verizon and the nsa

[soulstlr]

thank you so much jerry12...

edit: in particular read the 4th amendment

 

[brewer00psd]

Imagine if Hitler had this capability how much worse it could have been. I know we want to say it could never happen here and on and on. But why do we trust an all knowing all powerful government? Has it not proven over and over that the people who run it are human and are capable of what people are capable of? Don't get me wrong, our government does some wonderful things, but it also does things none of us are proud of. I understand we all want to say to ourselves my guy, my party won't do that or can't do that, but what happens when my party is no longer in office? Am I comfortable with the the new group being able to do that and or more?
I am sorry. It's too much. Our federal government is basically running unchecked and has been unchecked for too long. This is one of the many examples that are out there.
Imagine what information is available for one political party to use against another political party or govt individual to use against another or on other people.
Not a fan.
Just my .02
I don't trust either of the 2 main parties. I consider myself for the most part conservative. Or at least I used too. I am sorry if my soapbox does not agree with yours, I want to continue to be able to stand on it with confidence.
Everyone has skeletons. When will the govt start using what they have or find against you or its political opponents. Because you no longer have privacy.
am I paranoid, maybe.
Matt

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[universeand]

No conversions were monitored. Calls from phone A to phone B and duration of call was the focus. A FISA warrant is required to monitor actual phone calls, which was not done in this case. The Patriot Act allows this and was renewed 3 times by Congress

http://www.propublica.org/special/n...he-government-can-still-get-your-digital-data

What?! ...I'm msndrstood.
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It may be legal but it's far from just or democratic. It violates the spirit of the Magna Carta

 

[Mamaluka]

i must be missing something here...
isn't any person here bothered that their information was handed over to the feds (nsa)?
i, personally, do not believe that verizon is the only culprit in this breach.
do you actually believe for a millisecond that they do not have transcripts of conversations?
leave it to verizon to roll over and have the feds scratch their soft spot... what were they promised in return?
i hate to be a conspiracy theorist but with gps tracking your every move (for the sake of google maps right) and now
our conversations logged continuously perhaps we should just invite the nsa over for dinner.
i would give my address, but i'm sure they already have it...

I am by no means an advocate of government nosiness. However, the cost of recording and transcribing every Verizon customers conversations would be so massive, I don't believe any government has that kind of manpower and money available to perform that enormous an undertaking. Automated transcription programs aren't that advanced to perform accurate transcriptions. So to have any degree of accuracy would require humans actually doing the work.

 

[soulstlr]

I am by no means an advocate of government nosiness. However, the cost of recording and transcribing every Verizon customers conversations would be so massive, I don't believe any government has that kind of manpower and money available to perform that enormous an undertaking. Automated transcription programs aren't that advanced to perform accurate transcriptions. So to have any degree of accuracy would require humans actually doing the work.

from all the articles that i have read, they have no need to do this.
they are tapped directly into the servers of verizon, google, etc. and have access to the data and recordings.
therefore no need for fisa warrants...

 

[Mamaluka]

Yes soul, I believe you are correct. I just can't imagine anyone having the kind of money its would take to transcribe all those voice conversations.
Also, as said in this thread previously... This isn't anything new, I remember hearing about this as far back as 03' why all of a sudden are people covering this like it's sone kind of raging new discovery?

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[MaxBuck]

where have i been?
i've been in combat... where have you been?
sitting at home enjoying the benefits?
all of this bothers me... i didn't shed blood to have it eroded piece by piece.

With respect, our freedoms were immeasurably reduced by the ill-named "Patriot Act" (true patriots would never have supported this watershed theft of our liberties) that our President and Congress shoved through in the wake of 9-11. It's a shame you and so many other brave Americans were put in harm's way to fight a war that the terrorists had already won by causing that loss of freedom.

As a nation, we gladly accepted loss of liberty in exchange for protection against criminals ("terrorists;" actually just plain murderers). That has never, IMO, been a good bargain, but that ship has sailed. Monitoring of cell phone calls is a pretty minor element of that loss, but we're never going to get that liberty back.

 

[jerry12]

i must be missing something here...
isn't any person here bothered that their information was handed over to the feds (nsa)?
i, personally, do not believe that verizon is the only culprit in this breach.
do you actually believe for a millisecond that they do not have transcripts of conversations?
leave it to verizon to roll over and have the feds scratch their soft spot... what were they promised in return?
i hate to be a conspiracy theorist but with gps tracking your every move (for the sake of google maps right) and now
our conversations logged continuously perhaps we should just invite the nsa over for dinner.
i would give my address, but i'm sure they already have it...

No doubt in my mind that the government doesn't have voice recording of our phone calls. Its so the government can control us part of the New World Order , one world government. Just like taking our second Amendment rights away from us disarm us so we can't resist the take over. Google Rex 84 see what you get.

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[jerry12]

They are all ready doing it , John Roberts change his mind about Obama care after he had first sided with the other Conservatives in the court that it was Unconstitutional. Why the change all of sudden.

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