Why can't we get top specs in a normal Size???

[nrm5110]

With my wifes iphone I hit like 3 buttons at once I got decent sized hands as for pockets my skyrocket fits perfectly into pants, coats, even breast pockets on my work shirts so I see no problems

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[RicanMedic78]

Big phones are not balanced and do not provide the best mobile experience for those on the go. This is what I mean by "less."

You really believe that out of the millions of iphone users out there, and the majority don't like the fact that the phone remains compact???? You think all these customers are just fan boys attached to the ios ecosystem? You think all those "new" iphone adopters out there never cared about design, mobility, and practicality when they held the iphone 5 in the store?

It's funny cuz when rim was going down the tube, people fought the same way about their stubborn opinions and sure enough, look at rim today. I know what I'm talking about here. There is a HUGE group that Want smaller high end phones... And they're going to Apple to fill that need! It has nothing to do with ecosystem. It's taste. And it's common sense not to want to walk around with a vcr hanging from your side. Some people actually believe that a phone is still a phone first, and a media device second. Not a strange concept no matter how much u think it is.

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[badbrad17]

I get your point but that is only your opinion. Many more people are going to Android for larger screens. Android is constantly stealing the RIM users and iPhone users as well. Why do you think Apple increased the size of the iPhone 5? If the 4s was perfect then why change? I think that if their ecosystem could have supported an even larger screen then they probably would have gone even bigger, but they couldn't because their apps don't scale.

The reality of it is there is a limit to how big a phone can get before it's a tablet. 4.8 is too big for some but normal and accepted by others. I personally don't think I could have a Galaxy note 2 as it's just too big. I don't even know anyone who has one. But sales prove otherwise. They expect to sell 20 million or more before Christmas. Those are big numbers.

If phone size is that important and you are not willing to get a phone like the HTC One S that isn't the top of the line but still has great specs then the iPhone may be your only option but for me Android is what I need in a phone. The trade off just isn't worth it no matter how perfect the hardware specs are.

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[RicanMedic78]

I get your point but that is only your opinion. Many more people are going to Android for larger screens. Android is constantly stealing the RIM users and iPhone users as well. Why do you think Apple increased the size of the iPhone 5? If the 4s was perfect then why change? I think that if their ecosystem could have supported an even larger screen then they probably would have gone even bigger, but they couldn't because their apps don't scale.

Very simple answer. 3.5 is too small for the right balance. 4 to 4.3 may be the sweet spot. Its as simple as that. 4.7+ is totally impractical for those that want more mobility.

Another point... This is probably why the ipad sells so well. There's a need for a large yet still somewhat mobile full function media device if you own an iphone. With these android monsters, you can't really have an successful tablet market because the phone functions as both tablet and phone. Even me, with my droid incredible 2, i find myself using my phone more than my Nexus 7. Typing is actually more efficient with less mistakes and the viewing benefit is pretty much the same (unless you have impaired vision). The only area where a tablet size has its benefits is in the area of video/media. And to be honest, as much as i enjoy Netflix, youtube, hbo go, and even an occasional game, or movie, etc, a phone should be a phone first. And most of those media things are just plain ol better on a tv no matter how big you make a device.

Plus, I'm still getting use to the super phones of 2 years ago... You know... The 4.3in super phones that used to be the monsters wayyyy back then in 2010/11 (sarcasm)...



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[RicanMedic78]

If phone size is that important and you are not willing to get a phone like the HTC One S that isn't the top of the line but still has great specs then the iPhone may be your only option but for me Android is what I need in a phone. The trade off just isn't worth it no matter how perfect the hardware specs are.

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And that's a shame in an ecosystem that advertises choice over the competition (Apple)....

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[mcantu]

this was posted on AC a while back.

i think the reason that 4.3" devices looked/felt so large when they first came out is because they had a wider aspect ratio. with the move to a 16:9 aspect ratio, screens are longer but not as wide

 

[cormaster628]

Yeah to me if it's called a gs3 mini it should have identical specs in a smaller size!

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[NoYankees44]

Sorry I disagree 100%. A bigger screen has many benefits. It is not a negative in any way for most people. There is definitely a limit but being able to see things bigger and to have a larger touch area is all good for most people. Some want smaller which is fine. But android manufacturers aren't only making big devices. They are making small ones too so this logic makes no sense. The new parts are getting smaller not bigger so fitting them in to a bigger or smaller device is not the issue.

