Things the Android phone or Nexus 5 does better than the iPhone

[Cant Miss]

One BIG thing. It was not Android users complaining about this...it was Apple's own users. This is something that should never ever have happened. Apple, of all companies, should have tested more thoroughly. Should not have released it prematurely. This is a glowing example of how the "it just works" mantra is clearly BS.


Google is not charging you a premium though, or making grandiose "it just works" claims either. Apple was doing that.

To be fair, the press made more noise about it than Apple customers. You know... "oh how the mighty have fallen" remarks to drive hits. I won't go so far as to say that there weren't users with real issues, just that much of it was overblown.

 

[JeffDenver]

To be fair, the press made more noise about it than Apple customers.

I disagree. I know several iPhone users who complained loudly. Even sites normally biased in Apple's favor complained about it.

You know... "oh how the mighty have fallen" remarks to drive hits. I won't go so far as to say that there weren't users with real issues, just that much of it was overblown.

So the Apple criticisms are overblown, but not the Apple praises. Ok.

 

[jairusz]

86GB? how,s that? If the N5 just comes in a 16GB/32GB versions.

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Expandable storage. Something that isn't offered on the iPhone AFAIK.

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[Shilohcane]

Apple doesn't allow tethering app for phones like Google Play does. Many Android phones including the Nexus 5 has build in tethering support. Apple's proprietary closed prison environment let Apple to charge extra $$ for a cell option in their tablets.

 

[Cant Miss]

Except that Miracast is NOT Google's product at all. It is created, maintained an promoted by the Wi-Fi Alliance. Apple is a member of Wi-Fi Alliance, as is Google, along with more than 100 other companies.


As much as you'd like to dismiss Apple's flaws as "one thing" or "business model," they are still flaws. As I said, just because something is unfinished by design doesn't make it automatically finished. But we aren't, of course, talking just about maps. I have quoted a study before in this very thread that found iOS 7 caused trouble for 90% of pre-existing apps. Even iMore made a case for not updating to iOS 7 immediately.

Then there's Apple's anti-interoperability "business model". It certainly IS their business model, but it is a serious flaw when it comes to consumers who don't want to get tied to a single ecosystem, and we'll point that out even if you don't like it.

But miracast is what they decided to implement, and show in television commercials as working.

And kit kat just borked Bluetooth (again) on all of my Nexus devices. It happens with major updates. But 90% is some conclusion. I know many iOS users who saw nothing like that.

As for the difference in ecosystems, it is non-sequiter to my original comments. They are are what they are, and there is no secret about this. For the record, I moved to Android over a year ago. But it is far from perfect, as is iOS. There are just as many things on Android that drive me nuts as there were on iOS. Things like no integrated backup solution is a glaring omission I simply do not understand.

Again, I condemn neither platform. There is obviously a big space for both of them to exist in. I don't understand the adversarial responses when one brings up the fact that neither is perfect. Apple invented the metaphor of the current smart phone, and crushed unilateral control by carriers over the hardware. Google has picked up that ball in a big way and I am impressed with recent developments, especially given it is a side note to their core business.

 

[Cant Miss]

I disagree. I know several iPhone users who complained loudly. Even sites normally biased in Apple's favor complained about it.


So the Apple criticisms are overblown, but not the Apple praises. Ok.

I don't recall putting words in your mouth. I would appreciate the same level of respect.

 

[JeffDenver]

I don't recall putting words in your mouth. I would appreciate the same level of respect.

So you are saying Apple's praises are overblown as well?

If not, then I don't see how I put words in your mouth. What I said would technically be correct.

 

[yfan]

As for the difference in ecosystems, it is non-sequiter to my original comments.

I don't know about your original comments, but you were the one that tried to justify Apple's flaws by claiming they are "by design" or that it's a "business model." I merely said that flaws in the design or the business model are still flaws.

But it is far from perfect, as is iOS. There are just as many things on Android that drive me nuts as there were on iOS.

You have come a long way from "Apple doesn't use their customers as guinea pigs but Google always does" type of categorical statements, and I congratulate you on that. I have no qualms with your above statement.

Again, I condemn neither platform. There is obviously a big space for both of them to exist in. I don't understand the adversarial responses when one brings up the fact that neither is perfect.

The adversarial response wasn't to one bringing up the fact that neither is perfect. The adversarial response was to one trying to throw out a blanket claim that Apple products are polished/perfect/"just work" and Google products aren't/don't.

 

[Shilohcane]

I'm glad you mentioned airplay. Google's implementation of this is miracast, which simply does not work worth a damn (unfinished or not).

Oh... And let's not forget the orb.

