Now, who wants a metal phone?

[rews]

I don't think myself high but practical.

The only disconnect is from people who can't comprehend simple logic.

There are people who are lazy and there are people who are stupid in this world and I have no reservations about being direct about them. If this offends your sensibility on the subject, I apologize but have always been this way.

If a person damages their phone because they refuse to take precautions against doing so out of being inconvenienced as I have stated that is being lazy. If they continue to lament the fact that is stupidity and if they continue to not learn from mistakes that is being stupid..
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Now the question remains, is it recommended to carry such an expensive and large phone in a manner that can cause serious damage acceptable because of past practices of carrying a much smaller device in the same manner? Should the company have known that people would do this and have tested it in a manner that they don't recommend doing it?

The answer is in my opinion no...and if I am not mistaken they tested the phones in a manner that all manufacturers do and as such the onus of common sense rest with the consumer and as such they released the product for sale. Why... because large phones have been out long enough for most of the market to know about the best method of carrying them and protecting them properly.

Carrying large phones have a different set of issues than that of much smaller devices and it is up to the consumer to use common sense when going about it and choose the right size phone for their usages and how they carry the device.

I look at things from a practical approach and have a firm grasp of the laws of physics and also know full well Murphy's law of life. It's sad that many people don't. Many people who have a great hatred against Apple and enjoy posting negativity when ever they can rail against people who say anything against their own point of view as what has happened here...


FYI... my definition of stupid and stupidity can apply to highly intelligent people but both give the benefit of the doubt to the individual. With this issue it comes down to wither this person is ignorant of certain facts or if they have automatically assumed certain facts based on faulty reasonings, or have ignored these for sake of convenience... hence calling some of them just lazy. If the latter then their actions would be called stupid not them in person. We've all done stupid things before, but the majority learn from these things and strive to not repeat them.... Those who don't are stupid.

You keep repeating in every response that any stance contrary to how YOU feel the ip6 should be carried is stupid, lazy, etc.

Who are you to say so? No really, who are you? Are you some kind of known tech pundit or guru that makes you qualified to pass judgment? Hardly. I think it's much more accurate to say you're being narrow minded with an over inflated sense of the actual worth of your own opinions.

Maybe people like to carry their phone in their back pocket. Maybe lots of people do so. I certainly see a ton of people doing so. I certainly know I see a lot of people over the years here and elsewhere have related "oops" incidents like me where they've forgotten it was there and sat on it. But according to you, we're stupid and lazy.

A holster or a purse shouldn't have to be a requirement for a phablet sized device. Some users are big men with large hands and large pants and pockets. I can concede that a holster might be more ideal for a little wee fella who wants a big phone, but that doesn't give a small built guy the right to criticize people who aren't petite. You seem to be forgetful of the fact that a 6 inch phone to a big guy will feel like an iPhone 4 to you.

I think A895 makes an excellent point here as well:

But why should someone take extra precautions to use a device they use EVERY day? By default smartphone companies should be focusing on function than form.

I don't care what anyone says, Apple should have known before hand that making their phones so damn thin they were more suspectable to being bent and then not bending back because of the metal body.

This also goes for other iPhones as well, I knew many people with broken I phones and I myself have broken a few phones in the past couple years. Smartphones are too fragile.

I should have to change the way I use my phone, my phone should adapt to who I already am and how I live. This is why the 6 Plus would be the last phone I recommend to anyone because of this.

Not to mention it is a freaking phablet that is bigger than other phablets. Have you seen it next to a G3? It makes the G3 look normal.

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I totally agree. Blanket accusations towards the user with no criticism leveled at the manufacturers is just more of the same kinds of ignorance and arrogance people put up with from the apologists and fanboys who were piping off with the 'you're holding it wrong' line that Apple fed them.

 

[codyoehl]

I think I agree with MDMcAtee
I mean, yes a phone should to an extent be able to adapt to your situation, but this isn't really one of them.
If you choose to put your iPhone in your back pocket, then you are being stupid.
There's no getting around that. You can point fingers at apple all you want, but don't get mad or freak out when you brake/bend your phone while sitting on it. It's a large metal phone, if you want to be able to sit on it, get a nokia 3310. Then it won't break. This is science and it's a fact, there really isn't opinion involved.

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[Nerf72]

Here is a thought (for the stupid and uneducated*)

"The Iphone 6, not fit for carriage in a pocket"


Do you think apple would like that as a advertising feature?

Um, no.


"The iPhone, Not pocket proof"


Um, no that won't work...


"The iphone , handle with care"


Er, nope, that won't be a good sound bite either.

"The IPad Micro, like a IPad but with more!"

