One example of why I like tests rather than just looking at it is when I see someone say, "this shot had more accurate colors, but the other looked better" and then they give the win to "the other". I understand WHY they're doing that, but it is technically incorrect. Now, I don't think that DXO and others have figured out the end all of camera analysis, but their methodology is definitely better than having some random person take random shots with their unknown skill level and make observations with their unknown knowledge level.
The Nexus 6P Camera - Preliminary by DxOMark
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There's definitely some minor value in their tests. But I'll put more value in someone like Dpreview that will let you compare the same scenes side by side, in studio where the conditions don't change, performed by someone who knows what they are doing, and see for myself.
Photography is about the visual I see, not what a computer tells me I should see.
I like dpreview a lot. About half of the almost nothing I know about photography I learned from them.
LeoRex
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Photography tests are a tricky bunch, especially with mobile phones. The issue with a lot of them is there are a bunch of unknowns. Specifically a lot of those 'x vs. y' articles we see aren't all that useful. Why? There's nothing to compare. Rarely, if ever, do any of these comparisons toss up baseline images from a high quality DSLR. Like its been said, we're taking a reviewer's word on how accurate the colors of the resulting pics are. Now, color accuracy is only one component....
Another thing I've noticed, and is also rarely mentioned... there is a lot of variability in the pictures even on the exact same phone. You can take the same shot several times and you can get different results each time. You rely on the little electronic brain to decide what to focus on, what to pick for the white balance or exposure point, etc. It bascially looks at what you are pointing at and makes an educated guess. Now, with phones, it is important how well it does the 'dash and flash' pics where you don't have the time to worry about it, but that's not always a good way to compare phones.
So when I see the comparison pictures with comments like "it overexposed the clouds" I wonder.. .Did it honestly blow out the clouds? Or did it just pick a dark portion of the frame and you didn't go back in to double check it.
I've seen some articles with DSLRs where they try to make as many things equal as possible.... which isn't exactly feasible with a phone (not all come with full manual controls yet).
Another thing I've noticed, and is also rarely mentioned... there is a lot of variability in the pictures even on the exact same phone. You can take the same shot several times and you can get different results each time. You rely on the little electronic brain to decide what to focus on, what to pick for the white balance or exposure point, etc. It bascially looks at what you are pointing at and makes an educated guess. Now, with phones, it is important how well it does the 'dash and flash' pics where you don't have the time to worry about it, but that's not always a good way to compare phones.
So when I see the comparison pictures with comments like "it overexposed the clouds" I wonder.. .Did it honestly blow out the clouds? Or did it just pick a dark portion of the frame and you didn't go back in to double check it.
I've seen some articles with DSLRs where they try to make as many things equal as possible.... which isn't exactly feasible with a phone (not all come with full manual controls yet).
So, I checked up on this and what I found is numerous tech sites are misleadingly implying SuperSafTV's statements and comparisons are from DxO.
He's not affiliated with DxO. Man, tech journalism in general is just regurgitated garbage.
Anyways, the video I linked a few posts above is from SuperSaf. He's my go to guy for camera comparisons. Unbiased and you can interpret the results for yourselves.
Based on his prior comparisons, S6 > 6S > Z5.
Insp_Gadget
Inspector Gadget
Looks like the iPhone 6S was just ranked at 10th place for its camera.
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Apple-iPhone-6s-review-Solid-and-compelling-performance
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Apple-iPhone-6s-review-Solid-and-compelling-performance
Did they do the plus? I believe that the cameras are different.
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Insp_Gadget
Inspector Gadget
Not yet, but it's coming. My understanding is that they are working on that review now.
At tenth place: lower than previously iPhone 6? What?
1 - 7 occupied by Android phones! Hmm not bad an achievement for us to be proud of hehehe
1 - 7 occupied by Android phones! Hmm not bad an achievement for us to be proud of hehehe
I am so happy. Finally a nexus device with better screen and camera than iphone 6s
Hah! I didn't notice that. Well, I said "OIS can reduce the jello effect", but not all OIS mechanisms are the same. If it responds too slowly, it won't prevent jelloing.
Well guys, the first reviews are out and it can't beat iPhone in daylight. A number of reviews report losing detail in clouds and over saturated sky in bright day light. A bit of a bummer.
DxOMark said it beats iPhone. Well... I was hoping it was true.
DxOMark said it beats iPhone. Well... I was hoping it was true.
Have you used the phone for yourself to make judgement base on your experience?
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Insp_Gadget
Inspector Gadget
A number of reviews? Meaning more than one? I think not. Other than ArsTechnica, what other reviews say that? I've read several (five) so far, and none of them (except ArsTechnica) say anything like that. The reviews have all been very positive so far. Even ArsTechnica says the camera is excellent. Let's keep things in perspective and not exaggerate. Your comment is from one review, citing one type of picture (in bright sunshine where the clouds were not the focal point). The rest of the image was actually beautiful. Also, from that same review, the rest of the Nexus images were either better or even with the iPhone.
Here's a review roundup from 9to5Google that summarizes several reviews from other sites (including Android Central). In just about every case, the reviews are positive: http://9to5google.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-review-roundup/
So, I'm going to reserve judgement until I have mine, and not take one reviewer's nit-pick as a condemnation of the phones or their cameras.
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When I said 'a number of reviews', it is a number of reviews. Not one. Perhaps it is you who haven't read enough reviews.
I was talking about losing detail in the cloud in bright daylight, which I indeed found in a number of reviews.
Insp_Gadget
Inspector Gadget
The pictures with blown out clouds were captured with HDR off. Ain't no phone gonna capture that kind of image properly without HDR.
mogelijk
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From what I'm seeing, the problem most reviewers have isn't with the camera itself but, rather, with the camera app. Google's camera app is very bare bones and doesn't allow for much manual adjustment. For Google, I think they have found that a basic camera app works the best, and then "professionals" will buy a camera app that gives them the functionality they want/need in a camera.
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