Official Signal Strength and Reception Thread

Re: My SGN has worse signal than other SGNs

I've been having the same problem.

It appears that the problem stems from the way Verizon handles 3G/4G connectivity.

This Is Why Your Verizon Galaxy Nexus (Or Other 4G LTE VZW Phone) Is Losing Its Data Connection

And for those who don't feel like clicking on links:

"After months of wondering and looking around for answers, we think we've finally found out why all of Verizon's 4G LTE phones (and modems / USB dongles) are having data connectivity issues, and it's a wee-bit technical even for us, but we'll do our best. This information has been gathered from various comments and forums across the net, so, take us at our word here.
When Verizon launched its LTE network in November of 2010, it was the first time the carrier had utilized a GSM-based (WCDMA, as opposed to CDMA2000) network in the United States. All Verizon phones and data-enabled devices had previously run on CDMA2000 connections - the network responsible for Verizon's 3G and 2G data. CDMA2000 uses an older authentication system (identifying and OK'ing your device to connect to the data network). Verizon's new 4G LTE network uses a newer, different, and more robust scheme to authenticate devices.
So, in an attempt to smooth out the transition to the new technology (Verizon intends to decommission its 3G network in most areas eventually) and ensure handsets used uniform schemes to connect to any part of the data network, Verizon essentially made it a network directive that all 4G LTE devices would use a single authentication system for both 3G and 4G data connectivity. They did this by requiring all 4G devices use UICC SIM cards, which allow for authentication on many types of networks.
This is what your 4G LTE UICC SIM card does - it's responsible for authenticating you on both Verizon's 3G and 4G networks. Verizon 3G-only phones use the old authentication system, because they don't have these SIM cards. Verizon is the only carrier in the US currently operating on this somewhat odd mixture of authentication schemes and network technologies. This means there are now millions of devices connecting to Verizon's 3G network using an authentication scheme Verizon hasn't previously utilized on that network, and (major) hiccups are occurring as a result.
The "hiccups" are authentication failures - the new scheme is extremely particular about failed attempts to authenticate a device. Your device authenticates regularly, "checking in" with the network to ensure you're still supposed to be connected. When your device fails to authenticate on the network (for any reason - and there are a gamut of possibilities), Verizon will kick you off the data side (not voice, though), either 3G or 4G. At this point, you notice you no longer have a data connection, and throw your phone at the nearest wall.
The severity of the problem can depend on your device. Some devices are more likely to re-attempt authentication immediately, and ten or fifteen seconds later, you're good to go. Some won't - and have to be forced to re-authenticate by switching in and out of airplane mode. Some won't even respond to that, and have to be powered on and off. Our speculation in regards to the varying severity is that it more than likely depends on how aggressive the phone's battery conservation software is. If a device loses connection, it may think it's in a "fringe" coverage zone and stop attempting to reconnect to the network to avoid wasting battery. It could also be that the device's software is just poorly written to deal with such regular failed attempts to get network authentication.
Verizon has promised fixes for this issue on almost every 4G LTE phone it has released. Some updates to phones like the ThunderBolt have decreased the prevalence of the problem for some users, but it seems there has been no "magic bullet" as of yet. Verizon has specifically said it's investigating the issue on the Galaxy Nexus, but we wouldn't expect miracles given their track record on this debacle. My DROID Charge review unit had the problem. The ThunderBolt obviously had the problem. My DROID BIONIC has the problem (the new update did not fix it), and now the Galaxy Nexus is suffering from it as well.
Of course, the root problem is Verizon's obviously flawed implementation of its new authentication system, something they've doubtless been working to correct. The fact that devices are so often failing to authenticate is an issue for Verizon to resolve on its end, so let's hope they're nearing a solution."
 
Re: My SGN has worse signal than other SGNs

Since you are already unlocked, I would e flash a 4.0.3 ROM to see if your signal issue is software related. If that doesn't help exchange the phone for a better unit.
 
Re: My SGN has worse signal than other SGNs

Thanks! Ive been lurking for a while anddecifed to make one. And i will flash a 4.0.3 to try it out. Thsnks.
 
