The Verge implies Sprint/Verizon will NEVER get Nexus 4!

[dmmarck]

Any of you guys follow mobile panda? He hinted at maybe a nexus release for Verizon in Jan.

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Yes, there's also a thread about BMX's rumor (or at least largely discussing it) somewhere in here..

 

[John-Smith]

I suggest you try the $30 T-Mo Walmart plan for a month and test service in your area. If it isn't good you might want to go the route of Straight talk if you can maintain your data usage.




I suggest checking into Straight Talk, better price than the AT&T prepaid and use same towers. Just a suggestion.

Thanks for the suggestion, I was looking into that $30/month 100 talk, unlimited text/data plan. Since I mainly text it would be perfect. The straighttalk thing looks pretty ghetto though.

 

[trunks527]

Yes, there's also a thread about BMX's rumor (or at least largely discussing it) somewhere in here..

Would love to get the new nexus on Verizon. At&t and tmo are horrible up here. Plus gotta love lte

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[Woosh]

Thanks for the suggestion, I was looking into that $30/month 100 talk, unlimited text/data plan. Since I mainly text it would be perfect. The straighttalk thing looks pretty ghetto though.

Not sure what's ghetto about straight talk. I had it for about 8 months and it was near flawless for me.

The 100 minute plan is awesome if you can get away with it but straight talk offers better coverage because it runs on att towers instead of t mobile.

There are more options as well but those are mostly the best options for the price.

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[GatorGrad]

Thing is hard to maintain 2nd version of device just to satisfy 2 networks in US where the rest use GSM and it seems like they like to keep nexus 4 out of carriers dirty marketing hands. Sprint/Verizon always will have that problem as they choose less-popular (if not practically dead among carriers) mobile network standard, as long as they use it they will have problem to deliver you latest devices... yes, they the one who need to deliver you device by CDMA limitations. I know that for them at this point it's hard to switch to GSM... but still it's there problem, not manufactures that would need to please just 2 networks in US.

Two things, Apple is managing to handle the various standards pretty well with their iPhone. Yes, there are differences in how updates roll out to iOS (which is one uniform OS) vs Android (which is a fragmented OS) but the hardware argument makes no sense in light of Apple's success. Second, it's not the carriers' problem unless the manufacturers make it the carriers' problem and so far it seems like Google has decided to be the only manufacturer making that stand. Verizon and AT&T have, by FAR, the largest subscriber base in the US. While CDMA might be an antiquated system, for all intents and purposes it's America's system. If a manufacturer wants to get massive adoption of a device in the US then the device needs to work on CDMA. Bemoaning the oddity of CDMA standards isn't going to change anything and Google's odd stance just doesn't make sense. Almost all of Google's anti-LTE arguments lack any substance. If, in fact, Google believed half of what they claim are reasons not to include LTE then Apple is an exponentially better engineer than Google since the iPhone manages to overcome just about everything Google complains about. And before anyone starts, I've had an Android since the Original Droid. I love Android. Unfortunately I love LTE more. Google's argument would be like Time Warner coming out and saying that HD programming is too bandwidth intensive and so from now on they're only going to offer standard definition cable boxes.

 

[Woosh]

Two things, Apple is managing to handle the various standards pretty well with their iPhone. Yes, there are differences in how updates roll out to iOS (which is one uniform OS) vs Android (which is a fragmented OS) but the hardware argument makes no sense in light of Apple's success. Second, it's not the carriers' problem unless the manufacturers make it the carriers' problem and so far it seems like Google has decided to be the only manufacturer making that stand. Verizon and AT&T have, by FAR, the largest subscriber base in the US. While CDMA might be an antiquated system, for all intents and purposes it's America's system. If a manufacturer wants to get massive adoption of a device in the US then the device needs to work on CDMA. Bemoaning the oddity of CDMA standards isn't going to change anything and Google's odd stance just doesn't make sense. Almost all of Google's anti-LTE arguments lack any substance. If, in fact, Google believed half of what they claim are reasons not to include LTE then Apple is an exponentially better engineer than Google since the iPhone manages to overcome just about everything Google complains about. And before anyone starts, I've had an Android since the Original Droid. I love Android. Unfortunately I love LTE more. Google's argument would be like Time Warner coming out and saying that HD programming is too bandwidth intensive and so from now on they're only going to offer standard definition cable boxes.

