Now, who wants a metal phone?

[MDMcAtee]

I'm dubious of taking anything of substance away from people who dismiss others as stupid and lazy. Thanks for the offer though

I dismiss others as stupid or lazy if that is exactly what they have shown themselves to be by either their statements or their actions. I have explained myself clearly before with details of how I look at this, which is something you have not been able to do.

Since you either don't how to or care to enter into a intelligent adult conversation please refrain from trying to continue any type of dialogue with me. You continued antagonistic post will serve you no further.

 

[rews]

I dismiss others as stupid or lazy if that is exactly what they have shown themselves to be by either their statements or their actions. I have explained myself clearly before with details of how I look at this, which is something you have not been able to do.

Since you either don't how to or care to enter into a intelligent adult conversation please refrain from trying to continue any type of dialogue with me. You continued antagonistic post will serve you no further.

You're not in any position to judge. There's nothing antagonistic about pointing out that calling others stupid and lazy is rude and arrogant. I shouldn't even have to explain something so obvious, but whatever. Try being nice to people sometime instead of calling them names, you might find you'll get a warmer reception.

 

[MDMcAtee]

You're not in any position to judge. There's nothing antagonistic about pointing out that calling others stupid and lazy is rude and arrogant. I shouldn't even have to explain something so obvious, but whatever. Try being nice to people sometime instead of calling them names, you might find you'll get a warmer reception.

I will give you one last one... We all are in a position to judge others to form an opinion.
Calling folks stupid and lazy when they themselves have shown that they are is not being rude but honest. and sometimes that is needed for someone like them to see especially if presented with sound reasoning. Had I not done so(several times) then yes I would agree whole heartedly with your assessment of what I said, but enlight of the fact that I explained myself fully precludes any off hand remarks you've made against me.

Now if you care to explain yourself fully of why it is rude to call someone who is /has shown themselves to be lazy and stupid or have exhibited some of these traits in the manner I have done so , by all means please do so, but don't accuse me of anything other than giving my honest opinion and expect me to continue even discussing this with you.

 

[Haalcyon]

This is just a piece of advice: it would appear there are borderline personal attacks above. The moderators tend to frown upon that and toning it down may be a good idea.

I carry my Note 3 in my back pocket all the time when I'm wearing (relaxed fit) jeans but I guess I like my phone too much to forget it's there and sit on it. Well, so far anyways. There does come a point where the responsibility shifts from the OEM to the consumer. There seems to be varying opinions when that occurs. Like I've said in other threads, I'm confident the next iPhones will be more durable but I don't think a phone needs to be designed to withstand being sat on.

 

[rews]

Must be some kind of cultural or generational thing. I don't know of any scenario where it's not considered rude to call people stupid. Pretty sure most others feel that way too. I think the spin you're attempting to excuse it is pretty weak.

I doubt very much you're really anyone who I'd look at and think you're any better than the people you're rudely attacking. In most cases it usually turns out to be the opposite.

 

[MDMcAtee]

Must be some kind of cultural or generational thing. I don't know of any scenario where it's not considered rude to call people stupid. Pretty sure most others feel that way too. I think the spin you're attempting to excuse it is pretty weak.

I doubt very much you're really anyone who I'd look at and think you're any better than the people you're rudely attacking. In most cases it usually turns out to be the opposite.

Your entitled to your opinion but stop saying something that is a lie. Only in your mind from your own insecurities and apparent inferiority complex have I ever said I was better than you or anyone else here.

 

[rews]

Your entitled to your opinion but stop saying something that is a lie. Only in your mind from your own insecurities and apparent inferiority complex have I ever said I was better than you or anyone else here.

A lie? I'd quote you, but anyone skimming this thread can already see that you've called people stupid several times and then went on to justify it. Insulting other people is never OK.

 

[MDMcAtee]

A lie? I'd quote you, but anyone skimming this thread can already see that you've called people stupid several times and then went on to justify it. Insulting other people is never OK.

Actually I would like you to quote me on this. You've elected to try to spin this into a lie.

You can take things out of context if you want to cry wolf but saying that I think something is dumb, or that I feel that putting a large glass and aluminum slab in a back pocket is stupid or that stupid people need to have a warning sticker on the device is not being rude, nor is it rude to say someone who chooses to carry their devices not in the safest manner because it is just inconvenience is being lazy.

