Talk me out of getting a V30

[Law2138]

There is no difference in quality from bluetooth to the 3.5 mm jack.

Bruh, really?

 

[Googlepixelxl2]

Amazing... I dont know what I'm talking about, but your streaming music from less than fully capable sites. Fact is if you're streaming music from the sites you mention you start out at a disadvantage compared to streaming lossless files from Tidal or listening to lossless files stored on your device or other storage medium.

All of my music is downloaded to my phone. I don't stream any of my music from any services.

 

[Googlepixelxl2]

Bruh, really?

Bruh, what cheap o bluetooth ear buds or devices are you using? My JayBird X2 ear buds sound amazing over bluetooth. So does my ZVOX 670 Soundbase speaker system for my 75 inch TV. You can connect it to your phone via bluetooth. The same applies to the equipment in both of my rides. Just because you buy cheap bluetooth ear buds doesn't mean you know what you are talking about. I have to take a hearing test as a pilot every year and I ace it. There is no difference if you have a great amp and speakers.

 

[ScottsoNJ]

Bruh, what cheap o bluetooth ear buds or devices are you using? My JayBird X2 ear buds sound amazing over bluetooth. So does my ZVOX 670 Soundbase speaker system for my 75 inch TV. You can connect it to your phone via bluetooth. The same applies to the equipment in both of my rides. Just because you buy cheap bluetooth ear buds doesn't mean you know what you are talking about. I have to take a hearing test as a pilot every year and I ace it. There is no difference if you have a great amp and speakers.

So are you saying the V30 with the Quad Dac won't sound any better with headphones than the Pixel 2XL with headphones?

 

[Mike Dee]

All of my music is downloaded to my phone. I don't stream any of my music from any services.

If we start out with the same lossless sound file, the ouput from a DAC, especially a dedicated DAC like the one in V30 or other high end external DAC, the audio output is better than the output from a Bluetooth device. That's not an opinion, that's just a fact. So if we take both outputs and run them through the same equipment the wired DAC wins. It's just that simple. Its true if we are talking about decent to high end headphones that run off wired and Bluetooth and it's true if we have the same Amps and speakers. This not about who's an audiophile and who’s not. The difference is clearly audible and certainly measureable. Anyway, we are now off topic because the original poster is trying to decide which phone to get and it's not just about audio.

 

[Law2138]

Bruh, what cheap o bluetooth ear buds or devices are you using? My JayBird X2 ear buds sound amazing over bluetooth. So does my ZVOX 670 Soundbase speaker system for my 75 inch TV. You can connect it to your phone via bluetooth. The same applies to the equipment in both of my rides. Just because you buy cheap bluetooth ear buds doesn't mean you know what you are talking about. I have to take a hearing test as a pilot every year and I ace it. There is no difference if you have a great amp and speakers.

Uh...these.

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

Bluetooth is incapable of transferring a file higher than 24-bit 48Khz. And that's if you have a matched set of aptX HD equipment. Standard aptX equipment can only transfer 16-bit 44.1Khz quality. And either way it's compressed.

Jaybird X2 earphones don't support aptX. They use the default SBC codec, which can perform really well with a mono signal under 4Khz. Then it starts to become a trainwreck, especially in the latency department.

Tl;dr — it's mathematically impossible for Bluetooth to transfer files at high quality because of the limits of the audio codecs and compression. If you're using Jaybird earbuds, you get exactly the same Bluetooth quality as the Nexus 5x and 6P had, which drew complaints from almost everyone.

 

[ffejjj]

Bluetooth is incapable of transferring a file higher than 24-bit 48Khz. And that's if you have a matched set of aptX HD equipment. Standard aptX equipment can only transfer 16-bit 44.1Khz quality. And either way it's compressed.

Jaybird X2 earphones don't support aptX. They use the default SBC codec, which can perform really well with a mono signal under 4Khz. Then it starts to become a trainwreck, especially in the latency department.

Tl;dr — it's mathematically impossible for Bluetooth to transfer files at high quality because of the limits of the audio codecs and compression. If you're using Jaybird earbuds, you get exactly the same Bluetooth quality as the Nexus 5x and 6P had, which drew complaints from almost everyone.

