what a let down TB sucks!

[SpaceHippie]

Wait and see what the screen specs are on the TB. If its the same 800x480 as every other HTC megaphone, you'd be better off getting the Bionic.

I thought the specs were they both were 4.3 in screens. although the Bionic has an hd screen supposedly.

The thunderbolt is probably just as fast as the bionic. The difference is the Bionic can multi task alot faster with it's dual core. And apparently has better battery life.

I'll take htc sense over moto blur anyday.

So with that being said. I think the TB will be out soon because i have a feeling Verizon want's it to be the flagship device. If they launch together, TB sales will be awful.

If that's true then i'd grab the TB because the bionic isn't worth waiting all the way until summer.

 

[Bushido Brown]

That's the difference. Everyone is bashing the Thunderbolt without realizing that it will be out very very soon. The Bionic and the Optimus Black/S won't be out till summer. The bionic is scheduled for Q2 2010, which is (I believe) April-June. The Thunderbolt will likely be out before the end of the month or early next month.

Where did you year heard Q2 from? I have never seen Moto provide so much information for a phone that was potentially 5 months away from launch. Think about it, the Droid X launched in July, but we didn't get an official spec sheet, and actual name (remember everyone was calling it the "Shadow") until roughly one month prior to release. They've already posted a page for it on their website.

I'm not saying its not possible. I am however saying that there is no precedence for that at the moment.

 

[TreyDaPrince]

Where did you year heard Q2 from? I have never seen Moto provide so much information for a phone that was potentially 5 months away from launch. Think about it, the Droid X launched in July, but we didn't get an official spec sheet, and actual name (remember everyone was calling it the "Shadow") until roughly one month prior to release. They've already posted a page for it on their website.

I'm not saying its not possible. I am however saying that there is no precedence for that at the moment.

This is what's posted on the front page of AC.

 

[Droid800]

I thought the specs were they both were 4.3 in screens. although the Bionic has an hd screen supposedly.

The thunderbolt is probably just as fast as the bionic. The difference is the Bionic can multi task alot faster with it's dual core. And apparently has better battery life.

I'll take htc sense over moto blur anyday.

So with that being said. I think the TB will be out soon because i have a feeling Verizon want's it to be the flagship device. If they launch together, TB sales will be awful.

If that's true then i'd grab the TB because the bionic isn't worth waiting all the way until summer.

The Bionic's screen is qHD, which means 960x540. Not a huge difference, but enough.

Based on what was unveiled today, I don't think the thunderbolt is the flagship LTE device. I think those honors are going for the Bionic, and perhaps the LG. With the Bionic being given Droid branding, its going to get a lot more market traction than the Thunderbolt would.

 

[Bushido Brown]

This is what's posted on the front page of AC.

I haven't read Q2 reports anywhere else thus far. I'd like to see something more tangible. No offense AC.

Also, the qHD display is one of the features that really caught my eye. I could never understand why people were so rabid for the displays of the EVO and the Droid X when they still used the same 854/800 x 480 displays as everything else. A higher resolution display makes the larger screen much more attractive IMO.

This is all moot(for me at least). Because after seeing the Xoom tablet, I'm suddenly alot less interested in the Thunderbolt or the Bionic.

 

[menschmaschine5]

Where did you year heard Q2 from? I have never seen Moto provide so much information for a phone that was potentially 5 months away from launch. Think about it, the Droid X launched in July, but we didn't get an official spec sheet, and actual name (remember everyone was calling it the "Shadow") until roughly one month prior to release. They've already posted a page for it on their website.

I'm not saying its not possible. I am however saying that there is no precedence for that at the moment.

From the front page of AC:

"Other notable features include the ability to record and display HD video content via its included HDMI port. The Droid Bionic will launch on Verizon during the second quarter of 2011."

The Thunderbolt probably will be the flagship device for a while. The Bionic isn't near release, and the hands on demo said that the demo phones were still buggy early builds, meaning it won't be released anytime soon.

Again, everyone keep in mind that we're talking at least a 3 month difference in release, if not more. The Thunderbolt won't have specs that live up to the bionic (although I still think the presented spec list is false), but it's going to come out much sooner.

I am iffy about the lack of an HDMI port as well. I'm not convinced that anyone would think it a good move to launch a 4.3" device without an HDMI port.

 

[igotsanevo4g]

That's where it becomes convoluted. People automatically assume that, because a chip is dual core, it's doing twice as much work all the time and, therefore, uses twice the power.

However, the proper theory is that dual-core chips have lower power draw and can (when utilized properly) do twice the work in half the time, and THAT'S where the battery life savings comes in (because it only runs half as much as a normal processor).

Kicker is: Froyo and Gingerbread aren't written "properly" to utilize dual core processes at 100% efficiency. Furthermore, since so many factors go into battery life, it's a difficult measurement to quantify. But still, the theory stands that dual core procs take less power

I still dont get it lol. If two processors are running at 500mhz, wtf is the difference between that and one of em at 1ghz.

And yeah, honeycomb is optimized for it tho

 

[Auzo]

I still dont get it lol. If two processors are running at 500mhz, wtf is the difference between that and one of em at 1ghz.

And yeah, honeycomb is optimized for it tho

The difference is that processor speed and voltage are not a linear function of each other. For example say to run at 1GHz you needed 1V but to run at 500MHz you only need .25V this means that power draw would be 50% less for the dual setup (.25 x 2 = .5 compared to 1 and also assuming identical current draw) while doing the same amount of calculations. Now obviously these numbers are made up and I am over simplifying things but it was just to illustrate my point.