That would work wouldn't it?!

What's my point? Phones are tools, not objects of desire to be mollycoddled. Apple know this (hence the two year upgrade cycle)


Get of your bloody high horse about the care of the damn thing. If it can't be kept in a picket it isn't a personal phone, its a tablet with extra bits

Seriously

 

[codyoehl]

You can keep it in your pocket (side) where it won't be subject to lots of force
But if you put it in your back pocket, where it is subject to tons of force, then there is a problem

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[rews]

You can keep it in your pocket (side) where it won't be subject to lots of force
But if you put it in your back pocket, where it is subject to tons of force, then there is a problem

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Never had a problem before, this phone is apparently the exception.

 

[MDMcAtee]

But why should someone take extra precautions to use a device they use EVERY day? By default smartphone companies should be focusing on function than form.

I don't care what anyone says, Apple should have known before hand that making their phones so damn thin they were more suspectable to being bent and then not bending back because of the metal body.

This also goes for other iPhones as well, I knew many people with broken I phones and I myself have broken a few phones in the past couple years. Smartphones are too fragile.

I should have to change the way I use my phone, my phone should adapt to who I already am and how I live. This is why the 6 Plus would be the last phone I recommend to anyone because of this.

Not to mention it is a freaking phablet that is bigger than other phablets. Have you seen it next to a G3? It makes the G3 look normal.

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Why should someone take precautions? Oh I don't know, maybe because they should?

Is it so much of a stretch for these people to actually have to Think about something this obvious?

I know it's frigging huge, so was my 1520 and you know I'm awful glad I didn't carry that beast around where it could get bent since they found out that most of the touch scroll issues where caused by the digitizer getting bent away from the sensors.

I will wager they do get a bunch of folks who insist on not carrying in a case to test them from on to stop all of this or just decide to jack up the price even more and make it thicker.

 

[A895]

I think I agree with MDMcAtee
I mean, yes a phone should to an extent be able to adapt to your situation, but this isn't really one of them.
If you choose to put your iPhone in your back pocket, then you are being stupid.
There's no getting around that. You can point fingers at apple all you want, but don't get mad or freak out when you brake/bend your phone while sitting on it. It's a large metal phone, if you want to be able to sit on it, get a nokia 3310. Then it won't break. This is science and it's a fact, there really isn't opinion involved.

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Are you serious? You get at people for putting their phone in THEIR pocket? Least of all their back pocket, the most common pocket for anything since, like ever.

That is just poor manufacturing if I can't have my PHONE in my back pocket without fear of breaking the dang thing. There is no excuse for that.

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[A895]

Why should someone take precautions? Oh I don't know, maybe because they should?

Is it so much of a stretch for these people to actually have to Think about something this obvious?

I know it's frigging huge, so was my 1520 and you know I'm awful glad I didn't carry that beast around where it could get bent since they found out that most of the touch scroll issues where caused by the digitizer getting bent away from the sensors.

I will wager they do get a bunch of folks who insist on not carrying in a case to test them from on to stop all of this or just decide to jack up the price even more and make it thicker.

Is it too much of a stretch for, I don't know, maybe manufacturers to make more durable phones? A phone is absolute no buy if I can't even have it in my pocket.

There is no excuse for that.

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[codyoehl]

The only thing I like ever use my back pocket for is my wallet, and I don't even have to.
Why would anybody use their back pockets for their phone or anything else for that matter (except the wallet)?
Front pockets are so much better for carrying stuff, plus they are a lot easier to get into when you are sitting down.

Do I think phones should be solid? Yes. Do I think phones should be able to take some abuse? Yes. Do I think that a phone should be able to take 200 pounds of force directly on it? Not necessarily. Maybe manufacturers are going to start caring less about how the phone does in a back pocket, but how it does when you drop it, which is where you want it to be strong!

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[Nerf72]

Always put my phone in the back pocket. Even when sitting. I'm careful not to sit fully on it (it normally slides out of the way). Putting a phone in the front pocket is unnatural to me. I end up trapping it

 

[MDMcAtee]

Is it too much of a stretch for, I don't know, maybe manufacturers to make more durable phones? A phone is absolute no buy if I can't even have it in my pocket.

There is no excuse for that.

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That's totally reasonable from your perspective.

If I were used to carrying a phone in my pocket and preferred to carrying in that manner I could understand this, but if I wanted such a large phone in the first place, I wouldn't automatically assume that it should carry the same as a smaller one. It's much bigger, why aren't people looking at the obvious here, and Apple should have said something to educate it's flock since many of them obviously can't think ahead.