So buy another phone. Att is a gsm carrier so more than half the us market can use the phone since a most every mvno is gsm based.

You have options and Google made its decision. My guess is they are going to sell at least as many of these phones as they did with the galaxy nexus and it'll cost them less in upkeep if only one version is out there.

I'm sure if Verizon or att called up Google and said you can have updates your way and we would love to carry this they would be more than happy to oblige. But I doubt that happened.

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[johnp888]

Two things, Apple is managing to handle the various standards pretty well with their iPhone. Yes, there are differences in how updates roll out to iOS (which is one uniform OS) vs Android (which is a fragmented OS) but the hardware argument makes no sense in light of Apple's success. Second, it's not the carriers' problem unless the manufacturers make it the carriers' problem and so far it seems like Google has decided to be the only manufacturer making that stand. Verizon and AT&T have, by FAR, the largest subscriber base in the US. While CDMA might be an antiquated system, for all intents and purposes it's America's system. If a manufacturer wants to get massive adoption of a device in the US then the device needs to work on CDMA. Bemoaning the oddity of CDMA standards isn't going to change anything and Google's odd stance just doesn't make sense. Almost all of Google's anti-LTE arguments lack any substance. If, in fact, Google believed half of what they claim are reasons not to include LTE then Apple is an exponentially better engineer than Google since the iPhone manages to overcome just about everything Google complains about. And before anyone starts, I've had an Android since the Original Droid. I love Android. Unfortunately I love LTE more. Google's argument would be like Time Warner coming out and saying that HD programming is too bandwidth intensive and so from now on they're only going to offer standard definition cable boxes.

Ummm... Google does not make devices. Plus they don't sell a crap ton of nexus devices to make spending their own dime on paying off Verizon etc for total control over sw updates feasible. Apple is different, they make the carriers so much money they can do whatever they want. If time warner had to pay a bunch of money to the FCC or the channels to broadcast HD instead of SD they would complain too. Bad analogy sorry. Anyway not capitulating to Verizon and ATT on sw updates and carrier bloatware means no lte. Coupled with the fact that Europe is just rolling out lte means there is no global standard for lte. Google is an ad company first.

 

[GatorGrad]

Ummm... Google does not make devices. Plus they don't sell a crap ton of nexus devices to make spending their own dime on paying off Verizon etc for total control over sw updates feasible. Apple is different, they make the carriers so much money they can do whatever they want. If time warner had to pay a bunch of money to the FCC or the channels to broadcast HD instead of SD they would complain too. Bad analogy sorry. Anyway not capitulating to Verizon and ATT on sw updates and carrier bloatware means no lte. Coupled with the fact that Europe is just rolling out lte means there is no global standard for lte. Google is an ad company first.

Not talking about Google's ad strategy. This discussion has centered on the Nexus 4 and Google's reasons (which a Google exec discussed) for not including LTE. Just because Google makes the majority of their profits from advertising doesn't mean that users can't be disappointed when Google decides to release a phone that's a rather large step backwards. People can claim that Google is just ads and that they're not hardware all they want but when it comes to the Nexus line Googlel gets the final say. In that regard they ARE one of the manufacturers.

Finally, Google is a for-profit firm. If they want to make money then they need to try and design devices that will make so much money that Google can then do what they want. Work with the carriers for a couple of years and create phones that are so in demand that the next iteration of the Nexus will allow Google to make demands of the carriers (like Apple). Just giving up doesn't seem like a good strategy.

 

[nbieter]

Verizon and AT&T have, by FAR, the largest subscriber base in the US. While CDMA might be an antiquated system, for all intents and purposes it's America's system. If a manufacturer wants to get massive adoption of a device in the US then the device needs to work on CDMA. Bemoaning the oddity of CDMA standards isn't going to change anything and Google's odd stance just doesn't make sense. Almost all of Google's anti-LTE arguments lack any substance. If, in fact, Google believed half of what they claim are reasons not to include LTE then Apple is an exponentially better engineer than Google since the iPhone manages to overcome just about everything Google complains about. And before anyone starts, I've had an Android since the Original Droid. I love Android. Unfortunately I love LTE more. Google's argument would be like Time Warner coming out and saying that HD programming is too bandwidth intensive and so from now on they're only going to offer standard definition cable boxes.