Re: My SGN has worse signal than other SGNs

That all sounds great but what does that have to do with someone on the LTE Network with a lousy signal compared to someone right next to them on the LTE Network with a strong signal. Both phones are connected to the LTE Network on the same kind of phone one with a strong signal and the other with a lousy signal. Sounds more like a device problem not the Network problem. Sounds to me the Nexus phone has some problems no matter how anyone tries to stir it. That is very depressing after these knuckleheads spent over a year putting this phone together. The Razr doesn't suffer from this issue.
 
Re: Anyone still having issues with the signal

Still having mad issues at work, 4g drops for minutes at a time and it won't go to 3g when that happens. Costco didn't have phones for me to exchange mine, they are still out! They did give me a new SIM but I forgot the password on the account so I need to get that activated this weekend sometime. I have my doubts that that would change anything.
 
Re: low signal strength?

I was at the VZW store in my area and there was an HTC Rezound and a Gnex.. the Rezound has 5 bars and so do all the other LTE smartphones around but the Gnex has 2 bars. If I were to switch from the i4s to the Gnex, should i expect similar problems?? Or should I stick with HTC rezound or the razr maxx?
 
Re: low signal strength?

I was at the VZW store in my area and there was an HTC Rezound and a Gnex.. the Rezound has 5 bars and so do all the other LTE smartphones around but the Gnex has 2 bars. If I were to switch from the i4s to the Gnex, should i expect similar problems?? Or should I stick with HTC rezound or the razr maxx?

you can not look at the bars, you need to look at the signal strength. Bars are faked out by the wireless companies to please customers when they claim the signal is not strong enough.

I go by how many calls where dropped. my nexus is none.(but i am not a power call user, maybe 1 per day)
 
Re: low signal strength?

I was at the VZW store in my area and there was an HTC Rezound and a Gnex.. the Rezound has 5 bars and so do all the other LTE smartphones around but the Gnex has 2 bars. If I were to switch from the i4s to the Gnex, should i expect similar problems?? Or should I stick with HTC rezound or the razr maxx?

The bars are meaningless. These are digital phones. You either have a signal or you do not. It is either a 1 or a 0.
 
Article on signal strength comparison.

How To Measure Cell Signal Strength on Android Phones - Tested



The signal bars displayed at the top of the screen are never going to be your best bet for determining signal, no matter what phone you're using. Android also covers a large swath of very strong signal with just the highest bar indicator. In case you're not familiar, signal is usually measured in dBm. dBm is the power ratio in decibels of the radio power per one milliwatt.

A signal of -60dBm is nearly perfect, and -112dBm is call-dropping bad. If you're above about -87 dBm, Android will report a full 4 bars of signal.

This is the best answer by far... that 1 and 0 answer above is only right from a programming standpoint and isn't accurate.

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Re: low signal strength?

This is the best answer by far... that 1 and 0 answer above is only right from a programming standpoint and isn't accurate.

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Not sure if his answer applies to phones, but it does apply to digital TV. You either have a signal, or you don't.
 
A digital tv is also stationary and tethered or picking up a wifi signal. When you have a moving object the strength of the signal matters. Signals can drop and reconnect in split seconds... the idea that signal strength doesn't matter on a wireless device, is just wrong. No signal strength isn't important if you're using a data connection, generally. However, on 3g - 4g or wifi signal strength matters a great deal to the down/upstream performance. As far as dropped calls... usually they're two things. The terrain or the carrier. Terrain being for example a low lying area with a poor signal. Ill be at home and bounce from 3 of 4 bars on 3g to dropping signal completely... no data signal... just an error tone

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Re: low signal strength?

I thought some of you might be interested in this thread from galaxynexusforum.com. Apparently most who have baseband version .10 on their phones get better signal than those who have version .09. You can see your version in Settings/About Phone/Baseband version. Apparently there is a hardware version too. At this point I don't claim to be an expert and have just recently started to learn about these things since I got my first Android phone (Charge) back in June. I did my own very unscientific experiment today, and at least the two Nexi that I tested did show better signal level for version .10. Here's the link.....

