Why can't we get top specs in a normal Size???

[nrm5110]

While I respect ur opinion, I can't help but point out that u do not know if an s3 mini with top specs will sell since it hasn't been done before. I hate assumptions when it's never been tried. The best specs we have now in a small device is an iphone, which is wildly successful for multiple reasons, and the just recently released razr m. And so far, the razr m is turning out to be a major hit. if u would of kept it the same size and gave it the specs of its older brother, the razr maxx hd, i believe it would of flew off the shelves even faster than it is now and would of landed in a very different and unique place among its successful android cousins.

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You hate assumptions when you yourself are making them.

There is likely a reason said phone has not been made, likely they see the small screen top spec market to be a niche they don't see as profitable enough. 99% of this conversation is speculation and assumption .

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[jdm2008]

This point has been made before but you ignored it. The Rezound when it was released was a top spec'd phone and it didn't sell well. The fact is, is that phone mfg's don't make top spec'd phones with small screens because they don't think they'll sell well. The Razr Maxx and S3 were not released when the rezound was selling. What Verizon phone sicnificantly out spec'd the rezound when it released? Answer:None.
The experiment that you are speaking of has already been tried and we already have the results.
Your iphone argument that you keep making has 0 relevence to this conversation. Is the iphone is the small and top spec'd phone that you want why don't you go buy one? The answer to that question is the same reason why your comparison is invalid.

 

[badbrad17]

This point has been made before but you ignored it. The Rezound when it was released was a top spec'd phone and it didn't sell well. The fact is, is that phone mfg's don't make top spec'd phones with small screens because they don't think they'll sell well. The Razr Maxx and S3 were not released when the rezound was selling. What Verizon phone sicnificantly out spec'd the rezound when it released? Answer:None.
The experiment that you are speaking of has already been tried and we already have the results.
Your iphone argument that you keep making has 0 relevence to this conversation. Is the iphone is the small and top spec'd phone that you want why don't you go buy one? The answer to that question is the same reason why your comparison is invalid.

I think a better question would be how well would a 4.8 inch iPhone sell compared to the current 4inch model. I think the answer would be pretty clear. People are jumping off the iPhone Band Wagon to get a larger screen. The numbers the other way are much smaller. Not that there aren't people wanting a smaller device, it's just not the norm.

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[RicanMedic78]

Why is the rezound entering this argument? When that phone came out, it was shortly after the introduction of the bionic. At that time, 4.3in was still considered a super phone. The rezound has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.

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[RicanMedic78]

You hate assumptions when you yourself are making them.

There is likely a reason said phone has not been made, likely they see the small screen top spec market to be a niche they don't see as profitable enough. 99% of this conversation is speculation and assumption .

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But when u have an entire segment of the market completely eliminated for no good reason in only one mobile platform, then the assumption is really on them to prove that no one wants it. And let's not forget, manufacturers are trying to address the issue, so it's a complaint that has legs! But then they go backwards by adding only half the specs, and then complain about the results saying that no one wants a smaller device. Only half spec customers want smaller devices yea okay!

And I don't have small hands... I'm just one of those guys that doesn't like to have a vcr hanging from his belt

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[bp3dots]

But when u have an entire segment of the market completely eliminated for no good reason in only one mobile platform, then the assumption is really on them to prove that no one wants it. And let's not forget, manufacturers are trying to address the issue, so it's a complaint that has legs! But then they go backwards by adding only half the specs, and then complain about the results saying that no one wants a smaller device. Only half spec customers want smaller devices yea okay!

The problem is balancing the cost of the smaller device. For most consumers, a 4 inch device for 199 or a 4.8 in for 199 is a no brainer, get the bigger one. The small units will sell some, but not enough to justify the production, or for carriers to buy the stock and sit on it. The RAZR M is significantly cheaper than it's big brothers will be, and that appeals to the demographic it is meant for. I don't think they are saying nobody wants smaller devices, but rather that not enough people would buy a high spec'd, expensive device at a small size. (Exempting Apple, as they generally produce what they want to, and sell very well based on brand loyalty and their OS/ecosystem combo)

In selling phones, the #1 reason I see people take smaller phones is cost. They're free/cheap. The statement "I'd love this one, but it's too much" is very common. Thus, the manufacturers make good devices at smaller sizes and lower price points. I honestly don't think I've ever heard anyone say "I love this device's features, but It's just too big." (Not that it's never been said at all, but the point is it's not said very often.)

As for not knowing whether it will sell since it hasn't been tried, both OEM's and Carriers do this kind of research as to what will sell best, and base their decisions on it. While it may not give a perfect solution, it does give a basis on which to go.

 

[nrm5110]

Hence my statement of niche market

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[jdm2008]

Why is the rezound entering this argument? When that phone came out, it was shortly after the introduction of the bionic. At that time, 4.3in was still considered a super phone. The rezound has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.

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Simple Question: Why is it do hard to fathom a top spec'd device in a 4in to 4.3in screen size???

Rezound screen size=4.3 in. I'm sorry you are not making any sense. The Rezound has everything to do with this discussion it just does not say what you want it too.

 

[NoYankees44]

This point has been made before but you ignored it. The Rezound when it was released was a top spec'd phone and it didn't sell well. The fact is, is that phone mfg's don't make top spec'd phones with small screens because they don't think they'll sell well. The Razr Maxx and S3 were not released when the rezound was selling. What Verizon phone sicnificantly out spec'd the rezound when it released? Answer:None.
The experiment that you are speaking of has already been tried and we already have the results.
Your iphone argument that you keep making has 0 relevence to this conversation. Is the iphone is the small and top spec'd phone that you want why don't you go buy one? The answer to that question is the same reason why your comparison is invalid.

