What does this mean?

[anon(387460)]

This got further out of control than I expected it to. So i guess my question was answered. Moto is making their own 4G antennas (I hope they're thinner than what has been produced already).

Again, valuable insights from both sides. It is a safer bet to wait a little bit past the release to see how the phone fairs. It's also fine to be ready for the phone at preorder and prepared to accept any consequences. That's the freedom that is America

But i hope since Moto is a great radio manufacturer they will produce an exceptional device, hopefully worthy of this delay.

Thanks for the info guys and breaking it down for me!

 

[robwilldominate]

Dang guys don't get all defensive. The OP just posted some useful info. Do what you will with it.

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Well I do believe you are making the usual sky is falling warning about the bionic so I think it's only fair that you accept the responses you have illicited.

 

[SnydersWeb]

That's not neccesarily true. The whole Tegra2/LTE issue was never confirmed. Quite the opposite, jha let nvidia off the hook and Nvidia has claimed all along their chip was not the problem. Now its clear it is in fact on motos end.

This doesn't necessarily mean that one or the other is the problem per se, it just means that they didn't get along.

The best example I can think of is I built a 1GHz Athlon system years ago with an Abit motherboard (forget which exact one VIA chipset) and an Adaptec 19160 SCSI controller. Most of the time the system ran great.. but it was prone to random hard lockups. For the longest time I thought it was Windows.. but later I re-purposed this same hardware combination to being a FreeBSD box. It too, experienced lockups. OK.. it's one thing to have 1 OS crash but a completely different one too?

Neither the motherboard or the SCSI host controller were bad, they just didn't get along.

 

[shipwrestler125]

That's not neccesarily true. The whole Tegra2/LTE issue was never confirmed. Quite the opposite, jha let nvidia off the hook and Nvidia has claimed all along their chip was not the problem. Now its clear it is in fact on motos end.



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It may have no been confirmed but if it wasnt the case why did they switch processors? Just saying you cant blame it all on moto. Maybe they just didn't like Tegra 2 and could get better performance with tthe omap. Who knows?

 

[Castor Troy]

@ship because if memory serves me right the Targa was an OMAP handset to begin with.

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[anon(392870)]

That's not neccesarily true. The whole Tegra2/LTE issue was never confirmed. Quite the opposite, jha let nvidia off the hook and Nvidia has claimed all along their chip was not the problem. Now its clear it is in fact on motos end.



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Don't think anyone is really being defensive. You've raised some good points - as I said, a lot of what we have to go on is hope and some speculation at this point - but when you're an early adopter that is almost always the case. For someone like me who realizes he is going to be on this phone for 2 years it makes sense to get an LTE phone over a more stable 3G droid. Especially when you consider 2 years from now a lot of VZW phones are going to be 4G.

I just don't think Moto making changes and the phone having major issues is always going to be a correlation. The phone HAD issues, no doubt, and thats why it was way delayed, but in that process there were other updates that needed to be made from what was supposed to be released soon after Jan 2011. At that point the phone might have been up to par. For July 2011 probably not.

I think a lot of people here are excited for it, but also acknowledge there always is going to be some risk, especially when taking on a new technology like LTE. I just don't think that's inherent to the Bionic.

Re: Jha, whether or not he "let nvidia off the hook" (he was really vague) isn't really the issue.The issue was that what was happening in the Bionic was a problem with the LTE radio not interacting well with Tegra 2. It was probably my fault for writing about "Tegra 2 and LTE" not playing nice instead of Tegra 2 and the LTE radio not playing nice (which, admittedly, are 2 different things), but the point remains, if switching to another processor fixes these issues than the reason for the delays may altogether be eliminated.

 

[Castor Troy]

Again, valuable insights from both sides. It is a safer bet to wait a little bit past the release to see how the phone fairs. It's also fine to be ready for the phone at preorder and prepared to accept any consequences.

Exactly......nothing more nothing less. I'm just emphasizing the importance of making an informed decision which many people don't do because they get caught up in the hype and "I want it now" mentality.

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[anon(392870)]

Exactly......nothing more nothing less. I'm just emphasizing the importance of making an informed decision which many people don't do because they get caught up in the hype and "I want it now" mentality.

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You're right too. I'm stuck on my BB and trust me I am extremely excited to move to a new phone. A lot of us stuck on these old devices can't wait to update.

 

[Castor Troy]

Exactly......nothing more nothing less. I'm just emphasizing the importance of making an informed decision which many people don't do because they get caught up in the hype and "I want it now" mentality.

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You're right too. I'm stuck on my BB and trust me I am extremely excited to move to a new phone. A lot of us stuck on these old devices can't wait to update.

Ouch......yeah I understand where you are coming from. I was a huge BB fan myself. I can't imagine going back. I am curious what 7.0 will bring though.

