Who will be getting the S4 from Google and selling Nexus4

[shahid99]

well price isnt the problem for me but i dont see a point in buying that one insted nexus 4 ...almost same speces just a lil bit diffrent but there is also a diffrent in price too

but i think nexus 4 looks much better than S4 .. if u look nexus 4 in the sun it shines awesome lol

 

[grayfox99]

You obviously had a defective unit. My N4 is very durable and has great battery life. Why didn't you get yours replaced?

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I had the same issues at this guy poor battery life cracked screen (mine didnt shatter just cracked after basically no pressure being put on it), and on top of it all the phone periodically freezes, usually at night, so it's worthless as an alarm clock. Keep in mind this is my third N4, and now because of the crack I cant send the phone back even though this is really a quality issue that multiple owners have experienced. I have never had any issues even remotely resembling these issues with any Samsung phone I have had. LG botched the Nexus from the very start including the distribution of it, you definitely get what you pay for with the N4. I will be more than happy to be rid of my N4 and pick up a GS4 google edition.

 

[Aquila]

The Google S4 will be like an N4 with better hardware. I am not sure how you could reasonably say the N4 would be better. Other than the curved glass, there is nothing on the N4 that is as good or better then the Google S4 IMO. Better camera, faster CPU, better display, far more expansion, far better battery life, Additional sensors (IR)...it will have all of this in addition to everything the N4 already has.

I'm saying if you can make the argument that the standard S4 and N4 are relatively even in total appeal (not specs on paper) and if, like me, you believe the standard S4 to be superior to the Google S4 (because you can flash an AOSP rom and flash back to stock TouchWiz whenever you want), then both of the equal devices are greater than the lesser. It's how I rank them, not how everyone should.

Also, what are all of those sensors going to do without any code to make them do anything? The camera is still higher MP and a larger lens, so it's better.. but how much of the quality was Samsung's camera software that won't be there?

According to engadget, default battery life is awesome though. Samsung Galaxy S 4 review - They are claiming 14 to 15 hours. That is certainly FAR better than my Nexus 4 can do.

How will the AOSP battery life compare to the standard version? Battery life isn't about a number, how much of the battery life optimization is in TouchWiz? That's what we'll find out when people have some GE S4's to play with.

I like the way you're thinking about this, we're just getting to different conclusions. I consider the TouchWiz S4, HTC One and Nexus 4 to be the undisputed top 3 of the top 10 devices available today list, but I can argue any of of them being 1, 2 or 3 depending on who I'm recommending it to, therefore I consider them roughly equivalent, despite their differences on a spec sheet.

 

[JeffDenver]

I'm saying if you can make the argument that the standard S4 and N4 are relatively even in total appeal

They are not though. Not even close. In every comparison between the two, the only reason anyone doesn't want the S4 is price. If both devices were the same price, it would be no contest. The S4 is clearly a better phone. Some people just don't think it is $300 better.

Also, what are all of those sensors going to do without any code to make them do anything?

You need a canvas before you can paint a masterpiece.

But even if those sensors lay dormant forever, it will still be a better phone than the N4 in virtually every way.

The camera is still higher MP and a larger lens, so it's better.. but how much of the quality was Samsung's camera software that won't be there?

I guess we will find out. My prediction is that it is mostly hardware, not touchwiz.

How will the AOSP battery life compare to the standard version?

It won't matter, since the battery can actually (*GASP*) be upgraded. It can't possibly be worse than the N4's battery. Even stock.

 

[Aquila]

They are not though. Not even close. In every comparison between the two, the only reason anyone doesn't want the S4 is price. If both devices were the same price, it would be no contest. The S4 is clearly a better phone. Some people just don't think it is $300 better.


You need a canvas before you can paint a masterpiece.

But even if those sensors lay dormant forever, it will still be a better phone than the N4 in virtually every way.


I guess we will find out. My prediction is that it is mostly hardware, not touchwiz.


It won't matter, since the battery can actually (*GASP*) be upgraded. It can't possibly be worse than the N4's battery. Even stock.

So you're telling me my opinion is invalid? There's no way I can look at 3 of the top 5 devices and think that they're all good for various reasons and that they all have compromises that lend strength to the others? I'm really not sure why you're so defensive about this, always taking a combative tone, but I think I'll take the advice that you throw at everyone else who doesn't share and worship your opinion and stop interacting with you.

