The Verge implies Sprint/Verizon will NEVER get Nexus 4!

[svfd757]

I have a hard time responding to this without a personal attack because its probably one the the dumbest things I've read.

Almost every review so far are glowing besides one small feature that most the world cannot use.

Sucks that you spend your entire time running speed tests to measure how good your phone is. Go enjoy your iPhone.

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I could give 2 s about the rest of the world. I have kways had android devices and love them. But for Google to take a dump on the United States carriers like they are is a mistake. Sorry to offend an android sheep

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[Woosh]

I could give 2 s about the rest of the world. I have kways had android devices and love them. But for Google to take a dump on the United States carriers like they are is a mistake. Sorry to offend an android sheep

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Sorry but you are clearly the sheep when you are ONLY talking about your own personal preference and don't care about anybody other than your own personal needs. Enjoy whatever phone you have, Google did it right on the money with this one and I'll enjoy every minute of it.

 

[bit_bucket]

I have to confess I have been a huge Apple fanboi. I have owned every iPhone and iPad that they have made with the exception of the Mini and the 4. With the Mini and the 4 I did a lot of research and opened my eyes to the fact that they are slipping and overcharging for marginal old tech. I have really done the math and research on this. I had a decision to get the iPhone 5 or the next Nexus. LTE for me never played into this. Being on AT&T I don't have LTE where I am at anyways. I am breaking out of the Apple walled garden. It started with the Nexus 7 and I am going with the Nexus 4 as my phone. I don't feel like it lacks a single thing that I want and Google does a fantastic job supporting the Nexus line. I dare say better than Apple does with iOS. I think Google made the right choice. There is just too many variables with LTE right now. For them to support it in the US they would then have to support CDMA because it falls back to this on VZW. This means that the FCC rules don't apply making VZW allow open access and Google would have to play by their rules. In a year or so I can see Google commissioning a new Nexus phone with HSDPA+ and common LTE bands. At that point they could only need a few SKU's and would not have to support CDMA.

Maybe my opinions change once I use LTE, but doggone you can't find a better phone unlocked and off contract than the new LG nexus 4, for this price. It's the function, cleanliness an overall polish and support from Google on the Nexus line that converted me. Since ICS i have seen great strides taken by Google and Jelly Bean is even better. I see great things coming out of the current Android team.

 

[Semantics]

I don't see this as Google drawing some line in the sand for carriers to get their stuff together. Not having a CDMA variant in the USA will insure that the phone just isn't that popular. Nexus phone devices just don't sell well enough for Google to make some type of standoff. Carriers will not lose sleep not having the Nexus 4. The SGS 3 passed 30 million handsets recently, when Google can push more than a couple hundred thousand handsets, carriers might give a damn about their line in the sand.

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[FishPharm]

I'm on the fence about Google making a mistake or not with this phone. For me, there's really nothing about it that is making me want to dump Verizon and my unlimited plan. The biggest mistake I think Google is making is continually partnering with one manufacture a year to produce a phone that is capable of accepting updates in a timely manner. Why must we have one phone and one choice for a phone that gets timely updates? I'm in no way an engineer with this stuff but I don't understand why Google can't make it so their new operating system goes out on every phone. So basically make every phone a nexus phone. Can they not force the carriers and manufacturers to make the core Android operating system available to work first and then, if the carriers want to add their own version, make it in a way that if the customer wants to update then the next version will replace the old? It would make so much more sense to force the carriers to offer all their phones with stock Android and if the customer wants to purchase a deluxe "carrier or manufacturer" version of Android then they can. I would think they would be able to force this by requiring the carriers and manufacturers to sign agreements if they want future Android phones. And since Android sells so well they would be foolish not to sign.

 

[yfan]

I would be surprised if the LG Nexus 4 never saw an LTE device. I'm more surprised that Google didn't
release it with an LTE radio. Even if they had to have three or four different models and just have people
choose their carrier in the Google Play Store as part of the buying process. I'm dumbfounded. I'm talking
strictly GSM here. But, even if they had models with CDMA radios for CDMA carriers, it wouldn't be so
bad either.

That's just it. Google tried releasing carrier variants of Nexus phones before, and it didn't go very well, in the long run only damaging the brand. They learned from that experience and made just one, unlocked, carrier-independent version. There are two advantages to it: first, as an experience device, it will be uniform across users. Second, I think Google has a strategic game here in giving consumers a choice to wean themselves off carrier-dependent phones if they so choose. It may not work for everybody, but with prepaid plans on the rise, the Nexus 4 is very well positioned to aide that movement.

Crazy how most of us on this Site criticize apple fan Boyd for defending their products tooth and nail. Yet you guys defend the lamest Nexus device ever. At least apple released their prime product with 4g. Google messed up big time and anyone who defends this phone is an android Shep

First of all, it's *sheep*, not *shep.* I mean since we were getting petty, let's do, right?

No, look, I'm sorry. But the fact of the matter is that the absence of LTE - even in the US - especially when HSPA+ 42 support is present hardly makes the phone "lame." But given that 'lame' is a subjective, rather than objective, judgment, to each his or her own. The Nexus 4, outside of LTE, has top-of-the-line specs for a mid-range price or lower. That IS an objective characterization. But look, man, it's a phone. There's no reason to go apoplectic over it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you want an LTE phone, go get one. But please quit telling everyone that we must unanimously accept your preferences.