It's laughable you guys scream "maps" (one thing) or pick on Apple's business model (closed ecosystem) to support an argument about whose products are less polished at rollout. Google has a rich history here that I doubt many companies can compete with.

LOL another swing and a miss. First Miracast is a industry open environment that Google & Microsoft supports. Microsoft also added support for Miracast in Windows 8.1 (announced this in June 2013). Apple hates anything that can't keep their customers locked in their closed proprietary prison to force them into buying only Apple products. The Nexus 4, 5 and 2013 version of the Nexus 7 works with Miracast. Many more Android devices also supports Miracast.

Miracast via Nexus 5 on PTV3000

Here is other LG Optimus Android phone and Microsoft windows laptop working with Miracast.

 

[Cant Miss]

I don't know about your original comments, but you were the one that tried to justify Apple's flaws by claiming they are "by design" or that it's a "business model." I merely said that flaws in the design or the business model are still flaws.


You have come a long way from "Apple doesn't use their customers as guinea pigs but Google always does" type of categorical statements, and I congratulate you on that. I have no qualms with your above statement.


The adversarial response wasn't to one bringing up the fact that neither is perfect. The adversarial response was to one trying to throw out a blanket claim that Apple products are polished/perfect/"just work" and Google products aren't/don't.

You don't know about my original comments, yet you chose to paraphrase them in quotes. I stand by my assessment that Google offerings are released much more as a work in progress than Apple's. No where did I use the words 'perfect' or 'flaws' or lack thereof.

Instead, I pointed out that Apple's heftier margins, and the infrastructure they help create provides additional value to consumers who choose to avail themselves of it. I don't know how many of you interact with the 'average' smart phone user, but many of them actually prefer the simple, walled garden.

 

[yfan]

You don't know about my original comments, yet you chose to paraphrase them in quotes.

No, I chose to paraphrase what I did read of you.

I stand by my assessment that Google offerings are released much more as a work in progress than Apple's.

I disagree with that assessment, and that's what we're having the debate about. I'm glad though that you agree that this isn't about anyone coming after you because you said that both are flawed. This is about your claim of Apple's superiority in this respect over Google's

I don't know how many of you interact with the 'average' smart phone user, but many of them actually prefer the simple, walled garden.

Unless there is a study establishing the people you interact with as representative of 'average' or typical, you have no grounds to say that. By the way, the market is already speaking. In 3Q2013, Android shipments rose to over 80% of all smartphones globally, while Apple's share fell to less than 13%. So as far as what people prefer, the numbers are on my side (you can come up with a million reasons why, but they still are), not yours.

 

[Cant Miss]

No, I chose to paraphrase what I did read of you.


I disagree with that assessment, and that's what we're having the debate about. I'm glad though that you agree that this isn't about anyone coming after you because you said that both are flawed. This is about your claim of Apple's superiority in this respect over Google's


Unless there is a study establishing the people you interact with as representative of 'average' or typical, you have no grounds to say that. By the way, the market is already speaking. In 3Q2012, Android shipments rose to over 80% of all smartphones globally, while Apple's share fell to less than 13%. So as far as what people prefer, the numbers are on my side (you can come up with a million reasons why, but they still are), not yours.

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of those numbers are made up of cheap devices in emerging markets.

 

[Shilohcane]

Instead, I pointed out that Apple's heftier margins, and the infrastructure they help create provides additional value to consumers who choose to avail themselves of it. I don't know how many of you interact with the 'average' smart phone user, but many of them actually prefer the simple, walled garden.

True about "Apple's heftier margins" that is what I call "overpriced ripoffs for technologically deficient customers". Apple's marketing is based on elitism and selling devices as bling to show off and impress people like they own a yacht.

You pretend that Apple has the "average' smart phone user" yet Apple Insider explanes away there major loss of market share by calling Android 81% market share "Junk Phones". As Apple keeps losing market share to Android then Apple can always keep raising their prices to keep up their profit margins with their loyal customers that like closed proprietary ecosystems. Funny that Apple Insider calls working phones the term "Junk" when you are pretending Apple speaks for the "average' smart phone user".

IDC data shows 66% of Android's 81% smartphone share are junk phones selling for $215

 

[mrsmumbles]

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of those numbers are made up of cheap devices in emerging markets.

Heaven forfend! People with less money having access to affordable mini computers? Say it ain't so!

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[yfan]

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of those numbers are made up of cheap devices in emerging markets.

Like I said, you can come up with a million excuses why. Like I can say Apple traps its users, and if it didn't do that, it wouldn't even be a serious contender. But if people in emerging markets are where the market is right now, yes, they are the typical user, not privileged first world people with first world problems (I say that as a privileged first worlder), although Android has been outstripping iPhones for a while now even in the first world - in north America and western Europe. That is to say nothing of the fact that top selling Android phones are actually flagships, and now more than 50% of Android devices run Jelly Bean or above.

