fill the smartphone and 10" tablet market spaces. There's almost no doubt that they will eventually succumb to that competition and fall back to where they are on the desktop, but that's YEARS out, and they have a solid foothold in the fondleslab marketplace with plenty of loyal customers and will do them just fine for some time. They'd better get their engineers and inventors off their asses and develop the Next Big Thing before someone else does. The Nexus is not the Next Big Thing, it's a variation on a theme, albeit a niche-creating one.

The market just exploded. The rules have changed again. Google just played a hand, let's see what Apple lays on the table next.

Fun times. This is so much better for everyone when the competition gets fierce. I expect a few pretty revolutionary changes to the fondleslab marketspace over the next few years, and I can't wait to see what companies come up with.

Here's the only problem I see. Apple will not be selling devices for close to zero profit, like Google is. They never have and they never will. All the evidence points to a device around 300 dollars. Secondly, the mass of 1024x768 7 inch screens Apple is buying up points to it being inferior right out the box.

Secondly, Google will have the Nexus 10 out by the end of the year and while Google has not confirmed the exact price, they have confirmed that they will be selling it at the cost of manufacture, like the N7.

That means Apple will be competing with a company selling devices for basically zero upfront profit. The iPad mini may be cheaper than a full iPad, but Google will still be providing a cheaper 7 inch and a cheaper 10 inch, which is the whole dynamic that caused Android to take over the phone market and as well as their current erosion of Apples tablet marketshare. It's going to be funny when the N10 is the same price as the iPad mini.

Unless Apple changes their game, the effect will be the same.

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[Syrous44]

Here's the only problem I see. Apple will not be selling devices for close to zero profit, like Google is. They never have and they never will. All the evidence points to a device around 300 dollars. Secondly, the mass of 1024x768 7 inch screens Apple is buying up points to it being inferior right out the box.

Secondly, Google will have the Nexus 10 out by the end of the year and while Google has not confirmed the exact price, they have confirmed that they will be selling it at the cost of manufacture, like the N7.

That means Apple will be competing with a company selling devices for basically zero upfront profit. The iPad mini may be cheaper than a full iPad, but Google will still be providing a cheaper 7 inch and a cheaper 10 inch, which is the whole dynamic that caused Android to take over the phone market and as well as their current erosion of Apples tablet marketshare. It's going to be funny when the N10 is the same price as the iPad mini.

Unless Apple changes their game, the effect will be the same.

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Exactly, maybe if Jobs was still alive he would sell at cost to compete with android. He even stated that he would burn all of apples money to destroy android and google. However with bean counters running apple now and looking to squeeze every red cent of profit from every thing. They will screw the company to the ground eventually. Leaving android the clear winner. I can see maybe windows be a threat years down the line as they too dont mind loosing money on hardware. Xbox perfect example.

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[jschu22]

It won't be a fun year for consumers if apple decides to charge a premium (as always) for a 7" tablet and then the Android models to follow the N7 creep up in price--undercutting Apple, but not being super-affordable as the N7. I NEVER trust Apple to not maximize their profits to the hilt. Do YOU expect them to sell a tablet for near cost?????

Did I really read this post? Is someone not only hoping, but actually upset that a company is pricing its products to maximize profit? How is this apparent sense of entitlement working out in real life for you?

 

[jschu22]

Its the eventual fanboyism that happens in many threads, on both sides of the fence, that forces me to take hiatuses away from forums. The sheer amount of ridiculous statements made here serves as a reminder of why a little bit of information can be a dangerous thing.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Did I really read this post? Is someone not only hoping, but actually upset that a company is pricing its products to maximize profit? How is this apparent sense of entitlement working out in real life for you?

It's working put great. Got my Nexus 7 for dang near the cost of manufacture. Sorry, I don't like paying a massive profit margin to Apple for marketing.

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[crackberrytraitor]

Its the eventual fanboyism that happens in many threads, on both sides of the fence, that forces me to take hiatuses away from forums. The sheer amount of ridiculous statements made here serves as a reminder of why a little bit of information can be a dangerous thing.

Yeah, those crazy fanboys at the wall street journal

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[adamfrayne182]

I do not see Apple losing steam anytime soon. Its very hard to break that market away and put them on something else. No matter what the cost. I watched a friend just buy a Macbook Pro thats like 3-4 years old for $800. Now she wants a Macbook Air for pretty much the same price. She is an apple fanatic. She has iPod Touch, iPhone 4s, Macbook Pro, Macbook Air(pending), iPad 2, and AppleTV.

The Apple fans don't just jump ship because something is cheap. The iPad mini could debut at the 350-400 price range and still be a hit. Which IMO I think it will debut at that price.

Here is my breakdown of it.

iPod Touch the cheapest
iPad Mini - $350-400
iPad 3 - $500+

 

[Ftspyder]

Wow. Ive read threw every page of this thread and I`ve enjoyed some of the arguments presented from both sides. My take? Android will increase its market share, but honestly rumors are pointing at a September 12th release for iPhone 5 and iPad "Mini". If the iPad mini is aggressively priced, fro example 250 for an 8gb 300 for a 16, I honestly think it will fly off the shevles giving Apple more market share. Now, if Apple drops the ball and doesnt release an iPad "Mini" there is a very good chance that Android will continue to aggressively gain market share. Correct me if im wrong but i read somewhere that Google planned to ship 5 million Nexus 7s by the end of December while Apple planned to ship 39 Million. Its not impossible for Android to catch up, especially with a rumored Nexus 10, but in the near future I personally don`t see Androids market share increase to the point that Apple will be nervous. Just my honest and humble opinion.