I would like to see consumer reports test the ends of the phone compared to the others out of the same size and of the rest of their line of phones . If it is proven dramatically weaker than the rest have Apple resolve the issue. If proven to be be a significant amount than their own line they should be prepared for the worst because as proven here and on many other sites that many people love to hate them and use that as an excuse to condemn them whenever they can. This would certainly damage their reputation even more than it is right now. It's something that would be in their own interests to pursue and not allow to continue to fester.

Does this mean I am a apologist for Apple, no it just means I not quick to get on the bashing wagon with the rest who like to stay on board all the time. I prefer to see definitive scientific proof to back up all these claims and then give them a chance to rectify them if substantiated.

Apple does have a responsibility to ensure that their products are durable enough for daily usage and to stand up to the occasional mishap, but I also feel that the end consumer should have enough common sense to choose the right phone and this includes it's size for how they do things too.

 

[A895]

That's totally reasonable from your perspective.

If I were used to carrying a phone in my pocket and preferred to carrying in that manner I could understand this, but if I wanted such a large phone in the first place, I wouldn't automatically assume that it should carry the same as a smaller one. It's much bigger, why aren't people looking at the obvious here, and Apple should have said something to educate it's flock since many of them obviously can't think ahead.

I would like to see consumer reports test the ends of the phone compared to the others out of the same size and of the rest of their line of phones . If it is proven dramatically weaker than the rest have Apple resolve the issue. If proven to be be a significant amount than their own line they should be prepared for the worst because as proven here and on many other sites that many people love to hate them and use that as an excuse to condemn them whenever they can. This would certainly damage their reputation even more than it is right now. It's something that would be in their own interests to pursue and not allow to continue to fester.

Does this mean I am a apologist for Apple, no it just means I not quick to get on the bashing wagon with the rest who like to stay on board all the time. I prefer to see definitive scientific proof to back up all these claims and then give them a chance to rectify them if substantiated.

Apple does have a responsibility to ensure that their products are durable enough for daily usage and to stand up to the occasional mishap, but I also feel that the end consumer should have enough common sense to choose the right phone and this includes it's size for how they do things too.

At the same time, phones are getting bigger, out of ALL of the people at Cupertino, no one had the foresight to think their phablet was going into back pockets because they can't fit into front pockets? That would have been my first thought.

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[Nerf72]

Or Apple puts a note in the manual. "Do not carry in pockets"

 

[MDMcAtee]

At the same time, phones are getting bigger, out of ALL of the people at Cupertino, no one had the foresight to think their phablet was going into back pockets because they can't fit into front pockets? That would have been my first thought.

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I don't know to be honest. Maybe maybe not.

I know this about all of it. Just because I can do something doesn't mean I should.

I can fit my 7" Asus tablet in my back pocket, does that mean Asus should have tested it just because I or someone else may want to carry it around there? Granted most people wouldn't do this and I know more folks are used to carrying a cell phone in their pockets but the same logic applies to this.

This is a matter of perception of just what a company should be accountable for.

Please don't misunderstand this because I am not implying any thing towards you or any other here this is just for a lack of better saying this .... But.... Has it come so far in today's society that every company has to ***** proof every product because of what someone "might do" with a item? What has happened to change the responsibility of the individual to use common sense?

Should they have known, perhaps they did, but I don't have a way of proving it either way. I am not privy to the design teams notes or communications about it.

Like I said I would hope Apple has this tested scientifically and if those results show a substantial difference between their own line of phones compared to others of similar builds to take steps to remedy it and take the heat for it. That's the true mark of customer service and satisfaction of a company.


On the flip side of all of this is if they had known it was a serious problem and went ahead with releasing it.... They should be forced to issue replacements or refunds. I think it would behoove them to assure the public that they are on top of this and are doing whatever steps nessasary.

Time will tell.

 

[rews]

That's totally reasonable from your perspective.

If I were used to carrying a phone in my pocket and preferred to carrying in that manner I could understand this, but if I wanted such a large phone in the first place, I wouldn't automatically assume that it should carry the same as a smaller one. It's much bigger, why aren't people looking at the obvious here, and Apple should have said something to educate it's flock since many of them obviously can't think ahead.

I would like to see consumer reports test the ends of the phone compared to the others out of the same size and of the rest of their line of phones . If it is proven dramatically weaker than the rest have Apple resolve the issue. If proven to be be a significant amount than their own line they should be prepared for the worst because as proven here and on many other sites that many people love to hate them and use that as an excuse to condemn them whenever they can. This would certainly damage their reputation even more than it is right now. It's something that would be in their own interests to pursue and not allow to continue to fester.