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1. I want the screen to be as large as possible, but the device to be small. It's got nothing to do will the actual screen size. Just want a reasonably sized device with top tier specs.

2. Name ONE device out or coming out that has less than a 4.5" screen that can match(or even be similar) the one x or s3 performance.

O and everyone else, let's stop comparing to the iphone. It's a good size comparison, but we are talking about android here and not ios.

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[RicanMedic78]

Sorry I disagree 100%. A bigger screen has many benefits. It is not a negative in any way for most people. There is definitely a limit but being able to see things bigger and to have a larger touch area is all good for most people. Some want smaller which is fine. But android manufacturers aren't only making big devices. They are making small ones too so this logic makes no sense. The new parts are getting smaller not bigger so fitting them in to a bigger or smaller device is not the issue.

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you're obviously not understanding the intention of this thread. No one is saying there are no small android devices. We are saying that there are no small android devices with top tier specs like their big brothers have.

 

[RicanMedic78]

O and everyone else, let's stop comparing to the iphone. It's a good size comparison, but we are talking about android here and not ios.

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the iphone is very relevant in this discussion. It speaks to the success of a 3.5 to 4in device with top of the line specs and how successful it is compared to android. The ios customer is the very same customer that can switch to android at any time and his or her desires as a customer is very relevant to this discussion. The notion that everyone on ios must be married to the ecosystem apple provides is ridiculous and is simply just a cop out argument to justify the argument that a 4in screen is not popular. The argument you make is that android customers love their big devices even tho there are no options for small high end... and apple users on the other hand are just DEALING "with resistence" what Apple is dishing out to them! That's an amazingly silly argument to make.

The real fact is that there are just as many customers that want small high end as there are customers that want big high end! Its as simple as that. And once OEMs realize this market, you will see the change. And honestly, its moving in that direction anyway, granted, not as fast as we'd like. But the chatter is there, the S3 mini is out, the razr M is out, the incredible 4g is out.... I think a high end mini may be out in a year at the very least. I could be wrong but the one thing is for sure, there is definitely a need for it. The debate here is how much of a need there really is and this is where the disagreement lies. And since no manufacturer has truly made a high end device in a small package, it's an untapped category within Android. Every small device that has been brought to fruitation of has not had the build quality, attention to detail, and the spec quality of their high end brothers.

 

[badbrad17]

you're obviously not understanding the intention of this thread. No one is saying there are no small android devices. We are saying that there are no small android devices with top tier specs like their big brothers have.

But the HTC One S is very close to top tier in fact there are very few phones that compete with it. The only difference between it and the one X in the us model is the screen type, a little less storage and NFC. The iphone doesn't have NFC and the screen is still super Amoled so at the end of the day you have the exact phone you are asking for. The reality is that any device we buy is dead in the water the minute it walks out the door so specs are irrelevant. Apple has been selling this logic for years.

I stand by what I said before. The one S is the best choice and is a very powerful contender.

Here's the comparison between the one X. http://m.engadget.com/2012/04/05/htc-one-x-vs-one-s/

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[badbrad17]

And that's a shame in an ecosystem that advertises choice over the competition (Apple)....

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Really? Android gets criticism for having too many choices and now gets criticism for not having enough. Do a reversal on this logic with Apple. You get 2 options. Small or smaller. That's it. Android has a phone that is suitable for anyone. What is it about the One S that doesn't work? This is the phone everyone is asking for. The bezel is smaller so it feels way smaller in your hand compared to my SGS2. It has all the horsepower you need. Nuff said.

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[RicanMedic78]

Really? Android gets criticism for having too many choices and now gets criticism for not having enough. Do a reversal on this logic with Apple. You get 2 options. Small or smaller. That's it. Android has a phone that is suitable for anyone. What is it about the One S that doesn't work? This is the phone everyone is asking for. The bezel is smaller so it feels way smaller in your hand compared to my SGS2. It has all the horsepower you need. Nuff said.