It doesn't matter. You can't use qualifiers to statistics that go against you and discount qualifiers when they go for you.

 

[Shilohcane]

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of those numbers are made up of cheap devices in emerging markets.

It is pretty simple how Apple is making all the money with a much lower market share is they are charging more even for the same Apps and Music you download from their iTunes. Once Apple has you locked up in their closed proprietary prison environment they can really over charge you for everything including Apps. I broke out of Apple's prison system and I hope Apple keeps raising their prices to make up for their massive loss in market share to keep making all that extra Profit off their loyal customers that love over paying for even the same App.

Android Dominates Market Share, But Apple Makes All The Money

"The volume of apps available in the Google Play app store has caught up to Apple, and Android is winning in app downloads as well. Google reportedly comprises 75 percent of all app downloads, compared to only 18 percent for Apple. Yet, Apple made half of all app revenue in the most recent quarter, demonstrating once again that volume and market share don’t translate directly to income."

"Android dominates in market share. Android dominates in app downloads. At the end of the day, though, somehow Apple’s iOS is making all of the money."

 

[yfan]

True about "Apple's heftier margins" that is what I call "overpriced ripoffs for technologically deficient customers". Apple's marketing is based on elitism and selling devices as bling to show off and impress people like they own a yacht.

You pretend that Apple has the "average' smart phone user" yet Apple Insider explanes away there major loss of market share by calling Android 81% market share "Junk Phones". As Apple keeps losing market share to Android then Apple can always keep raising their prices to keep up their profit margins with their loyal customers that like closed proprietary ecosystems. Funny that Apple Insider calls working phones the term "Junk" when you are pretending Apple speaks for the "average' smart phone user".

IDC data shows 66% of Android's 81% smartphone share are junk phones selling for $215

Not only that, the iFanboys at Apple Insider also live in a fantasy-land when it comes to iPhone sale prices and revenue. They would like to take away the phablets when computing the ASP of Android phones, but pretty please, don't you dare count the outrageously overpriced 32 and 64 gig models of the iPhones that sell for $100 and $200 more than the base model, respectively, which incidentally also shows to be the iPhone ASP overall. See, Android ASPs must be adjusted for outliar devices, but iPhone ASPs are dandy as is.

 

[anon5664829]

Apple doesn't allow tethering app for phones like Google Play does. Many Android phones including the Nexus 5 has build in tethering support. Apple's proprietary closed prison environment let Apple to charge extra $$ for a cell option in their tablets.

IOS has a tethering setting built in. Its your carriers fault cause I have full access to it

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[anon5664829]

So you are saying Apple's praises are overblown as well?

If not, then I don't see how I put words in your mouth. What I said would technically be correct.

They are. Its ridiculous, many people on I more...... *shudders* but that doesnt make you guys better, some of you guys are just as guilty.

Sorry if that seems targeted to you Jeff but it isn't.

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[Cant Miss]

Gotta love all the tangents. So this is about money? Or what people in third world countries are buying? If so I agree with you... Android is cheap. Or at least it can be. And it is indeed fact the Apple ecosystem is more profitable to both developers and partners.

How does this translate to the user experience? That was what we were talking about, right? It means most things come to iOS first. And that their Android counterparts (if they exist) are of lower quality (not really sure if that's due to fewer allocated resources, or the inferior development environment - guessing it's a combo of the 2). I have about 120+ apps on each of my devices, I can recall only one that is actually better on Android (pocketcasts). Even some of Google's own apps are of higher quality/capability on iOS.

Ever have the need to edit a forward and send it out from a different account in the Google email client? I do, daily. But forget about it.

And some things don't exist at all. Show me counterparts to iMovie, Garageband, and Keynote. Even Pages and Numbers. Quickoffice? Google Drive? LOL Just show me a decent video editor I can use that doesn't crash in the middle of my work.

And then there's the third party peripheral ecosystem. Android has more choices there? LOL. Show me an Otterbox or Lifeproof case for our Nexus.

So if we can drop the hate, innuendo, and useless stats, we see there are indeed numerous advantages to iOS devices that directly relate to the user experience. They may not be for you, but that doesn't impact the fact that they exist.

And addressing yet another tangent, iTunes charging more for music. Seems to me it is on par with Amazon and other online sources, and usually better fidelity as well. iTunes was instrumental in giving us choice instead of buying only what the record companies were willing to sell us.

Now I won't go into the myriad of things iOS can't do (I'm sure most here are more than familiar with all of it), but high on my list is unlocked Nexus devices, and a file system I can actually access.