No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6 for me

[IrishFXDB]

Everyone is free to decide which features matter most to them. Battery life and size may not be important to you, but it may be important to someone else.

You're right, but this is different. OP is talking about anything less than all day SCREEN TIME being unacceptable. Most people consider 6 hours screen time to be excellent and OP says it's terrible. He believes the Nexus should have a stock 10,000mah battery...

If that's his requirements, fine, but don't go bashing the Nexus because it doesn't live up to your unrealistic expectations. There are plenty of phones with removable batteries he can buy and have his 10,000mah battery.

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[stylez619]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Everyone is free to decide which features matter most to them. Battery life and size may not be important to you, but it may be important to someone else.

You're absolutely correct, but you missed my point. This battery should satisfy even the heavier users for a solid portion of the day. And if not, it can be quick charged in 15 mins - that will get them through the rest of the day.

For clarification, I wasn't saying that battery life shouldn't be a deciding factor when buying a phone. I was saying battery life on THIS phone shouldn't be a factor because it and the quick charging capability make that point moot.

 

[rap4usa]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

This is the part that made me doubt the phone. I hope it will be awesome!

 

[Dubbayoo]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

http://gizmodo.com/droid-turbo-is-here-but-about-that-battery-1652801400

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

You're right, but this is different. OP is talking about anything less than all day SCREEN TIME being unacceptable. Most people consider 6 hours screen time to be excellent and OP says it's terrible.

Thank you for that information. Could you please cite the source where you heard that most people consider 6 hours of screen time to be excellent? I'd like to have something on hand for future reference.

 

[IrishFXDB]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Thank you for that information. Could you please cite the source where you heard that most people consider 6 hours of screen time to be excellent? I'd like to have something on hand for future reference.

Are you serious chief? If you consider that most smartphones out today get in the range of 3-4 hours screen time, I think it is pretty easy to make an educated assumption that your average user is going to be thrilled with 6+ hours screen time.

My source is every forum post about battery life I've ever read for the past 7+ years I've been using smartphones.

Any other questions? Table is yours if you want to fail at being witty some more.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

You're absolutely correct, but you missed my point. This battery should satisfy even the heavier users for a solid portion of the day. And if not, it can be quick charged in 15 mins - that will get them through the rest of the day.

So, let's say Google decides to release an additional model of the Nexus 6. The new model has a bigger battery. Google will sell it along with the regular model, so people can buy whatever version they prefer. Would you be opposed to Google's decision?

 

[Jeremy8000]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

So, let's say Google decides to release an additional model of the Nexus 6. The new model has a bigger battery. Google will sell it along with the regular model, so people can buy whatever version they prefer. Would you be opposed to Google's decision?

I would think it to be a horribly foolish one. Producing an otherwise identical device with just a battery size enhancement would only entice a trivial number of users to go to a Nexus 6 product that wouldn't already reach that decision, create stock forecast headaches for carriers and resellers, drive up effective manufacturing costs for both (and thereby reduce existing profit margins), etc.

But whether I am opposed to it or not is irrelevant to Google's right to decide to make multiple varieties or just one, to seal the battery or make it easily swappable, etc. It's their company to market as they believe to be effective, and if I don't find their product to be the best for my needs I'll just get something else. As it stands, if they did offer an identical unit with say a 4000mAH battery, I'd probably opt for the current one for the simple fact that the larger battery would require the phone to be bulkier, likely losing the curved back to accommodate additional internal volume required.

At the end of the day, everyone has their dealbreakers. It can be screen type, size, removable media, cost, color, stylus, camera, country of origin, carrier availability, manufacturer preference, number of vowels in their name, etc. That's fine, because with Android, we don't all have to buy the same phone - open options are what makes it great. Just like Ap---- err, nvm....

 

[stylez619]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

So, let's say Google decides to release an additional model of the Nexus 6. The new model has a bigger battery. Google will sell it along with the regular model, so people can buy whatever version they prefer. Would you be opposed to Google's decision?