 

[Semantics]

I'm on the fence about Google making a mistake or not with this phone. For me, there's really nothing about it that is making me want to dump Verizon and my unlimited plan. The biggest mistake I think Google is making is continually partnering with one manufacture a year to produce a phone that is capable of accepting updates in a timely manner. Why must we have one phone and one choice for a phone that gets timely updates? I'm in no way an engineer with this stuff but I don't understand why Google can't make it so their new operating system goes out on every phone. So basically make every phone a nexus phone. Can they not force the carriers and manufacturers to make the core Android operating system available to work first and then, if the carriers want to add their own version, make it in a way that if the customer wants to update then the next version will replace the old? It would make so much more sense to force the carriers to offer all their phones with stock Android and if the customer wants to purchase a deluxe "carrier or manufacturer" version of Android then they can. I would think they would be able to force this by requiring the carriers and manufacturers to sign agreements if they want future Android phones. And since Android sells so well they would be foolish not to sign.

I get what you are saying, and you are describing iOS. The beauty of Android is its open source, and companies can skin it, or theme it as they see fit. I doubt you will see Google force AOSP on any phone manufacturer.

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[obi5683]

LTE and HSPA are 3GPP standards. HSPA 42 is faster than LTE (there is a post in the forums comparing LTE speeds to T-Mobile HSPA 42 speeds). T-Mobile has spotty coverage, so it may not be the best option for most. Verizon delays updates for testing, so it is not getting updates as soon as Google makes them. I will never own a phone on Verizon again unless they start letting you bring your own device and offer unlimited data on a month-to-month plan that does not cost an arm and a leg.

 

[Ry]

I don't see this as Google drawing some line in the sand for carriers to get their stuff together. Not having a CDMA variant in the USA will insure that the phone just isn't that popular. Nexus phone devices just don't sell well enough for Google to make some type of standoff. Carriers will not lose sleep not having the Nexus 4. The SGS 3 passed 30 million handsets recently, when Google can push more than a couple hundred thousand handsets, carriers might give a damn about their line in the sand.

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The beauty of Android.

 

[FishPharm]

I get what you are saying, and you are describing iOS. The beauty of Android is its open source, and companies can skin it, or theme it as they see fit. I doubt you will see Google force AOSP on any phone manufacturer.

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I was just curious if it was possible to force stock Android on the manufacturer (like all phones having an initial stock set up) but still allow the option to skin and customize and to give the customer a choice to add that skin or not. So, yes...kinda llike iOS but not totally.....and its still the beauty of Android!

 

[Jaycemiskel]

I was just curious if it was possible to force stock Android on the manufacturer (like all phones having an initial stock set up) but still allow the option to skin and customize and to give the customer a choice to add that skin or not. So, yes...kinda llike iOS but not totally.....and its still the beauty of Android!

It's definitely possible. It's just not Google's strategy.

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[Ry]

I was just curious if it was possible to force stock Android on the manufacturer (like all phones having an initial stock set up) but still allow the option to skin and customize and to give the customer a choice to add that skin or not. So, yes...kinda llike iOS but not totally.....and its still the beauty of Android!

Once you use a term like "force" in regards to forcing stock Android, the beauty of Android goes away.

 

[FishPharm]

Once you use a term like "force" in regards to forcing stock Android, the beauty of Android goes away.

Why? The manufacturers would still have the freedom to skin and add features....I'm not saying take that away. I'm saying that they need to force the ability for people to have the freedom to use stock Android and to get the timely updates. Basically, using force to give us more freedom with our phones. I don't see how that is a bad thing. The beauty kinda goes away with me when you only have one phone available with pure Android and direct/timely updates. I personally don't care if the carriers or manufacturers feel like its forced on them or not. I would just like to see every Android phone be able to be updated instead of being at the mercy of the carriers....to me this isn't the beauty of Android. It's just sad there is only one phone that gets timely updates and all the rest are at the mercy of the carriers. I just don't see why Google doesn't try to fix this somehow. I guess they don't care that some people still have versions older than ICS.

 

[Ry]

Why? The manufacturers would still have the freedom to skin and add features....I'm not saying take that away. I'm saying that they need to force the ability for people to have the freedom to use stock Android and to get the timely updates. Basically, using force to give us more freedom with our phones. I don't see how that is a bad thing. The beauty kinda goes away with me when you only have one phone available with pure Android and direct/timely updates. I personally don't care if the carriers or manufacturers feel like its forced on them or not. I would just like to see every Android phone be able to be updated instead of being at the mercy of the carriers....to me this isn't the beauty of Android. It's just sad there is only one phone that gets timely updates and all the rest are at the mercy of the carriers. I just don't see why Google doesn't try to fix this somehow. I guess they don't care that some people still have versions older than ICS.

Still.

Because of Android's open-source nature, updates are up to the OEM.

I'm not saying what you're proposing is a bad thing. I'm simply saying that it kind of goes against the open-source nature of Android.

Google probably doesn't care as much because as long as these devices are out there running Google's services, Google is already getting what they want out of Android.

 

[The Hustleman]

It only has HSPA+ 21, which is half the speed of the modern HSPA+ 41. From what I've read, HSPA+ 21 sees about 2mbps in most places. There are areas where you can get lucky and get more than that but it's not LTE.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-Nexus-4-to-roll-with-HSPA42-twice-as-fast-as-expected_id36129



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