Clarity from the boss

 

[Mike Dee]

Thanks Jerry for presenting the facts in a clear, concise manor.

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

Clarity from the boss ������

Thanks Jerry for presenting the facts in a clear, concise manor.

That doesn't mean the music doesn't sound really good to the listener tho.


A lot of these differences are inaudible to all humans, and even more aren't audible to everyone. If your ear does not hear a certain frequency, it doesn't matter how it sounds. If what you hear all sounds good, it's good.

 

[strikeIII]

Bluetooth is incapable of transferring a file higher than 24-bit 48Khz. And that's if you have a matched set of aptX HD equipment. Standard aptX equipment can only transfer 16-bit 44.1Khz quality. And either way it's compressed.

Jaybird X2 earphones don't support aptX. They use the default SBC codec, which can perform really well with a mono signal under 4Khz. Then it starts to become a trainwreck, especially in the latency department.

Tl;dr — it's mathematically impossible for Bluetooth to transfer files at high quality because of the limits of the audio codecs and compression. If you're using Jaybird earbuds, you get exactly the same Bluetooth quality as the Nexus 5x and 6P had, which drew complaints from almost everyone.

That doesn't mean the music doesn't sound really good to the listener tho.


A lot of these differences are inaudible to all humans, and even more aren't audible to everyone. If your ear does not hear a certain frequency, it doesn't matter how it sounds. If what you hear all sounds good, it's good.

But can this Quality be achieved via the USB-C port? If so, how?

 

[Aquila]

But can this Quality be achieved via the USB-C port? If so, how?

Yes, phone can support it and push digital signal to a high quality DAC in the headphones (assuming C) or one in the C to 3.5 mm adapter.

 

[strikeIII]

Yes, phone can support it and push digital signal to a high quality DAC in the headphones (assuming C) or one in the C to 3.5 mm adapter.

Any suggestions of a C to 3.5mm adapter that has a good quality DAC? And that's not bulky?

 

[Aquila]

Any suggestions of a C to 3.5mm adapter that has a good quality DAC? And that's not bulky?

I don't have a suggestion until we see reviews of the one that comes with the pixels.

 

[modifier]

Any suggestions of a C to 3.5mm adapter that has a good quality DAC? And that's not bulky?

Audioquest Dragonfly Black or Red plus a short USB-C male to USB-A female cable.

But, listen to your Pixel 2 / 2 XL first before buying anything. You might like the stock setup.

 

[Aquila]

Audioquest Dragonfly Black or Red plus a short USB-C male to USB-A female cable.

But, listen to your Pixel 2 / 2 XL first before buying anything. You might like the stock setup.

Afaik the pixel 2 DAC is 32 bit w aqstic codec, but I'm not very knowledgeable about such things.

 

[Almeuit]

Bluetooth is incapable of transferring a file higher than 24-bit 48Khz. And that's if you have a matched set of aptX HD equipment. Standard aptX equipment can only transfer 16-bit 44.1Khz quality. And either way it's compressed.

Jaybird X2 earphones don't support aptX. They use the default SBC codec, which can perform really well with a mono signal under 4Khz. Then it starts to become a trainwreck, especially in the latency department.

Tl;dr — it's mathematically impossible for Bluetooth to transfer files at high quality because of the limits of the audio codecs and compression. If you're using Jaybird earbuds, you get exactly the same Bluetooth quality as the Nexus 5x and 6P had, which drew complaints from almost everyone.

Thanks, Jerry .

 

[modifier]

Afaik the pixel 2 DAC is 32 bit w aqstic codec, but I'm not very knowledgeable about such things.

That's likely the DAC built into the 835 SoC. It's honestly not a bad DAC, really, and sounds surprisingly good with the right EQ. It just lacks amplification, especially for headphones that are harder to drive.

 

[dsignori]

Audioquest Dragonfly Black or Red plus a short USB-C male to USB-A female cable.

But, listen to your Pixel 2 / 2 XL first before buying anything. You might like the stock setup.

Hmm. Not sure if that qualifies as "not bulky" . It looks like a USB stick size it seems. I'd want something thinner than that ..

 

[Mike Dee]

Hmm. Not sure if that qualifies as "not bulky" . It looks like a USB stick size it seems. I'd want something thinner than that ..

That's about as small as I've seen