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[corymcnutt]

CK offers good & sound advice and I respect that - BUT, I too will become one of their Beta Testers on 7/29. I am usually a little more patient and wait a few weeks to see what happens with a new phone, but with the Bionic, I will throw caution to the wind, because: Moto makes good products - BOTH Moto and Verizon had to test this phone and give it an OK - After all of this press/publicity/PRESSURE both know it will be under a microscope and better perform - Seeing the Dual-Core/new 3D Blur on the D3 videos shows a very smooth, fast, and slick working phone - I really think Moto wants to make this phone great, right away, so I am rolling the dice; wish me luck!

 

[corymcnutt]

@ship because if memory serves me right the Targa was an OMAP handset to begin with.

Your memory is serving you correctly!

 

[neowarcloud]

This is concerning on many fronts. First off I've been saying Moto has been floundering around for some time now. They are in trouble gents. Secondly if I was in the market for this handset I would seriously reconsider getting it when it first rolls out. This will be their first phone with their first LTE radio. That could spell trouble. Yes moto is the best in the business with radios but its a risk purchasing this handset.

I personally recommend for people to wait. Let others be Motorola's beta testers. If you ignore this fact just know going in you may be in for a VERY long 2 years for not being patient.

Be smart.......

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You tend to be on the alarmist side. I have to say I disagree with your assessment of doom and gloom. It appears the recession was hard on Motorola and they shed about 47 percent of their between 2007 and 2009. In 2010 they reclaimed some of their value, increased revenue and pulled an operating profit. If the Bionic is successful, it will go far to relieve investors of the recent issues. Your assertion they are floundering is widely off the mark and that is the reason that they considered a "buy" stock and if I had to next year this time their stock will be hanging around the $40 mark (assuming the bionic is successful).

 

[robwilldominate]

Exactly......nothing more nothing less. I'm just emphasizing the importance of making an informed decision which many people don't do because they get caught up in the hype and "I want it now" mentality.

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Are you now the fun police? Geez, let people be excited for this phone. Everyone knows there are risks but that is choice we make. Why do i have a feeling you are not extendingg the same caution to your GSII.

 

[shipwrestler125]

Are you now the fun police? Geez, let people be excited for this phone. Everyone knows there are risks but that is choice we make. Why do i have a feeling you are not extendingg the same caution to your GSII.

Because it's perfect remember.
/s

 

[robwilldominate]

The launch is imminent. Rain on the parade when there's actually something to complain about. But until then, let those enjoy the light at the end of the tunnel. I think those waiting for this phone have endured enough delays and setbacks. Let them have the excitement of a buildup at least. jmo

 

[f150fan]

I think all CK is actually doing here is telling people to make sure that this is the device for you, not rain on anyone's parade. A truly informed decision is always better than a rushed one. I played with a Droid 3 last night and I was very impressed with the latest incarnation of Blur. This is a true successor overall to the OG Droid in almost every way. I had to stop myself from just shelling out the money right then and there. I will say this, not trying to stir anything up again though, the screen, while it has its benefits was the main thing holding me back. It is very vibrant but when it deals with motion is where it can fall flat on its face, the ghosting effect is there. It is not as bad as the DX2 though. I am hoping that the Bionic will be for me but I will not know for sure until I actually get to play with one. Like I said I think that CK just wants everyone to think the decision through on this. I am a huge Moto fan but I am also going to make sure that I put the Bionic through its paces before making my decision. I am still very excited for it to be released, hopefully very soon.

Also the SGS II is a phenomenal device, but not without its own shortcomings as well. Everyone has different tastes. That is where Android truly shines. You get a many options as far as hardware. Even the fruit can't offer that. Different people like different things, even hardware. This holds true in pretty much every aspect of life, especially us Android addicts.

 

[robwilldominate]

I don't think we are on the same page here. I'd be a moron to debate whether it is better to be informed or misinformed before you make a decision. CK likes to hate on the bionic, I like to call him out on it. Simple as that.

 

[UNC_Bball]

Because it's perfect remember.
/s

technically within the US it is perfect...since it only exists within our imaginations

 

[JayWill]

Are you now the fun police? Geez, let people be excited for this phone. Everyone knows there are risks but that is choice we make. Why do i have a feeling you are not extendingg the same caution to your GSII.

CK has made it no secret that the SGS2 will probably be his next device, but he's not being unreasonable with his comments in this thread. He's simply urging common sense. The GS2 has been out for almost 3 months, with plenty of reviews and tear downs for people to understand what the device has to offer. Short of holding one in your hand, it's pretty easy to make a purchase decision at this point. Of course, we still have no clue what the US carriers may, or may not do to it, which could easily change someone's mind. Meanwhile the Bionic isn't even out yet, nor is there anything beyond rumor on the specs. I think urging cautious optimism is fair.

 

[Castor Troy]

You tend to be on the alarmist side. I have to say I disagree with your assessment of doom and gloom. It appears the recession was hard on Motorola and they shed about 47 percent of their between 2007 and 2009. In 2010 they reclaimed some of their value, increased revenue and pulled an operating profit. If the Bionic is successful, it will go far to relieve investors of the recent issues. Your assertion they are floundering is widely off the mark and that is the reason that they considered a "buy" stock and if I had to next year this time their stock will be hanging around the $40 mark (assuming the bionic is successful).

I disagree.