Does this mean I am a apologist for Apple, no it just means I not quick to get on the bashing wagon with the rest who like to stay on board all the time. I prefer to see definitive scientific proof to back up all these claims and then give them a chance to rectify them if substantiated.

Apple does have a responsibility to ensure that their products are durable enough for daily usage and to stand up to the occasional mishap, but I also feel that the end consumer should have enough common sense to choose the right phone and this includes it's size for how they do things too.

I buy big phones because they're easier to use for my size, and I have big pockets. Your rules about phone size don't apply to me but you appear to behave as if your little world view on what sized phones suit others besides yourself is the defacto standard. It's not. Not everyone is in the featherweight division.

As for your second point, you're obviously one of those people who believe criticism when it comes from you is criticism, but for others it's "jumping on the bash wagon".

You're one self absorbed dude.

 

[MDMcAtee]

I buy big phones because they're easier to use for my size, and I have big pockets. Your rules about phone size don't apply to me but you appear to behave as if your little world view on what sized phones suit others besides yourself is the defacto standard. It's not. Not everyone is in the featherweight division.

As for your second point, you're obviously one of those people who believe criticism when it comes from you is criticism, but for others it's "jumping on the bash wagon".

You're one self absorbed dude.

And you live in your own self absorbed world where it's easier to find fault without having the real substance to back it up.

You're so filled with hate against Apple you assume that everyone else should be as well, and continue arguing with me that you totally ignore what I have actually say.

Fortunately most people like you are usually excluded from sitting in judgment at trials.

These forums are set up to be able to discuss topics where everyone's opinion can be heard, and that upsets you that I have a different way of looking at things. that's just to bad.

You don't like my opinion I really don't care but they are mine not yours or anyone else.

Get over your sensitivities and start using some common sense if you are able to.

BTW... what I have stated is not my rules, but those of common sense. If you feel common sense doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it then continue on with how you do things. It just means we see things from a different perspective.

 

[rews]

And you live in your own self absorbed world where it's easier to find fault without having the real substance to back it up.

You're so filled with hate against Apple you assume that everyone else should be as well, and continue arguing with me that you totally ignore what I have actually say.

Fortunately most people like you are usually excluded from sitting in judgment at trials.

These forums are set up to be able to discuss topics where everyone's opinion can be heard, and that upsets you that I have a different way of looking at things. that's just to bad.

You don't like my opinion I really don't care but they are mine not yours or anyone else.

Get over your sensitivities and start using some common sense if you are able to.

BTW... what I have stated is not my rules, but those of common sense. If you feel common sense doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it then continue on with how you do things. It just means we see things from a different perspective.

Your reply couldn't have been timed better. Just as the notification of your response came over my phone I was listening to Macbreak weekly with Rene Ritchie from iMore.com. I'm paraphrasing here but here's something very applicable to this discussion he had to say. He said he has carried the 6+ in pants pockets, and while his have not bent, he doesn't discount the experiences others have had.

Furthermore and more specific to your statements he also stated that he did NOT agree with comments people are making like, "stupid people doing stupid things with their phones" (his words).

Which is essentially what you are doing. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Oh and I don't know where you're getting this Apple hater thing unless you're just running out of things to fabricate. I listen to and read all kinds of product tech. I own Android, MS, and Apple stuff, about 2-3 devices from each company. Or maybe I was listening to Macbreak weekly because I hate Apple? Lol you give me laugh lines.

 

[MDMcAtee]

Your reply couldn't have been timed better. Just as the notification of your response came over my phone I was listening to Macbreak weekly with Rene Ritchie from iMore.com. I'm paraphrasing here but here's something very applicable to this discussion he had to say. He said he has carried the 6+ in pants pockets, and while his have not bent, he doesn't discount the experiences others have had.

Furthermore and more specific to your statements he also stated that he did NOT agree with comments people are making like, "stupid people doing stupid things with their phones" (his words).

Which is essentially what you are doing. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And this article vindicates your opinion.... Well congratulations I'm ecstatic that it has somehow brightened your day.

I really don't care about it, but if it gives you solace that some feel as you do that is just super..

Like I said previously I want to see some real scientific research done.. Go back and reread what I said without prejudices and you might be enlightened to how I feel about this.

 

[Nerf72]

What's yer opinion on I phones pulling out hair then?........

 

[rews]

And this article vindicates your opinion.... Well congratulations I'm ecstatic that it has somehow brightened your day.

I really don't care about it, but if it gives you solace that some feel as you do that is just super..

Like I said previously I want to see some real scientific research done.. Go back and reread what I said without prejudices and you might be enlightened to how I feel about this.

I'm dubious of taking anything of substance away from people who dismiss others as stupid and lazy. Thanks for the offer though