There is no reason that people can't like different things for different reasons. I guess you missed the last part of the statement you quoted, "I like the way you're thinking about this, we're just getting to different conclusions. I consider the TouchWiz S4, HTC One and Nexus 4 to be the undisputed top 3 of the top 10 devices available today list, but I can argue any of of them being 1, 2 or 3 depending on who I'm recommending it to, therefore I consider them roughly equivalent, despite their differences on a spec sheet."

That bit was again an attempt to reach out and find the common ground so that we can move forward in discussion, but each and every attempt to do so has been rebuffed with sarcasm and a dogmatic worship of archaic ideals and logic holes predicated upon a paradigm in which all consumers are more knowledgeable replicas of yourself, making all decisions with your value set and never tiring or wavering from their mission of carrying 2010 phone concepts into the future, despite the obvious potential for exponential transcendence in the technology world.

You've stated that you want to see a world in which space is unlimited and lag is unheard of, yet cling like a child scared of the unknown to a theory that the status quo will last forever, that data will always be hard to find and expensive, that devices will always have 16GB of internal storage, that SD cards are the highest innovation of which man has ever conceived. These are all silly, old and tired concepts that provide a tiny box that, because of the opaqueness that blinds inhabitants to the possibility of evolved thought outside of it's confines, should be not only ignored, but crushed into oblivion so that "thinking outside the box" is not only the only thing possible, but a rewarded and celebrated endeavor in such a way that those who confine themselves to are ridiculed in the same way as those who are governed by the wishes of Thor.

It was nice talking to you, but it's stupid for me or anyone else to try to build bridges to your island only to watch them preemptively burn, so I'll stop wasting both yours and my time. Have a good one.

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

They are not though. Not even close. In every comparison between the two, the only reason anyone doesn't want the S4 is price. If both devices were the same price, it would be no contest. The S4 is clearly a better phone. Some people just don't think it is $300 better.

No. Even if it were free, some of us don't want a phone burdened with Microsoft's patents. You don't speak for everyone.

 

[JeffDenver]

So you're telling me my opinion is invalid?

No one's opinion is really invalid. But IMO it is ridiculous to say the Google S4 and N4 are equal when their hardware is not equal. If you take software out of the equation, there is nothing left for the N4. It's advantages over the S4 are almost entirely software.

I'm really not sure why you're so defensive about this

Why does everyone think I am being defensive just because I have a different opinion? Have I been name calling? Have I been using excessive punctuation? A lot of people on here really need to grow a thicker skin and stop taking disagreement so personally.

That bit was again an attempt to reach out and find the common ground so that we can move forward in discussion

There is no need for everyone to always be on common ground. It is ok to disagree. This is just a discussion about technology, not religion or politics.

You've stated that you want to see a world in which space is unlimited and lag is unheard of, yet cling like a child scared of the unknown to a theory

You should take your own advice about sarcasm. Lead by example. It personally does not bother me. But it's a little hypocritical to complain about stuff you yourself are also doing.

It was nice talking to you, but it's stupid for me or anyone else to try to build bridges

Bridges do not need to be built. This is not a peace conference. It's just a phone forum. I am allowed my opinion just as much as you are.

 

[JeffDenver]

No. Even if it were free, some of us don't want a phone burdened with Microsoft's patents.

How will those patents affect you as the end user?

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

How will those patents affect you as the end user?

That's entirely different, but having an SD card forced into the system software means my phone is not as secure, and brings detrimental changes to system performance.

I was mostly concerned with not showing financial support for the practice. You may be fine with supporting Microsoft's business practices, but I and many others are not.

 

[JeffDenver]

That's entirely different, but having an SD card forced into the system software means my phone is not as secure, and brings detrimental changes to system performance.

I was mostly concerned with not showing financial support for the practice. You may be fine with supporting Microsoft's business practices, but I and many others are not.

THAT is a legitimate complaint IMO. The first legitimate rebuttal of SD I have seen on this forum so far. I don't agree of course, but at least you explained your reasoning.

 

[Aquila]

having an SD card forced into the system software means my phone is not as secure, and brings detrimental changes to system performance.

