The iPhone SE 2020 basically just killed the Pixel 4a and other value flagships...

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

What some people are missing is that there are folks who like TouchID, who like their current iPhone (6-8) but want a refreshed version with a better processor/camera.
The SE fills that void. My wife is on the iPhone 8 and refuses to get the 11Pro (even though it is slightly larger it's a no go). So this phone makes sense.

The bolded part is exactly what those commenting on the AC articles have not even understood.

This SE in terms of principle is exactly the same as the previous SE, in the sense that it mixes a current-generation processor and some of its accompanying hardware into a previous-generation body design aimed towards a very specific customer demographic who just like the older design but also want the newer hardware.

You're not getting it if you want a design that isn't from 2014, a larger battery or a camera that's retained most of the impressive processing tricks from its flagship counterpart. You get it if you love your iPhone 6/6s/7/8 and wouldn't want to switch to the iPhone X-design but also want more recent hardware.

 

[the_boon]

The iPhone SE 2020 is NOTHING more than an iPhone 8 from 2017 (which has the same casing as the 6 from 2014) with a newer processor slapped in it.

Call it "iLazy"

Are they using unsold casings from the 8 for this??

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

The iPhone SE 2020 is NOTHING more than an iPhone 8 from 2017 (which has the same casing as the 6 from 2014) with a newer processor slapped in it.

Call it "iLazy"

Are they using unsold casings from the 8 for this??

It's the same principle as the previous SE. I don't get why people are so worked up over it.

It's designed solely for people who want the old iPhone 6/7/8 design with the fingerprint sensor but also want more recent hardware.

I feel that almost everyone who has complained about it were never going to buy it anyhow.

 

[the_boon]

It's the same principle as the previous SE. I don't get why people are so worked up over it.

It's designed solely for people who want the old iPhone 6/7/8 design with the fingerprint sensor but also want more recent hardware.

The iPhone 8 is still on the latest iOS and the processor seems plenty fast enough, even today.

Seems like an unnecessary device. Easy cash grab.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

The iPhone 8 is still on the latest iOS and the processor seems plenty fast enough, even today.

Seems like an unnecessary device. Easy cash grab.

Like how the original SE was "unnecessary" because the iPhone 5S still ran iOS well at that time?

Sheesh, guess they can't satisfy everyone.

 

[the_boon]

Like how the original SE was unnecessary because the iPhone 5S still ran iOS well at that time.

Sheesh, guess they can't satisfy everyone.

Not like I was gonna buy that phone anyways, but it just feels like a typical Apple move.

I bet in September there will be at least one of the new iPhones that will use the same casing/design as the X/XS/11 Pro or as the Xr/11

 

[Javier P]

It's the same principle as the previous SE. I don't get why people are so worked up over it.

It's designed solely for people who want the old iPhone 6/7/8 design with the fingerprint sensor but also want more recent hardware.

I feel that almost everyone who has complained about it were never going to buy it anyhow.

I think it could be different if this thread was created to discuss if the SE is an intelligent, commercial or bold decision. The problem is that the title and main claim is that it basically killed the 4a and other value flagships, which is something in between a sensationalistic clickbait and just plainly ridiculous.

There are just a few facts that we all know about this new(s) phone(s) and none of them prove that bombastic claim. And most importantly we don't know how camera, battery life, screen quality or day to day performance will compare.

Yes, the idea of making a cheapish phone with a best chip is very good, but nothing more than that so far.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

I think it could be different if this thread was created to discuss if the SE is an intelligent, commercial or bold decision. The problem is that the title and main claim is that it basically killed the 4a and other value flagships, which is something in between a sensationalistic clickbait and just plainly ridiculous.

There are just a few facts that we all know about this new(s) phone(s) and none of them prove that bombastic claim. And most importantly we don't know how camera, battery life, screen quality or day to day performance will compare.

Yes, the idea of making a cheapish phone with a best chip is very good, but nothing more than that so far.

At worst, it'll probably be like the iPhone 8, so basically good but unremarkable. Battery life will probably be below-average especially for heavy use.

I do agree that the headline is far-fetched. I can sort of see why but I think the 4a will appeal to others who are willing to make a sacrifice in chipset if they get a phone that works better for their needs.

Either way, the $400 phone market just got more interesting, and given current events, the timing couldn't be more appropriate.

 

[Javier P]

At worst, it'll probably be like the iPhone 8, so basically good but unremarkable. Battery life will probably be below-average especially for heavy use.

I do agree that the headline is far-fetched. I can sort of see why but I think the 4a will appeal to others who are willing to make a sacrifice in chipset if they get a phone that works better for their needs.

Either way, the $400 phone market just got more interesting, and given current events, the timing couldn't be more appropriate.

Agreed with all this.

 

[mustang7757]

I'm all for these phones at 400.00 price point
Look what pjxel 3a did for Google ... great phone without the big price .

 

[bembol]

Agreed. Almost makes me wanna buy it.