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With Apple you get small and smaller, your right.... and they sell millions and millions as a result of that and other factors as well. The problem is not that these smaller Android phones are not capable. The Inc4g is plenty capable as well at 4in. The problem is that they still manage to dramatically reduce specs and thus reduce the value to consumers. When you look at the spec list from the comparison review that you posted, every single spec from camera to battery to screen res to NFC is all downgraded simply because of screen size! You fail to see this. And customers see or hear about it and take from it that the manufacture does not stand behind this product as it does the big boys. And you alienate customers and a lot of them flock to iphone or accept the big devices, or stay resilient and buy the smaller ones with less specs. Lets not forget too... these phones are usually subsidized on 2 year contracts.... no one wants a phone thats outdated at purchase. 2 years is a long long time to be dealing with outdated or sub par specs. The One x is capable, but so is the new galaxy S3mini... so if the Razr M, so is the Droid Inc4g... thats completely and utterly not the point in this discussion. If capable was the new acceptable, then there would not be a spec race at all within the mobile phone community as a whole.

 

[mcantu]

Really? Android gets criticism for having too many choices and now gets criticism for not having enough. Do a reversal on this logic with Apple. You get 2 options. Small or smaller. That's it. Android has a phone that is suitable for anyone. What is it about the One S that doesn't work? This is the phone everyone is asking for. The bezel is smaller so it feels way smaller in your hand compared to my SGS2. It has all the horsepower you need. Nuff said.

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but what if you arent one of the few people (relative to how many are on other carriers) that are on T-Mobile? the One S simply isnt available to a large portion of US Android users. this is another thing that bothers me about the Android market. if Apple can have the same iphone on multiple carriers under the same brand, why cant others? the closest so far is Samsung and the S3 but this still leads to a very confused, fragmented market. it would be great if the One S and Razr M were sold by all carriers. the carriers seem to want unique branding for the models they carry but is this really the best way to go? it seems that people knowing what phone/capabilities there are getting under one brand (iphone) is superior to dozens of model names that cycle through every 6 months

 

[badbrad17]

With Apple you get small and smaller, your right.... and they sell millions and millions as a result of that and other factors as well. The problem is not that these smaller Android phones are not capable. The Inc4g is plenty capable as well at 4in. The problem is that they still manage to dramatically reduce specs and thus reduce the value to consumers. When you look at the spec list from the comparison review that you posted, every single spec from camera to battery to screen res to NFC is all downgraded simply because of screen size! You fail to see this. And customers see or hear about it and take from it that the manufacture does not stand behind this product as it does the big boys. And you alienate customers and a lot of them flock to iphone or accept the big devices, or stay resilient and buy the smaller ones with less specs. Lets not forget too... these phones are usually subsidized on 2 year contracts.... no one wants a phone thats outdated at purchase. 2 years is a long long time to be dealing with outdated or sub par specs. The One x is capable, but so is the new galaxy S3mini... so if the Razr M, so is the Droid Inc4g... thats completely and utterly not the point in this discussion. If capable was the new acceptable, then there would not be a spec race at all within the mobile phone community as a whole.

Point taken and I do see the difference between the x and s phones. But I am looking more at a phone that fits in what is available. The current Nexus phone is still considered by many to be one if not the best Android phone out there yet it doesn't compare specs wise to the one S. I think it has to come down to function more than specs.

The debate may be moot. I hope the manufacturers are reading this and can do better in finding the sweet spot.

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[badbrad17]

but what if you arent one of the few people (relative to how many are on other carriers) that are on T-Mobile? the One S simply isnt available to a large portion of US Android users. this is another thing that bothers me about the Android market. if Apple can have the same iphone on multiple carriers under the same brand, why cant others? the closest so far is Samsung and the S3 but this still leads to a very confused, fragmented market. it would be great if the One S and Razr M were sold by all carriers. the carriers seem to want unique branding for the models they carry but is this really the best way to go? it seems that people knowing what phone/capabilities there are getting under one brand (iphone) is superior to dozens of model names that cycle through every 6 months

Ya this is a problem. I live in Canada so we have better selection sometimes. But the biggest sellers are always going to get the limelight. I would be interested in knowing how well the one S has sold. If it hasn't then I am not sure htc will care about trying to continue in this size. I know what you will say... "if they put the One x into the one S size it would sell better. This may be true.

