The phone WE want vs. the phone THEY tell us we want...

[ThrottleJohnny]

Just saw this thread. I love Android and love my S8+ but I'm pretty sure no one was asking for 18.5:9 ratio or a curved screen or oddly placed FPS. Samsung markets just as well if not better than Apple.

No, but everyone coming after them is doing they're version of the same thing so...

 

[Almeuit]

Don't think it's going anywhere. People like me overwhelmingly love the curve.

I don't think it is either to be honest. Samsung found that is their "stand out" thing so I just seem them improving on it.

 

[m3lover1]

For someone who doesn't like Samsung phones....you sure spend a lot of time in the Samsung threads.....

Isn't Aquila a mod in the forums? If he is then wouodnt he be around all forums? Or maybe I've mistaken and he's not a mod?

 

[jamezr]

Isn't Aquila a mod in the forums? If he is then wouodnt he be around all forums? Or maybe I've mistaken and he's not a mod?

No he is not a mod.

 

[m3lover1]

No he is not a mod.

Ahhh my bad!

 

[jamezr]

Ahhh my bad!

Oh no worries

 

[sydneycooper1979]

Mod note: please keep the thread civil and on topic. Thank you.

 

[m3lover1]

In terms of the edge display, Samsung is damned if the do (copying Apple), and damned if they don't (just make flat displays forever, just like everyone else).

They finally have their own design, that guess what? Isn't going to work for everyone (just like anything else).

Still, I applaud them for going all in on something that is uniquely theirs.

Let everyone else copy.

This I agree with. Someone several posts before you mentioned LG was able to make an infinity display that is flat without edges, so Samsung should too. Samsung could, but decided not to. Like Johnny said, they took the edge design and ran with it, and made it their own. Why be like everyone else and continue making flat displays forever and ever? Yes they could have made the plus an edge display, and the regular model flat. But I applaud them for sticking with their gut and design language, and made the bold move of choosing to make only edge displays for the s8. Alienate some potential buyers? Maybe. But that is also the beauty of android. Don't like the edge display, go buy the many other Android's that have flat displays.

 

[m3lover1]

Over the years I have swapped between Apple and Android for the simple reason that I use whatever device fits my needs at the time.

One thing I will say about Samsung is that they are usually first (or among the first) to innovate but that technology can be implemented in its infancy.

For instance, Iris scanning is pretty hit and miss for me and the Smart Lock is a royal pain in the posterior as it seems to lose the GPS lock on my home location, necessitating me 'pinging' the map to get it to lock on again. I'm not saying that I am representative of everyone with these comments, by the way, just that on my iPhone, things just work well all the time and on my Samsung I am tearing my hair out to find out what app or system process just used my text message notification to tell me something utterly irrelevant and usually unwanted.

Apple would only bring these things to market once they were usually 100% working perfectly but this would mean that it would be a year, two, three or more years after Samsung did, by which time the technology is old and people, myself included, are clamoring for new things.

IOS is a lot more robust because the apps don't have to compete with hundreds of different processor and screen combos like Android does. Also, the policed walled garden makes it harder (not impossible) for garbage to be thrown in.

This post seems like I am a typical Apple fanboy. No, I love my Samsung S8+ far more than my iPhone 7 plus. I prefer the size, the screen, the expandable memory, the drag-and-drop interface between PC, the lack of iTunes (god I hate iTunes), the fact that it has a headphone jack and many other things that my iPhone simply cannot do. I swapped back to my iPhone for a day or two to see if I was making a mistake in swapping over. In my hands now it just reminds me of a Fisher-Price child's toy. It's big and cumbersome and the screen feels dull and lifeless. I know this is far from the truth but compared to the S8+, those are my perceptions.

The two ecosystems are for different people though. iOS is for people that just want a phone that has email, internet, text etc etc and they don't have to worry about it. Android is for people who want the same things but want a granular control over their device.

Both ecosystems are needed to keep the other one in check to a degree and I find the 'fandroid' vs 'iSheep' argument to be stultifying boring. If internet warriors really do hate on someone else for their choice of smartphone then I feel they have far bigger problems in their own life to worry about...

Just FYI smart Lock is implemented by Google a while ago, not Samsung.

 

[erasat]

Just FYI smart Lock is implemented by Google a while ago, not Samsung.

And it has been giving problems with the location smart locks for some time now, it's not an S8 problem, it's failing basically in all phones, there was a report may week where it was said that Google is aware of the issue and it was already working on it.

 

[Laura Knotek]

And it has been giving problems with the location smart locks for some time now, it's not an S8 problem, it's failing basically in all phones, there was a report may week where it was said that Google is aware of the issue and it was already working on it.

That is correct. Smart Lock location isn't working for me either, and I don't have a Samsung device.

 

[Aquila]

Isn't Aquila a mod in the forums? If he is then wouodnt he be around all forums? Or maybe I've mistaken and he's not a mod?

Was until a couple months ago, retired because too busy in the real world.

 

[erasat]

That is correct. Smart Lock location isn't working for me either, and I don't have a Samsung device.

I use Smart lock location only for when I'm at home and it works BUT basically most days than not I need to go to the Smart lock Settings and just delete the Dropped Pin I already had working and then add a new one, most of the time it has beginning to work again after that.

I needed to do the above yesterday and today in a row, before that maybe 2 or 3 times last week also.

 

[m3lover1]

Was until a couple months ago, retired because too busy in the real world.

