When will Google fix Android's fragmentation?

[JeffDenver]

Jesus, why are we arguing about who makes money?

I agree. It is only Apple people that ever bring that up...I have no idea why it is relevant at all.

 

[JeffDenver]

Since you want to be literal about it even though I admitted that I was NOT talking mathematically, then be that way. I will change the nomenclature to accommodate your self worth to plurality. Happy now? 40% of all Android handset makers is HUGE when the number two in the list is at 4-5%.

I agree. That still does not mean Samsung = Android. If Samsung fell off the fact of the earth, most people in the world would using smartphones would still be using Android phones.

So what? Am I not allowed to speculate? Your response is a non-sequitur. No one here has made the argument that Apple and Samsung are not currently on top for profitshare. You are trying to argue with me over something I never denied.

Not when you claim that you know the future and present your posts as if what you say WILL happen. You do not know (nor I for that matter) what will happen.

I don't claim to know anything. I'm voicing an opinion, just like you are. That's the point of a forum.

You said in your post it was ONLY hardware. Now you change it to mostly. That is a habit of yours. You present your opinion as fact, but when you are called on it, then you change the wording.

Make sure you call the police. It's the only way I'll learn.

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I should of never asked about fragmentation on an Android forum. Lesson learned.

Don't ask the question if you don't want to hear the answer. There is no one-sentence answer that will explain it.

 

[JeffDenver]

Market share is one thin and profit share is something different.

Profit only matters to the company and it's shareholders. No one else will care about profit.

A company is hard pressed to sustain its growth w/o profit. LG, HTC, MOTO, are not making money. Apple has shown that it can be profitable with declining market share. Case in point, the PC/laptop market. Apple has less than 10% of the market and makes more profit than HP which has the largest market share.

Why are there so many Android phone makers if no one else is making profit? You tell me.

Same applies to the handset market SO FAR. Apple makes 62% of the profit and control only 15% of the market. The rest of the profits are taken by Samsung.

Has Apple profitshare been increasing or decreasing since 2012?

Yes it was speculative back then to make any prediction about the future. Those who speculate sometimes get it right, but more often than not get it wrong.

How did you determine that they get it wrong more often than not?

The point is, you DO NOT KNOW if they will or they will not. You claim to an oracle

I claim to have an opinion, just like you. You're not special. The rest of us get to have opinions too.

I'm really sorry if my opinion about phone technology offends you. You'll need to find a way to get over it.

Just because a company loses market share does not mean it will lose profit share.

I disagree. In most cases, it means exactly that. Nokia and Blackberry are good examples.

That is your OPINION. It is not fact.

How dare I voice an opinion. lol

 

[Jarhead212]

I got an answer. But then you continue to scuffle with other people on stupid things . I leaned alot from you thank you. Why do you care who makes more money. It doesn't effect you does it? We are all just trying to become informed consumers. Not unpaid employees for either Google or Apple.

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[JeffDenver]

I got an answer. But then you continue to scuffle with other people on stupid things .

Because this is a discussion forum. If someone makes a claim I think is wrong, I challenge them on it. Occasionally, my challenge is wrong and I learn something new. So thats why I do it.

I leaned a lot from you thank you. Why do you care who makes more money.

I don't. I was responding to claims someone else made. I personally don't think profits have anything to do with which phone is better in a given situation. I'm not a shareholder.

That's why I recommended the Nexus to you, despite the fact that it does not make a lot of profit.

We are all just trying to become informed consumers. Not unpaid employees for either Google or Apple.

Then discussion is good. And we are in agreement that profit is irrelevant.

 

[A895]

I should of never asked about fragmentation on an Android forum. Lesson learned.

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Stop being dramatic.

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[A895]

I agree. It is only Apple people that ever bring that up...I have no idea why it is relevant at all.

Not only Apple people, anyone who is a proponent of Android loves claiming there is a fragmentation problem. It's one of the most tired and old arguments against Android.

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[JeffDenver]

Not only Apple people, anyone who is a proponent of Android loves claiming there is a fragmentation problem. It's one of the most tired and old arguments against Android.

No, I was talking about the "profit" argument. I never bring up profits as a reason to buy a phone. It has nothing to do with anything in my opinion. Only Apple people ever bring that up.

 

[A895]

No, I was talking about the "profit" argument. I never bring up profits as a reason to buy a phone. It has nothing to do with anything in my opinion. Only Apple people ever bring that up.

That too, profits never prove anything.

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[nj1266]

I agree. That still does not mean Samsung = Android. If Samsung fell off the fact of the earth, most people in the world would using smartphones would still be using Android phones.

There were 1.2 billion smartphones shipped in 2013, 314 million of which were Samsung phones. 537 million were other Android phones 153 million were Apple phones. And 251 million Nokia phones. If you subtract the Samsung, Nokia, and Apple phones from all the phones, then you get left with 536 million Android phones. (536/1200)*100, then you get 45%. Sorry, but you are wrong. If you take out Samsung, Nokia, and Apple from the total of all phones, then Android is left with 45% of all smartphones.

I don't claim to know anything. I'm voicing an opinion, just like you are. That's the point of a forum.
Make sure you call the police. It's the only way I'll learn.

There you go again, presenting opinion as fact and then back tracking when you are called on it.


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[Jarhead212]

Do you guys also think that Android's security issues are overblown?

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[nj1266]

Profit only matters to the company and it's shareholders. No one else will care about profit. Why are there so many Android phone makers if no one else is making profit? You tell me.

Because market knowledge is not perfect. Corporations assume that they are going to make profits when they enter the market, otherwise they would not enter. Sometimes they succeed and sometimes they do not. Look at the PC market and how it got decimated because there were too many players producing products that no one wanted to buy. Eventually the companies that made said products exited the market. Example IBM left the PC market. Compaq is nowhere to be found. Dell went private.

Similar things will happen in the smartphone handset market. There are way too many players that are not making money. They either have to show some profits or get out of the market. No manufacturing corporation can continue to produce handsets that people do not buy in large numbers to make profits. It is a losing business model. Corporations are not charities, they want to make money. Apple and Samsung are, but the rest are not. LG, HTC, and MOTO are losing money.

How did you determine that they get it wrong more often than not?

Because I read and read and read. There are always analysts predicting doom and gloom for Apple and they are always wrong. Apple quarter to similar quarter phone sales keep going up, admittedly not as much as it used to because there are far more players on the market, but it still goes up. Same applies to Samsung now that it is a dominant handset maker. Doom and gloom that seldom gets met with reality.

I claim to have an opinion, just like you. You're not special. The rest of us get to have opinions too.

I'm really sorry if my opinion about phone technology offends you. You'll need to find a way to get over it.

The problem is not the opinion, the problem is that you present your opinion as fact and that you somehow can predict the future of Apple and Samsung based on market share alone. That is uninformed opinion.

I disagree. In most cases, it means exactly that. Nokia and Blackberry are good examples.

Disagree all you want, but Apple has shown time and again that it can sustain profits with declining marketshare. It is doing it in the PC/laptop market and there is no reason that it cannot do it in the smartphone and tablet market. You have to answer this question: If Apple can do it in the past why can't it do it in the future?




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[Jarhead212]

I never thought fan boys existed until now. Why do keep going on and on. You will never agree with him. So why waste you breathe. Why are putting so much effort in trying to prove someone wrong on a forum where no one really cares what you think. Your opinion is yours alone. Get off your high horse.

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[Aquila]

And we're done. This same trolling taking over so many threads is getting old. I'd strongly recommend that y'all crack open the forum rules and pay a lot of attention to the puppah part at the top.

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