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[nrm5110]

but what if you arent one of the few people (relative to how many are on other carriers) that are on T-Mobile? the One S simply isnt available to a large portion of US Android users. this is another thing that bothers me about the Android market. if Apple can have the same iphone on multiple carriers under the same brand, why cant others? the closest so far is Samsung and the S3 but this still leads to a very confused, fragmented market. it would be great if the One S and Razr M were sold by all carriers. the carriers seem to want unique branding for the models they carry but is this really the best way to go? it seems that people knowing what phone/capabilities there are getting under one brand (iphone) is superior to dozens of model names that cycle through every 6 months

Wtf are you talking about fragmented the only difference in the s3 is radios everything else is exactly the same. As for this argument you all assume that these "millions" of consumers give a flying **** about specs again spec and tech aware are a tiny tiny market compared to herp derp I need a cool smartphone we all know 3/4 of these people are normal consumers who know enought to get on the net and email they dont understand complex computing they dont need 1.5ghz quad core processors and 2gigs ram on their phone they just want a phone you all are a minority accept that you want change talk to oems get these supposed millions that you know who want high end tiny android phones to do the same untill you show me actual numbers proving people think like you your spouting crap for the sake of creating a non existent market so please prove me wrong because I promise a few thousand isnt a market please make my day

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[mcantu]

Wtf are you talking about fragmented the only difference in the s3 is radios everything else is exactly the same. As for this argument you all assume that these "millions" of consumers give a flying **** about specs again spec and tech aware are a tiny tiny market compared to herp derp I need a cool smartphone we all know 3/4 of these people are normal consumers who know enought to get on the net and email they dont understand complex computing they dont need 1.5ghz quad core processors and 2gigs ram on their phone they just want a phone you all are a minority accept that you want change talk to oems get these supposed millions that you know who want high end tiny android phones to do the same untill you show me actual numbers proving people think like you your spouting crap for the sake of creating a non existent market so please prove me wrong because I promise a few thousand isnt a market please make my day

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i think you misunderstood me. i was saying that the S3 is an example of successfully making available the same phone on multiple carriers.

 

[bp3dots]

the iphone is very relevant in this discussion. It speaks to the success of a 3.5 to 4in device with top of the line specs and how successful it is compared to android. The ios customer is the very same customer that can switch to android at any time and his or her desires as a customer is very relevant to this discussion. The notion that everyone on ios must be married to the ecosystem apple provides is ridiculous and is simply just a cop out argument to justify the argument that a 4in screen is not popular.

It's not easy for a lot of customers to leave Apple. I think you're underestimating the size of their ecosystem. Itunes music can be hundreds or thousands of dollars, accessories are the same way, hell, people even have Apple specific hookups in cars. These are things I hear in the business of selling phones regularly. That's why Apple customers are so pissed about the new dock, they will have to spend even more to keep using their current add-ons. (And that adds even more attachment to Apple once they've spent the extra)

The real fact is that there are just as many customers that want small high end as there are customers that want big high end! Its as simple as that. And once OEMs realize this market, you will see the change. And honestly, its moving in that direction anyway, granted, not as fast as we'd like. But the chatter is there, the S3 mini is out, the razr M is out, the incredible 4g is out.... I think a high end mini may be out in a year at the very least. I could be wrong but the one thing is for sure, there is definitely a need for it. The debate here is how much of a need there really is and this is where the disagreement lies. And since no manufacturer has truly made a high end device in a small package, it's an untapped category within Android. Every small device that has been brought to fruitation of has not had the build quality, attention to detail, and the spec quality of their high end brothers.

All of this is speculation and your opinion. You'd be nuts to think Android OEM's haven't done their homework before investing millions upon millions in R&D, production, shipping, marketing, etc on these new phones. Yes, there is a market for smaller phones, and they clearly don't think that market is looking for top end specs in enough quantity to justify selling them. That's why the S3 Mini and the RAZR M didn't come with the same setups as their bigger counterparts. The OEM's are putting out excellent small phones, that will be great for the vast majority of consumers. The ones who never come to places like this, and who don't give a damn about a 1.5 quad core vs a 1.2 dual core, as long as Facebook and Instagram work. If every single person on this site was screaming for bleeding edge spec'd 4 inch phones, it still wouldn't be more than a drop in the ocean of the Android market.

 

[bp3dots]

And that's a shame in an ecosystem that advertises choice over the competition (Apple)....

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There is a limit to how much choice you can actually have in every market. Unless you are picking your parts individually and assembling your device yourself, you will always have limits. I would love a HTC body, with Moto radios and battery, Nokia Pureview camera, and totally stock Android software. It's not going to happen. *Shrug*

Android and their OEM's give the most choice of any phone OS in the world, and there is still never going to be the perfect device for everyone.