Wait...

LOL

 

[Mr Segundus]

Yep. The single camera on the iPhone SE with the A13 Bionic will take amazing photos. It'll get software updates for 5 years. I mean, what Android phone can you get for $400 that has the best chipset, great camera, and that kind of software support?

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Yep. The single camera on the iPhone SE with the A13 Bionic will take amazing photos. It'll get software updates for 5 years. I mean, what Android phone can you get for $400 that has the best chipset, great camera, and that kind of software support?

The closest would probably be the Pixel 3A/4A with its 3 years of updates but I don't think any Android OEM has actually went beyond that.

Regardless, you do make some concessions, and like everything, won't appeal to everyone. I do hope the Pixel 4A is good because then we would have 2 very compelling choices in the $400 space.

 

[Mike Dee]

In the end there is nothing that would make me want an iPhone at either end of the scale. I have an Xr for work and it's not bad at all because it's got a decent screen size but I still prefer Android. As an enterprise solution for 14,000 employees they do everything we need quite well. I'm not suggesting iPhones suck at everything else. They certainly do a lot of things well. It's just not my thing.

 

[Ry]

I think it could be different if this thread was created to discuss if the SE is an intelligent, commercial or bold decision. The problem is that the title and main claim is that it basically killed the 4a and other value flagships, which is something in between a sensationalistic clickbait and just plainly ridiculous.

There are just a few facts that we all know about this new(s) phone(s) and none of them prove that bombastic claim. And most importantly we don't know how camera, battery life, screen quality or day to day performance will compare.

Yes, the idea of making a cheapish phone with a best chip is very good, but nothing more than that so far.

(the title of the thread is the title of an Android Central article)

 

[Ry]

The iPhone SE 2020 is NOTHING more than an iPhone 8 from 2017 (which has the same casing as the 6 from 2014) with a newer processor slapped in it.

Call it "iLazy"

Are they using unsold casings from the 8 for this??

I mean technically it's the iPhone 7, not 6 since the new SE lacks a headphone jack.

Even still, it's not like people stopped buying the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8. Both of those phones were reportedly in the top ten for global phone shipments in 2019.

Lazy? No. Smart business move. You have the parts. Cobble something updated together at minimal cost.

 

[fjleon]

this phone is going to hit google pretty hard. it's rumored that even the pixel 5 "flagship" will be a mid range phone. mix in google's arrogance in pricing, add oneplus to the mix and it's laughable that a $400 cheap iphone will have better performance and cost half the price. it's already freezing in hell just by using iphone and cheap in the same sentence.

 

[Ry]

this phone is going to hit google pretty hard. it's rumored that even the pixel 5 "flagship" will be a mid range phone. mix in google's arrogance in pricing, add oneplus to the mix and it's laughable that a $400 cheap iphone will have better performance and cost half the price. it's already freezing in hell just by using iphone and cheap in the same sentence.

...I mean they did the cheap iPhone with the original SE. But yeah flagship phones weren't really $1000+ back then.

 

[cbreze]

I may or may not pick one of these up but my Pixel 2 is most likely going to need to be replaced sometime this year due to the battery dropping off a bit. Interested in either the Pixel 4a or the SE. There is absolutely nothing else that trips my trigger at all. Also really tired of shelling out boatloads of money for a new phone. . Back in the day, sure, but most everything's been done. Innovations are minimal anymore, not worth it to me anyway. I'm digging the new low prices with decent specs and cams. One thing I really like about the SE is the smaller size. I had an iPhone 7 and the size was really nice, used to like big phones but what for? I don't get the attraction. I'm not on it constantly and I don't watch Netflix on a phone. Much prefer a small shirt pocket size device that's easily handled. The Pixel 4a I'm hearing may be only one size this time, no xl version. A size between an xl and the smaller for a screen size of 5.8"? If true it's probably going to be something I'd be less interested in. I'm hoping for the same overall size as the P2 but not larger. Doubtful about that being the case..

 

[Zanderpanda]

Utter drivel. Camera on this thing will be the same old crappy 12mp - for the same money you can get a xiaomi note 10 pro - quad cam set up including telephoto, 108mp, ois and laser focus. According to dxmark ranking this mid range camera smashes the iPhone 11 pro scores let alone what you'll find on this handset. The iPhone 11 pro only just sneaks into the top 10 camera scores and will be out the top 10 by end of the year. Some flagship.
Its all very well saying the updates will go on 5 years - you'll have needed at least 2 new batteries and thanks to Mr built in obsolescence jobs it'll get slower with every update. The real kicker is no one keeps a phone that long. The only people using these old iPhone are teenagers that need to say they have an iPhone, and will shell out pocket money for an iPhone 6 or 6sbrather than spend the same on a brand new Chinese handset that wipes the floor with it.
In fact you can pick up huawei mate 10 pro, few years old but far superior camera set up with ois laser focus and leica lenses. The images off this thing are unreal, outperforms my nikon dslr most of the time.