 

[thebizz]

Well I had my heart and mind set on this Motorola destroyed it why? Because it has a higher Res screen bigger battery dualcore. The Motorola is what I was asking for guess Moto listens more than I thought. Not saying this is a bad phone but it has Been outdone by Samsung lg and Moto

 

[I am Fake Jesus]

wow alot of you jumped ship to other devices real fast. im still looking forward to the tb. ces is not over. i think the tb could still be a flagship for verizon. the bionic is a q2 phone. most likely late q2. an tb will be a q1, prolly released by end of the month. there is a reason htc an verizon have held off on this an are making hype for there press show. for me iv been waitin since nov to get a new phone tb is still a top contender as i dont wanna wait long. something about all those moto devices just isnt stylish to me. but yea the specs are awsome. but not enough to make me stay with att or wait 3-5 months. i wont go samsung route after watching friends have issues.

over all alot of choice out ther right now for those ready to jump or wait.

 

[MisterEich]

wow alot of you jumped ship to other devices real fast. im still looking forward to the tb. ces is not over. i think the tb could still be a flagship for verizon. the bionic is a q2 phone. most likely late q2. an tb will be a q1, prolly released by end of the month. there is a reason htc an verizon have held off on this an are making hype for there press show. for me iv been waitin since nov to get a new phone tb is still a top contender as i dont wanna wait long. something about all those moto devices just isnt stylish to me. but yea the specs are awsome. but not enough to make me stay with att or wait 3-5 months. i wont go samsung route after watching friends have issues.

over all alot of choice out ther right now for those ready to jump or wait.

I'm with the Fraudulent Messiah. We are all bashing a phone who's specs we have no idea if they're real or not. LG and Moto released their LTE phones, and they look great, however, we don't know anything about the Dolt yet and we're already torching it. Maybe I'm naive, but I'll withhold judgment until VZW and HTC talk about the Thunderbolt today.

Also, as a former BB Storm owner, I am very hesitant to jump on the 1st generation dual core bandwagon. That phone was supposed to be life changing and it was garbage out of the box. I think dual core will be great, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a ton of software updates that will need to tweak how well it works in phones (especially ones with LTE).

 

[tropper]

Yep and its official, while the Thunderbolt will not be a failure it definitely will be a miss. This is bad timing for this phone. Unless the Bionic will be released sometime this summer, the Thunderbolt will underachieve for what is to be considered a flag ship phone. Even Chad OchoCinco is tweeting about the Bionic. Oh well, back to MOTO I go.

Nothing is offical not till its debuted and Verizon puts out the ad and its had a real (as in NOT the fake reviews we've seen) hands-on review.

 

[tropper]

Typically it seems VZW uses Moto as a flagship Droid device. But why would they go through so much to hide it ? I believe its gonna blow the doors off the Lg an Moto IMO

 

[TreyDaPrince]

Well I had my heart and mind set on this Motorola destroyed it why? Because it has a higher Res screen bigger battery dualcore. The Motorola is what I was asking for guess Moto listens more than I thought. Not saying this is a bad phone but it has Been outdone by Samsung lg and Moto

This is what I was saying late last month.

 

[ejz28]

with HTC's ads saying "1st to 4G" the TB is going to be launching very soon, something is happening early next week....

 

[thebizz]

I look at it like this the TB should have been released late Nov early December its high end but can't really compete with some of the phones being released especially if I'm stuck for two years I'm going to make sure the device I buy will fair well for that period of time

 

[Stang68]

Looks like I'll be getting a Bionic or Revolution. The Thunderbolt can ONLY get back in the spotlight if VZW unveils it running a dual-core processor and a nice screen, like the Bionic. Even so, though, the Bionic has an actually useful HDMI port (as compared to the Droid X which does not have HDMI mirroring) and the Thunderbolt doesn't even have one. I will still recommend the TB to my girlfriend who needs a new VZW phone, but I will be waiting for the Bionic or the LG. In the meantime, where is my XOOM??

 

[radgatt]

Either way, Verizon 4g phone line up looks to be better than anyone else's. Imo

 

[menschmaschine5]

Typically it seems VZW uses Moto as a flagship Droid device. But why would they go through so much to hide it ? I believe its gonna blow the doors off the Lg an Moto IMO

I really don't think it will. The specs may be better than the spec list posted in this topic, but this phone will probably be released this month. I don't think any dual core devices will be ready for release this month.

The Moto Bionic does look really good, but motoblur and the locked bootloader are huge turn-offs. Plus, again, it's gonna be a while before it drops. I mean, anyone who wants to wait that long can, but keep in mind that by then there probably will be something better right around the corner.

 

[TreyDaPrince]

I really don't think it will. The specs may be better than the spec list posted in this topic, but this phone will probably be released this month. I don't think any dual core devices will be ready for release this month.

The Moto Bionic does look really good, but motoblur and the locked bootloader are huge turn-offs. Plus, again, it's gonna be a while before it drops. I mean, anyone who wants to wait that long can, but keep in mind that by then there probably will be something better right around the corner.

This was true maybe 6 months ago but this type of thinking has to be thrown out when deciding whether to get the Bolt or Bionic.

1. Droid X has locked bootloader but still rooted and running custom Roms. So what's the problem?
2. The Thunderbolt is more than likely the LAST phone on Verizon without dual core. You really can't wait 4 months for a device with it? The alternative, buy through Bolt and wait 2 years to upgrade to dual core or whatever is hot then.
3. The technology being released this year is something we have never seen before. What you buy in January will be far inferior to what you buy in April. The gap will be enormous compared to past years.

This time last year the Nexus One was released. It was a good buy then because it was still comparable to devices sold in November. You were lucky last year if your phone didn't become outdated in 6 months. Most were 4. With the Thunderbolt, give it 2 months. Guaranteed! Have your opinions but I guarantee it. Mark this thread!