That's exactly what Google said when they pulled support. Every time someone says, "Google stopped supporting old and bad tech", it's implied that this reasoning is why because Google flat out told us why.

 

[JeffDenver]

That's exactly what Google said when they pulled support. Every time someone says, "Google stopped supporting old and bad tech", it's implied that this reasoning is why because Google flat out told us why.

A better solution IMO would have been to simply give us a way to turn SD off if we don't want it.

I am guessing the vast majority of Android users are not part of Jerry's jihad against Microsoft patents and are probably unconcerned with those security issues. Just my opinion based on my own experience. I would be willing to bet even a vast majority of tech nerds are unconcerned with the security issues.

 

[avidberry]

Not for me. I've already spent $550 for this one and I'll keep it for at least another year. Well, unless Samsung reduced Note 2's price which may tempted me to sell my N4. Battery life has been a huge issue for me though franco kernel helped a bit.

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[rubi76]

Sorry guys, I said this before and I'll say it again. I owned every single Nexus device, and I loved them (in different ways) all. The Nexus 4 is definitely up there as one of the best, although it has a couple of big shortcomings. Having said that, if you think for a second that the s4 doesn't have better hardware than the n4 you are just in denial.

Sent from my Nexus

 

[Aquila]

Sorry guys, I said this before and I'll say it again. I owned every single Nexus device, and I loved them (in different ways) all. The Nexus 4 is definitely up there as one of the best, although it has a couple of big shortcomings. Having said that, if you think for a second that the s4 doesn't have better hardware than the n4 you are just in denial.

Sent from my Nexus

It undoubtedly has a better spec sheet. But spec sheet isn't the entire experience. The N4 has compromises, but the S4 does too (menu button, TW, physical buttons, etc). The N4 is a 2012 phone and the S4 is a 2013 phone. If it wasn't better on the spec sheet, we'd be pretty worried about Samsung's sanity. Just like on the day it was released, the Nexus 4 was the best device hardware wise in existence. Some of the compromises are features to other people and vice versa. This is exactly why I refer to both as top 5 devices. Neither is definitively a "best" for everyone, or even most people. The most important spec in any device is, "this is the one that I wanted".

 

[omniusovermind]

Sorry guys, I said this before and I'll say it again. I owned every single Nexus device, and I loved them (in different ways) all. The Nexus 4 is definitely up there as one of the best, although it has a couple of big shortcomings. Having said that, if you think for a second that the s4 doesn't have better hardware than the n4 you are just in denial.

Sent from my Nexus

Quite true. However I feel that this entire conversation would be better postponed until the Fall and changed to "Will you be getting the S4GE or the Nexus 5?". Because really, the phone is only going to be rolling out 5 months ahead of the usual Nexus launches as opposed to the 9 month difference between the Nexus 4 and the S4GE, and the S4GE will be exclusive to the USA only at launch, whereas it might be internationally available by the time the N5 arrives.

 

[Aquila]

Quite true. However I feel that this entire conversation would be better postponed until the Fall and changed to "Will you be getting the S4GE or the Nexus 5?". Because really, the phone is only going to be rolling out 5 months ahead of the usual Nexus launches as opposed to the 9 month difference between the Nexus 4 and the S4GE, and the S4GE will be exclusive to the USA only at launch, whereas it might be internationally available by the time the N5 arrives.

I think it's somewhat telling that we're having the debate about the N4 though. Just like last year, the Nexus is still relevant in the following year, while the spring releases are dated by the next Nexus. This year I'm not expecting the N5 to blow out the S4, but we almost need to split the calendar into hemispheres and compare them that way. 2013 phones SHOULD be better than 2012 phones, but these two are roughly equal. That happened exactly the same way last year too. There are compromises on both sides, but this is another reason I like to think of the best phones as a top 5 list.

 

[bob13bob]

I've been using the a One, and ib actually p prefer the n4. When you throw $300 savings in, it's a no brainer these new phones are not with the upgrade

 

[mcelmeel17]

^It still takes longer. Those buttons get pressed a lot....that's a whole lot of gestures.

Quit while you are ahead. PIE doesn't take longer than pushing a button. I would argue that its faster. Its THAT good. Once you get used to it, there doesn't feel like a better option. My two cents

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