No it would be like Fox having its HD programming (android updates) delayed because each cable provider had their own different standard of LTE. Google is able to make a principled stand with the nexus devices and draw a line in the sand about where they want the future to be (ie a future where carrier data is standardized and those who make the phones have control over the software). The great news is, if you need LTE the GS3 is right there or a bazillion other android phones with LTE. Android is all about choice. Nexus is all about the future.

 

[Shadowriver]

Two things, Apple is managing to handle the various standards pretty well with their iPhone. Yes, there are differences in how updates roll out to iOS (which is one uniform OS) vs Android (which is a fragmented OS) but the hardware argument makes no sense in light of Apple's success. Second, it's not the carriers' problem unless the manufacturers make it the carriers' problem and so far it seems like Google has decided to be the only manufacturer making that stand. Verizon and AT&T have, by FAR, the largest subscriber base in the US. While CDMA might be an antiquated system, for all intents and purposes it's America's system. If a manufacturer wants to get massive adoption of a device in the US then the device needs to work on CDMA. Bemoaning the oddity of CDMA standards isn't going to change anything and Google's odd stance just doesn't make sense. Almost all of Google's anti-LTE arguments lack any substance. If, in fact, Google believed half of what they claim are reasons not to include LTE then Apple is an exponentially better engineer than Google since the iPhone manages to overcome just about everything Google complains about. And before anyone starts, I've had an Android since the Original Droid. I love Android. Unfortunately I love LTE more. Google's argument would be like Time Warner coming out and saying that HD programming is too bandwidth intensive and so from now on they're only going to offer standard definition cable boxes.

It is carrier problem if you look at it or not, they the one that troubles manufacture in first place to make different hardware just for them, thats why they always get delays. If Google decided to be fully unlocked with Nexus 4 i don't see how they can involve locked-by-standard CDMA in to this.

At the end it's all business and it seems Google simply able to afford to not support CDMA carriers on Nexus 4 (ofcorse if this is all true), iPhone was able to do that too for few years and be one of the top... if Verizon and Sprint was not CDMA in first place there would not be such problem

 

[Ry]

Not talking about Google's ad strategy. This discussion has centered on the Nexus 4 and Google's reasons (which a Google exec discussed) for not including LTE. Just because Google makes the majority of their profits from advertising doesn't mean that users can't be disappointed when Google decides to release a phone that's a rather large step backwards. People can claim that Google is just ads and that they're not hardware all they want but when it comes to the Nexus line Googlel gets the final say. In that regard they ARE one of the manufacturers.

Finally, Google is a for-profit firm. If they want to make money then they need to try and design devices that will make so much money that Google can then do what they want. Work with the carriers for a couple of years and create phones that are so in demand that the next iteration of the Nexus will allow Google to make demands of the carriers (like Apple). Just giving up doesn't seem like a good strategy.

Google trying to turn carriers into dumb pipes is a step forward, regardless if a Nexus has LTE or not.

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[Mellimel22]

Well my contract with sprint is up in 3 days.. Looks like I'm leaving because I REALLLY want this phone. And I did the math and buying this phone and switching to T-mobile will make me save $300/year as opposed to be buying the GS3 by extending my Sprint contract.

I just hope T-mobile has good service?

Well hope against hope bro because where I'm at (west side of Chicago) tmo building penetrating sucks as. My sprint 3g might be between 700kb and 1.5 mb but at least I can use it INSIDE my house even in my basement. The same couldn't be said about tmo and att. I'll never go gsm again

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[6tr6tr]

Well hope against hope bro because where I'm at (west side of Chicago) tmo building penetrating sucks as. My sprint 3g might be between 700kb and 1.5 mb but at least I can use it INSIDE my house even in my basement. The same couldn't be said about tmo and att. I'll never go gsm again

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The problem's not GSM vs CDMA. Spectrum is what matters most about penetrating objects. And T-Mobile is getting better now that they purchased some lower-band spectrum from AT&T

 

[svfd757]

If the Nexus line is not released on Verizon I will switch to the iPhone in a heartbeat. I can prove a point too google.