I515.10 radio update or hardware revision?

The comments for the test I did today are on page 8.
 
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Real World Signal Reception On The GNEX

I've been with Verizon for some time. I'm a real world cell user that logs about 4000 minutes a month on my primary line. The area I live in gives me some good cand onsistant testing opportunities. I have two small areas that I drive regularly that are very weak signal spots and provide for realistic comparisons.

In the last two years I have had the following phones active on my two Verizon lines to test with. Blackberry Curve, Blackberry Bold, Blackberry Storm, Blackberry Storm 2, OG Droid, Droid X, Samsung Fascinate, HTC Thunderbolt, Motorola Bionic, Samsung Galaxy Nexus.

The phones are always in a cradle on the dash of my vehicle.

In my two low signal areas I have observed the following:

The Motorola phones (all of them) would seldom exibit any noticable indication durring the conversation in these areas that service was weak and would not ever drop calls.

The Samsung phones including the GNEX show signs of a weak signal with broken unintelligible moments in conversations but do not drop the call.

The Thunberbolt would show signs of a weak signal with broken conversations and would sometimes drop the call.

The Blackberry products all would drop the call everytime without exception in these two spots.

Just my observations. Not scientific but very real "seat of the pants".
 
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Erratic 4G signal..

I know this has been covered already. Although it is clear that this phone suffers weaker than normal signal, and pretty sub-par building penetration - I think the biggest issue, for me at least, is data switching. Going from no service to 3G to 4G.

Example: I live in NYC and commute by train every day. It goes from no service, being underground, then regaining service when I am above ground. I take the same route every single day.. Here's the strange part. Every day I pickup a 4G signal in different locations. Sometimes it will be 2 stops after being above ground, sometime 4 stops, sometimes even longer.

Has anyone seen anything similar? The only other device I have owned under Verizon was the Thunderbolt, and it picked up a 4G signal much faster, and at a constant location. Is there an app that will allow geotracking of signal to retain some sort of log?

Thanks.
 
this is weird...still have bad signal with repeater

They really need to do sonething with this phone because i am currently at work where we have an in house VZW repeater litetally 12 feet from me.

I currently have "2 bars" and showing -93dBm while my co worker on a LG Revolution has full bars and a -61dBm reading and another co worker using a HTC Incredible has 4 bars with -63dBm.

Wow and i have a "flagship" device......
 
Re: this is weird...

It is a problem, no doubt. I am waiting for the OTA update to see what happens.

Unfortunately, I couldn't wait to buy $200 worth of accessories for the GNex, which I will have to try to sell if I can't live with my GNex after the OTA update.
 
Re: this is weird...

They really need to do sonething with this phone because i am currently at work where we have an in house VZW repeater litetally 12 feet from me.

I currently have "2 bars" and showing -93dBm while my co worker on a LG Revolution has full bars and a -61dBm reading and another co worker using a HTC Incredible has 4 bars with -63dBm.

Wow and i have a "flagship" device......

It is a problem, no doubt. I am waiting for the OTA update to see what happens.

Unfortunately, I couldn't wait to buy $200 worth of accessories for the GNex, which I will have to try to sell if I can't live with my GNex after the OTA update.

lol what'd you buy?

The 4.0.4 radios are vastly, vastly improved. I get 4G in the lead cave that is my bedroom. Root/flash or stay patient!
 
The 4.0.4 is a smoke and cover for the signal issues. Even though I have 3-4 bars I have 100-102 dBm. Not very cool.

Just letting you know.



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Re: this is weird...

The 4.0.4 is a smoke and cover for the signal issues. Even though I have 3-4 bars I have 100-102 dBm. Not very cool.

Just letting you know.



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No they aren't. I've had the radios flashed for a good 15 hours now and I get vastly improved signal in my area, as do loads of people (check the XDA thread if you don't believe). You may have differing results, but those differing results in no way mean they are "smoke and mirrors" IMHO.

For instance, in my room where I am sitting, I see a 4G indicator. Hey, there's a first time for anything!
 

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