Ahhhhhhh I knew it! I'm not going crazy! Hahahhaha

 

[jcp007]

Both Android and Apple have their fanboys or blindly obedient sheep, depending on your pov. Which system and device one chooses should be based on needs and preferences. The companies do their best, in varying degrees to anticipate market trends and consumer preferences. They also take the competition in account.

Apple has a very well tuned but highly restricted ecosystem and their devices are uniquely integrated. My issue with Apple is that they dictate more or less the price and features in a take it or leave it. There is nothing wrong with that but they don't seem highly responsive to consumer. They make minor tweaks and pass them off as innovative. My impression is that they cater to those who like things packaged for them where not much is required of them. They just want to be entertained by a device that works well. Again, nothing wrong with that. I just don't like a company dictating to me what I need or should want. Therefore, I do what anyone should do and vote with my wallet.

 

[brau0303]

Well, we all want different things a deal breaker for me could be a must have for someone else.
Diversity at work..

Cheers,
BR

 

[anon(10092459)]

Both Android and Apple have their fanboys or blindly obedient sheep, depending on your pov. Which system and device one chooses should be based on needs and preferences. The companies do their best, in varying degrees to anticipate market trends and consumer preferences. They also take the competition in account.

Apple has a very well tuned but highly restricted ecosystem and their devices are uniquely integrated. My issue with Apple is that they dictate more or less the price and features in a take it or leave it. There is nothing wrong with that but they don't seem highly responsive to consumer. They make minor tweaks and pass them off as innovative. My impression is that they cater to those who like things packaged for them where not much is required of them. They just want to be entertained by a device that works well. Again, nothing wrong with that. I just don't like a company dictating to me what I need or should want. Therefore, I do what anyone should do and vote with my wallet.

Spot on.

 

[Aquila]

Well, we all want different things a deal breaker for me could be a must have for someone else.
Diversity at work..

Cheers,
BR

This ^^

 

[flyingkytez]

As I was driving to work this morning I began thinking about how much I like the S8+ and why I like it better than my iPhone, which I liked very much, and came to this conclusion: Samsung makes the phone WE the people want and Apple makes their phone and tells us we want it. Looking at the S8 makes it pretty clear to me that Samsung reads boards like this and sees the features we all like. Bigger screens, less bezels, wireless charging, removable storage, fast charging, good cameras, customization, etc. are all things we request en masse. Apple, on the other hand, simply goes about removing headphone jacks, keeping the SAME DESIGN FOR 3 YEARS, staying with 1080p LCD screens, metal phones with no way of wireless charging, and locked down home screens. Now I am not here to bash Apple, although you guys can have at it, but I do think Samsung knows more about how to appease people than Apple does. But Apple doesn't have to. Their initial 5 or so iPhones were exactly what people requested or even were so advanced that people didn't even know they wanted them, but since then they have kind of been coasting on their history. iOS itself is great for people who want simplified things that work well with other Apple products and I understand their need to keep it all walled in and for them it works. I just like how Samsung does things. Here's an example of Samsung's strategy vs. Apple's: Samsung Pay offers rewards for all kinds of things and Apple just tells you to use Apple Pay because Apple. Buy a few things using S Pay? Here's rewards! Add a card? Take some points! Refer a friend? Take $5. Use Apple Pay? Nothing. Now Samsung doesn't need to offer rewards to most of us to get us to use it because it's convenient, but they do it because they want their customers to know they matter. I am not saying Apple doesn't think we matter, but they think that people will just buy their stuff anyway, and they're mostly right. Keep it up Samsung, love the business model you guys seem to have going in mobile.

When I used to work at the mall, the most frequently asked question was "Which way is the Apple store?". I also have to mention that there is a Microsoft store in the mall as well and I never was asked where the Microsoft store was. That there already shows the type of people that uses Apple. No, they don't care if the headphone jack has been removed, nor do they care that the next iPhone 7s will be exactly the same, they will line up for the next iPhone and camp outside for it. Apple already has a strong grip on these people and it would be difficult to get them to switch regardless of the new tech that's available today unless they wake up and see that Apple isn't technologically advanced as current smartphone manufactures today. I used to always want an iPhone way back in the day, but it was only for the "wealthy" people who could afford the required activation fees for it. Then the Samsung
S1 and S2 came out with a beautiful AMOLED screen, a tech now 10 YEARS LATER will be included on the anniversary edition of the iPhone (again exclusive to certain people who can afford it) Fun fact: the Galaxy S1 had a home bottom but on the US version, they had to remove it due to Apple's whining about Samsung copying them.

 

[flyingkytez]

Both are making what they want us to want and both are making what they believe we want. And both are arriving at their results based on sound reasoning. Both spend millions per year on consumer research and are clued in to the opinions of people from all walks of life. Furthermore, they both have access to devices in the hands of hundreds of millions of people and can get an alarmingly accurate picture of how the devices are actually being used. The iPhone 7+ is exactly what it is because it is exactly what tens of millions of people want. Ditto on the S8+. And Google, with the Pixel XL, tried to bridge the two world's, similar to other approaches in the last, and was extremely successful at it. And that decision was also data driven with the idea that millions of people would want the build quality and smoothness of an iPhone and the display of a Samsung, etc. Ultimately all three companies are right. There is no one design that is going to satisfy all, or even most, of the people.

LG is pretty darn close. Kinda has everything I want, which are the basics: micro SD, fast performance, removable battery, excellent build quality, Hi-Fi audio jack, great camera. The features that gets removed we have no choice but to accept it. Removable battery and IR blaster gone, too bad that's how it is. Headphone jack gone, too bad, move on (ahem iPhone 7, Pixel 2, HTC). However, some people love it so much they're willing to lose the features.