 

[yfan]

I get the crowd that's excited about Google saying enough with CDMA 4G but from a business standpoint, they're basically cutting off their nose to spite their face. AT&T and Verizon are the largest subscriber bases out there and both have the iPhone with LTE. How many customers do you reallly think are going to say, sure I'll take a terrible data connection just to have access to this phone. Not many. Yeah, Google gets to stand on their high horse and proclaim that they didn't give in but that doesn't count for much (if anything) when a company is trying to gaine market share. I have Verizon and I have a Galaxy Nexus. I HATE all the brand-specific skins for Android and love the Nexus. Am I willing to downgrade to 3G? Heck no. If there are no other options when my contract is up I'll get an iPhone instead. How're those principles helping out Google now?

This idea that anything other than LTE is "terrible data connection" is simply not accurate. T-mobile's HSPA+ 42 network competes closely with, and often beats, Verizon's LTE, and certainly AT&T's. Second, the Nexus 4 will work just fine on AT&T's HSPA+ network as well, which itself gives pretty good speed.

Speaking of Verizon and AT&T, both limit data consumption. In those circumstances, all LTE is good for is eating through your data fast and draining your battery. I would think that the typical AT&T and Verizon customer spends a lot of time on wifi, trying to avoid data overages. On wifi, what phone you are using is largely irrelevant.

By the way, customers are not all the way you think they are. The usage of prepaid service is growing, and bringing your own phone rather than getting a carrier subsidized phone is no longer a rarity. Given that fact, the ubiquity of wifi, and the Nexus 4's compatibility with HSPA+ 42 networks, I would say it will do just fine without LTE. For the price tag, the Nexus 4 packs a huge amount of hardware and software features, and it is quite possibly the best value ever at just $300 for the 8GB model and $350 for the 16GB model with no contracts.

 

[yfan]

If the Nexus line is not released on Verizon I will switch to the iPhone in a heartbeat. I can prove a point too google.

Really? You would go to the iPhone just to prove a point to Google? Why, because not enough Android devices are available with LTE antennas in them? Look, if you want to go to the iPhone, no one can stop you. But there's no point to prove. Nexus devices are Google experience devices, and they have done the best experience they can at the absolute best price point. If you think it's worth paying $700-$800 to get an iPhone 5 off contract, or to get yourself stuck in a contract AND pay $200 or $300 for an iPhone 5, you *are* proving a point, but it's not to Google.

 

[Woosh]

If the Nexus line is not released on Verizon I will switch to the iPhone in a heartbeat. I can prove a point too google.

Google already knows your point but can't do anything about it. If you were smart you would walk away from Verizon to prove your point to them.

 

[pokingmon]

What confuses me about all this, is how those CMDA carriers treat iPhone updates. Do they have to test and approve of the new iOS versions before they can be pushed out? If that's the case, then Apple must send the updates to carriers WAAAAAAAAAAAAY in advance to make sure they can push it out on the exact dates they want to.

I think Google could possibly convince carriers to leave the bloatware and customizations out of the Nexus phones, but I don't think they could convince them to ease off of testing. They just need to have a serious sit-down and explain what the appeal of having a "pure" device is, and how it would be a mutual benefit if they lightened up a little bit. They should draft a compromise plan and submit it to them during the conferences and just be like hey, we can solve this and please everyone.

 

[jm9843]

Google delivers the latest stock version of the greatest mobile operating system on the planet, on a phone with the current highest-end hardware, makes it unlockable out of the box without jumping through hoops, completely cuts out all carrier influence, and sells it all at near-cost direct to consumers.

Nexus 4 is pretty much the greatest thing to ever happen to smartphones. If you're somehow ignorant to that fact, you probably deserve whatever Apple/AT&T/Verizon are selling.

 

[bkorver]

Thanks for the suggestion, I was looking into that $30/month 100 talk, unlimited text/data plan. Since I mainly text it would be perfect. The straighttalk thing looks pretty ghetto though.

Ghetto? Really? I am running an International HOX on ST that I would put up against anything on Verizon or Sprint, and the only difference between my service and anyone on AT&T is I am paying less. Smart is the word I would use, not Ghetto.