If the difference is only 500mAh, yes - what's the point? Production and inventory carrying costs don't justify the need to supply two variants of the same exact device with such a minute differential. Especially when those two devices would already be priced at a premium in the same market level.

If it's 10,000mAh, yes as well because there's no desirable demographic for a phone with that form factor either. Leave those extended battery cases to 3rd party accessory companies to address that minuscule market segment.

 

[stylez619]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

I would think it to be a horribly foolish one. Producing an otherwise identical device with just a battery size enhancement would only entice a trivial number of users to go to a Nexus 6 product that wouldn't already reach that decision, create stock forecast headaches for carriers and resellers, drive up effective manufacturing costs for both (and thereby reduce existing profit margins), etc.

But whether I am opposed to it or not is irrelevant to Google's right to decide to make multiple varieties or just one, to seal the battery or make it easily swappable, etc. It's their company to market as they believe to be effective, and if I don't find their product to be the best for my needs I'll just get something else. As it stands, if they did offer an identical unit with say a 4000mAH battery, I'd probably opt for the current one for the simple fact that the larger battery would require the phone to be bulkier, likely losing the curved back to accommodate additional internal volume required.

Exactly.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

As it stands, if they did offer an identical unit with say a 4000mAH battery, I'd probably opt for the current one for the simple fact that the larger battery would require the phone to be bulkier, likely losing the curved back to accommodate additional internal volume required.

At the end of the day, everyone has their dealbreakers. It can be screen type, size, removable media, cost, color, stylus, camera, country of origin, carrier availability, manufacturer preference, number of vowels in their name, etc. That's fine, because with Android, we don't all have to buy the same phone - open options are what makes it great.

I would agree that open options are what make Android great, and I would fully support your decision to choose a Nexus 6 with a standard battery. If other people wanted a Nexus 6 with a larger battery, I would support their decision as well. Everyone goes home happy. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

If the difference is only 500mAh, yes - what's the point? Production and inventory carrying costs don't justify the need to supply two variants of the same exact device with such a minute differential. Especially when those two devices would already be priced at a premium in the same market level.

If it's 10,000mAh, yes as well because there's no desirable demographic for a phone with that form factor either.

Motorola has a history of making phones with extra-long battery life, like the Droid Maxx. Maybe it can make a Maxx version of the Nexus 6.

If 500 mAh is too little and 10,000 mAh is too much, perhaps there is a value in the middle that would strike the right balance.

 

[Jeremy8000]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Motorola has a history of making phones with extra-long battery life, like the Droid Maxx. Maybe it can make a Maxx version of the Nexus 6.

If 500 mAh is too little and 10,000 mAh is too much, perhaps there is a value in the middle that would strike the right balance.

The value 'in the middle' that they felt struck the right balance between battery life and ergonomics for the vast majority of its audience was... 3220mAh. Boosting the battery life to a point that would offer a significant enough increase to attract additional buyers who would shun the phone based on its current capacity would attract very few due to the increased size required, and the added size would deter a number of those folk.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

The value 'in the middle' that they felt struck the right balance between battery life and ergonomics for the vast majority of its audience was... 3220mAh. Boosting the battery life to a point that would offer a significant enough increase to attract additional buyers who would shun the phone based on its current capacity would attract very few due to the increased size required, and the added size would deter a number of those folk.

The discussion was dealing with a range of 3720 mAh (an additional 500 mAh) to 10,000 mAh (the figure that the OP wanted). No one was asking for a phone that merely had 500 mAh of battery.

3720 mAh seemed fine in terms of bulk, but there is a question of whether it would provide significant additional battery life.

Perhaps there would be something between 3720 mAh to 10,000 mAh that would appeal to heavy users who appreciate more battery life and don't mind the extra bulk.

 

[Jeremy8000]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

The discussion was dealing with a range of 3720 mAh (an additional 500 mAh) to 10,000 mAh (the figure that the OP wanted). No one was asking for a phone that merely had 500 mAh of battery.