I have one word for you. Marketing.

The Rezound was released at the same time as the razr. By just about any measure it is a better devise than the razr, but the razr was pushed by Verizon with the Droid and razr figure head names and has not stopped being advertised for. Them wit the max, the Rezound never had a marketing chance and no one even knows it exists.

You combine this with the fact that it was only on verizon and the world does not know or care even though it has the best specs of any phone of that generation.

Also, the Rezound is not that much smaller than the larger screen phones. It's definitely smaller, but not as much as it could be. A small screen phone needs to be like the incredible 4g with awesome form factor, just with top of the line specs instead of high midrange specs, and it needs to be on multiple carriers with the advertising of a top tier phone.

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[NoYankees44]

Basically it's got very little to do with actually screen size. We want a small devise with an edge to edge screen. Basically an iphone with better form factor with same or slightly larger screen and running bleeding edge specs.

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[RicanMedic78]

The Rezound was considered a super phone as well. I don't know for the life of me why some people would think it was designed as a smaller device. It was 4.3in and it was assumed that it was the big brother to the dinc2

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[mcantu]

Basically it's got very little to do with actually screen size. We want a small devise with an edge to edge screen. Basically an iphone with better form factor with same or slightly larger screen and running bleeding edge specs.

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^^this exactly.

if they went edge-to-edge and used on screen buttons, they could get a 4.3"-4.5" screen on a phone almost the size of a Nexus S

 

[RicanMedic78]

I actually agree with this. And i would be more than willing able to accept a 4.3in screen if it's edge to edge...

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[bp3dots]

I have one word for you. Marketing.

The Rezound was released at the same time as the razr. By just about any measure it is a better devise than the razr, but the razr was pushed by Verizon with the Droid and razr figure head names and has not stopped being advertised for. Them wit the max, the Rezound never had a marketing chance and no one even knows it exists.

You combine this with the fact that it was only on verizon and the world does not know or care even though it has the best specs of any phone of that generation.

Also, the Rezound is not that much smaller than the larger screen phones. It's definitely smaller, but not as much as it could be. A small screen phone needs to be like the incredible 4g with awesome form factor, just with top of the line specs instead of high midrange specs, and it needs to be on multiple carriers with the advertising of a top tier phone.

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Nexus phones generally aren't heavily marketed or pushed by the carriers, yet they have a big following in the android community. With the Rezound meeting the high end device requirement, in the size that people have said was neglected, it should have sold much better than it did (according to those who say there is big demand for this combo.)

What killed the Rezound was the $299 price tag. It wasn't worth it for most people to get the performance boost of the Rezound vs the RAZR.

 

[NoYankees44]

Nexus phones generally aren't heavily marketed or pushed by the carriers, yet they have a big following in the android community. With the Rezound meeting the high end device requirement, in the size that people have said was neglected, it should have sold much better than it did (according to those who say there is big demand for this combo.)

What killed the Rezound was the $299 price tag. It wasn't worth it for most people to get the performance boost of the Rezound vs the RAZR.

The razr was the same price at launch and the Rezound price dropped faster.

And the nexus devises have never been very successful. I mean compare them to s3 or iphone. I don't know the numbers, but I would even be willing to bet that the razr has sold more on only one carrier. The Nexus is successful with the ppl that get on the Internet, but not with the general public. It's the king of the niche phones so to speak.

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[mcantu]

The razr was the same price at launch and the Rezound price dropped faster.

And the nexus devises have never been very successful. I mean compare them to s3 or iphone. I don't know the numbers, but I would even be willing to bet that the razr has sold more on only one carrier. The Nexus is successful with the ppl that get on the Internet, but not with the general public. It's the king of the niche phones so to speak.

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thats because there is zero advertising for Nexus phones compared to something like the SIII or the iphone

 

[NoYankees44]

thats because there is zero advertising for Nexus phones compared to something like the SIII or the iphone

Which was part of my point...

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[shady28]

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So now what happens is, it won't sell as well as its big brother and everyone will look at it as customers not wanting smaller devices.

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Which would be completely tarded when you look at iPhone 4S and 5 sales - 3.5" and 4" screen devices.

Android has nothing that beats the iPhone on its own turf. The closest it gets is the HTC One S, which is spec'd and (IMO) built way better than this POS Samsung SGS3 "Mini". The Mini has the specs of what are now entry level phones.

 

[badbrad17]

Which would be completely tarded when you look at iPhone 4S and 5 sales - 3.5" and 4" screen devices.

Android has nothing that beats the iPhone on its own turf. The closest it gets is the HTC One S, which is spec'd and (IMO) built way better than this POS Samsung SGS3 "Mini". The Mini has the specs of what are now entry level phones.

This is true but really we are talking about a 6 month window. If the HTC One S came out a year ago it would be a beast of a phone but because we want the best phone on the market to stroke our egos the One S now doesn't measure up.

Yet in the real world of day to day use the HTC One S would be more than enough horsepower for most people. I haven't seen how it would compare to the Gnex or iphone 4s but I would bet it would be comparable. I do know that it is much faster than my SGS2 which still does everything I need it to.

I think we need to just stop measuring benchmarks and splitting hairs so much. Try a HTC One S for a month. If you find that it doesn't measure up then return it for something else. It's like comparing TVs with everyone now, yet if you don't have the 2 TVs set up side by side you can't really tell the difference.

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[mcantu]

i think something the size of the One S and Razr M with slightly better specs (dual core Snapdragon, 2 GB RAM, 16/32 GB storage, 720p) that was advertised as much as the larger 'flagship' phones would do well

i think we do ourselves a disservice by constantly comparing benchmarks that bear little to no resemblance to what a users experience with a phone is...