I just called my local best buy and the mobile manager said they are now showing a official realease date of the 21st in both of their systems. I don't know what that means, maybe someone who works at best buy can fill in the blanks but he said its the first date they have had in a long time now so he thinks it may actually happen this time. He said before it just said coming soon but now they have a date and he said Verizon confirmed it. I called Verizon and they said they show nothing so who knows. But I have been in contact with the guy at best buy for awhile now and he said he actually thinks the 21st will be it this time.