3720 mAh seemed fine in terms of bulk, but there is a question of whether it would provide significant additional battery life.

Perhaps there would be something between 3720 mAh to 10,000 mAh that would appeal to heavy users who appreciate more battery life and don't mind the extra bulk.

The question is, how many additional people would buy a larger capacity version of the nexus 6 that would not buy it in the current version, and does it make business sense to incur the associated costs of development and production. Given that nexus has never been about units sold or market share, I would be very surprised if this turns into anything more than a game of 'what if.'

 

[stylez619]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

The question is, how many additional people would buy a larger capacity version of the nexus 6 that would not buy it in the current version, and does it make business sense to incur the associated costs of development and production. Given that nexus has never been about units sold or market share, I would be very surprised if this turns into anything more than a game of 'what if.'

100% correct.

This, in addition to the quick charging feature that's already built-in, make whatever market segment for a bigger battery a moot point. If you end up draining the battery to <10% after 6 hours, throw it on the charger for a whole 15 minutes and you have another 4 hours of use.
If you need more than 10 hours of on-screen time with a phone every day, perhaps a phone is not the correct piece of hardware to be using.

 

[Almeuit]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Are people also forgetting that this thing has Turbo Charging capabilities. 15 mins and you get 80% of your battery back.

Size, cost, personal UI preferences, expandable media are all subjective reasons to pass on the Nexus 6 if so inclined. Battery life and size should NOT be one of those reasons.

80 percent in 15 minutes may be a little exaggeration .

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

The question is, how many additional people would buy a larger capacity version of the nexus 6 that would not buy it in the current version, and does it make business sense to incur the associated costs of development and production. Given that nexus has never been about units sold or market share, I would be very surprised if this turns into anything more than a game of 'what if.'

Luckily, forums are an excellent way to explore what-if scenarios.

First, you ask how many additional people would buy a larger capacity version over the standard model. Would a survey be enough to find the answer? If not, how could we find the answer?

Second, you ask if it makes business sense to pay the associated costs of development and production. We would need to know the expected cost and put that against the forecast for demand. That might be difficult to find out without consulting someone employed in the field of cell phone manufacturing.

However, stranger ideas have made it to market, like the Microsoft Kin, the two Facebook phones (HTC ChaCha and HTC First), and the Amazon Fire Phone. I would be curious to see if anyone could argue that an extended battery Nexus 6 is worse than any of these phones.

 

[Jeremy8000]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Luckily, forums are an excellent way to explore what-if scenarios.

First, you ask how many additional people would buy a larger capacity version over the standard model. Would a survey be enough to find the answer? If not, how could we find the answer?

Second, you ask if it makes business sense to pay the associated costs of development and production. We would need to know the expected cost and put that against the forecast for demand. That might be difficult to find out without consulting someone employed in the field of cell phone manufacturing.

However, stranger ideas have made it to market, like the Microsoft Kin, the two Facebook phones (HTC ChaCha and HTC First), and the Amazon Fire Phone. I would be curious to see if anyone could argue that an extended battery Nexus 6 is worse than any of these phones.

People invest into development and production that furthers their business goals. Producing a device that does nothing to better showcase or further the Android OS experience does not further Google's goals.

I'm not saying an otherwise identical device option with a larger battery is a horrible idea, but the Nexus is probably literally the very last device whose manufacturer would pursue that alternative.

And yes, stranger ideas have made it to the market, but the sales and market lives of the ones you mentioned don't exactly spur on the notion of doing something like that without a pretty reasonable expectation of success.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

And yes, stranger ideas have made it to the market, but the sales and market lives of the ones you mentioned don't exactly spur on the notion of doing something like that without a pretty reasonable expectation of success.

So, if you could only choose between two phones, would you choose an Amazon Fire Phone, or would you choose a Nexus 6 with an extended battery?