What this is, you telling a lie.

 

[codyoehl]

This has gotten way off topic...
How about we actually keep talking about what the post is about, and that is using metal in phones

Posted via the Android Central App with my Galaxy S5

 

[rews]

Actually I would like you to quote me on this. You've elected to try to spin this into a lie.

You can take things out of context if you want to cry wolf but saying that I think something is dumb, or that I feel that putting a large glass and aluminum slab in a back pocket is stupid or that stupid people need to have a warning sticker on the device is not being rude, nor is it rude to say someone who chooses to carry their devices not in the safest manner because it is just inconvenience is being lazy.

What this is, you telling a lie.

It's never OK to be insulting to other people, for any reason whatsoever. I find it disturbing that you think there's any excuse to insult another person.

 

[Haalcyon]

It's never OK to be insulting to other people, for any reason whatsoever. I find it disturbing that you think there's any excuse to insult another person.

Don't take too much offense, some of us, myself included, occassionally forget our manners when we're in cyberland.

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[MDMcAtee]

This has gotten way off topic...
How about we actually keep talking about what the post is about, and that is using metal in phones

Posted via the Android Central App with my Galaxy S5

Good idea.. Because the rest of this has become totally strange .

Should we want to buy metal clad phones? I see some reasons to, but I understand it's pitfalls and take appropriate steps to ensure that mine remain protected. It's not my only reason to.

What matters most to me is the inside and if the outside is built like my m8 so much the better it's just icing on the package.

The iPhone issue doesn't change my mind about my m8 or metal clad phones in general nor would it stop me from buying another one, but it does make me want to see more scientific testing done on the iPhone 6+ against their own line of phones and appropriate steps taken to educate people who otherwise don't know the possibility of damaging it from what they are used to doing with a smaller sized phone since many want to carry it in their pockets.

 

[A895]

I don't know to be honest. Maybe maybe not.

I know this about all of it. Just because I can do something doesn't mean I should.

I can fit my 7" Asus tablet in my back pocket, does that mean Asus should have tested it just because I or someone else may want to carry it around there? Granted most people wouldn't do this and I know more folks are used to carrying a cell phone in their pockets but the same logic applies to this.

This is a matter of perception of just what a company should be accountable for.

Please don't misunderstand this because I am not implying any thing towards you or any other here this is just for a lack of better saying this .... But.... Has it come so far in today's society that every company has to ***** proof every product because of what someone "might do" with a item? What has happened to change the responsibility of the individual to use common sense?

Should they have known, perhaps they did, but I don't have a way of proving it either way. I am not privy to the design teams notes or communications about it.

Like I said I would hope Apple has this tested scientifically and if those results show a substantial difference between their own line of phones compared to others of similar builds to take steps to remedy it and take the heat for it. That's the true mark of customer service and satisfaction of a company.


On the flip side of all of this is if they had known it was a serious problem and went ahead with releasing it.... They should be forced to issue replacements or refunds. I think it would behoove them to assure the public that they are on top of this and are doing whatever steps nessasary.

Time will tell.

Common sense should come into play when a manufacturer should think "hey phones go in pockets, can our phone handle being pockets?". That just shows lack of foresight on Apples fault, but because it is Apple, no one will care and this issue has already blown over with the media. I don't think I have to change the way I carry a phone just because the manufacturer didn't properly test it.

 

[A895]

Metal is a bad choice in phone materials.

/thread

 

[Haalcyon]

Airplanes have metal in them, cars, computers, etc. There's a lot to be said for metal. However, it is malleable and that should be taken into account and addressed when designing with it. If the iPhone 6 were internally braced it would address the ~90lbs of force needed to bend the phone but at the cost of, perhaps, weight. Would the majority of prospective iPhone 6+ users be happier with a notably heavier, yet more durable, device? If Apple had chosen to use plastic the device may have been less maleable but would everyone still feel it had the same material quality as metal? Personally, I would LOVE to see Apple adopr Kevlar as a chassis material...and Kevlar is a plastic, albeit, not one typically associated with "cheapness".

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[MDMcAtee]

Common sense should come into play when a manufacturer should think "hey phones go in pockets, can our phone handle being pockets?". That just shows lack of foresight on Apples fault, but because it is Apple, no one will care and this issue has already blown over with the media. I don't think I have to change the way I carry a phone just because the manufacturer didn't properly test it.

True to a point, but then if those at Apple in charge of all of this went under the assumption that those who purchased this device had the ability to see the pitfalls of doing something like this and would utilize a better means of transportation for the device that the way it was designed wouldn't effect the majority of it's own users.
No one here is privy to the decision making process at Apple and this is just us speculating.

Most of this comes down to how the individual feels about it and what risks are involved and their choices of their risk taking. The rest of this is my pov below.

From your pov Apple should have accommodated those who carry a phone this size in their pockets, from my pov the individual should have the capability of understanding the risk and take the appropriate steps to ensure that the various device is properly protected and that common sense should apply to both with provisions .

Bigger thinner phones will bend easier than smaller thicker phones. The problem I see is some people who don't understand this, some people who assume that since it's a iPhone that they won't.

Right now I fault Apple for not educating people on this. I fault Apple for not getting on this prior to the sales of the phones. I fault Apple for not testing this in a manner that can show if their phone is significantly weaker where these phones are bending for some people.

What I will do is slam the company if they don't test it properly and if they do and is shown to have a design fault that makes it easier to be damaged than their other phones and then fail to make right on it to it's customers not because of the fault itself but because they failed to inform the people about it. It's called disclosure which we all have a right to from all manufacturers of every thing we can purchase , and then it's up to each of us to decide if the product is worth buying.

 

[MDMcAtee]

Airplanes have metal in them, cars, computers, etc. There's a lot to be said for metal. However, it is malleable and that should be taken into account and addressed when designing with it. If the iPhone 6 were internally braced it would address the ~90lbs of force needed to bend the phone but at the cost of, perhaps, weight. Would the majority of prospective iPhone 6+ users be happier with a notably heavier, yet more durable, device? If Apple had chosen to use plastic the device may have been less maleable but would everyone still feel it had the same material quality as metal? Personally, I would LOVE to see Apple adopr Kevlar as a chassis material...and Kevlar is a plastic, albeit, not one typically associated with "cheapness".

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I too would like to see kevlar incorporated, but given the cost with the manufacturing process know it would be prohibited on that alone, and since the infrastructure has not yet been developed for such a large scale production the wait time would be extreme.

 

[Haalcyon]

^ I have to agree somewhat. I mean, what kind of pockets should OEMs design for? Tight jeans worn by an obese person? Baggy saggy jeans? Slim fit dress pants? Skin tight pants? Roomy cargo pants? Oh, the average pocket you say? What are the dimensions of the average pants pocket? How tight or loose is the average pocket? Too many variables and I think that may be why OEMs don't put much, if any, focus on that.

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[Nerf72]

Which bit?

The inside. The frame, the shell, the chassis?

Apple use glass, metal, n the outside of a device because of its tactillity in the hand. Not for engineering. Glass is awful for anything, aluminium is light but ductile and requires anodising to be of any use on the shell.

Rubberised plastic is the best material for the outside of a phone. Its robust, doesn't scratch, or chip, or stop radio waves. Its grippy and it absorbs shock. Until apple rocked up with its warped hipster approach, all phones were built with it. Apple have turned a tool into a piece of jewellery.

 

[Haalcyon]

Which bit?

The inside. The frame, the shell, the chassis?

Apple use glass, metal, n the outside of a device because of its tactillity in the hand. Not for engineering. Glass is awful for anything, aluminium is light but ductile and requires anodising to be of any use on the shell.

Rubberised plastic is the best material for the outside of a phone. Its robust, doesn't scratch, or chip, or stop radio waves. Its grippy and it absorbs shock. Until apple rocked up with its warped hipster approach, all phones were built with it. Apple have turned a tool into a piece of jewellery.

Nothing wrong with Apple turning a "tool" into a piece of jewelry because that appeals to a lot of people (but not me). See, Apple is just one of many players, one of many options. Don't like how they do things? I totally understand. Buy any of the plethora of other choices. Apple fills a market that desires its wares. ...just as Motorola, HTC, Nokia, Samsung, LG, etc. do. To me, it'd be quite the bore if they ALL were just the same.

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