Why can't we get top specs in a normal Size???

[The Real X Dawg]

I think the iPhone success speaks for itself and that alone to me makes it worth the risk. As I said before, it hasn't been done yet, and all these ideas about smaller high spec phones not selling, have no proof to back it up. Its an untouched segment, and the first manufacturer to tap into it is risking having a huge hit on their hands. Personally, I think HTC is the company to try it first. a true top spec one x in a small edge to edge housing and at most, a 4 to 4.3in screen. I think that'll put them back on the map.

After all, Apple's done tons of research to know that enough ppl like one handed use. So whoever said apple doesn't do research is sadly mistaken. Their mission to keep a tight form factor has a lot of research behind it.

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Apple is a different beast all together. There is only the iPhone except for the iPhone 5 it's 3.5" or go another OS. Apple could come up with the iPhone 5+ at 4.5" and I'm certain that phone will fly off the shelves just as well as the standard iPhone.

Also for the most part only the nerds care about specs to the point it will influence their choice. My friend only bought the One X because she wanted the Beats Audio and large screen. That thing could have a single core running Froyo far all she cares.

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[RicanMedic78]

How are u certain an iphone at 4.7in will fly off the shelves??? How do u know what the iphone customer wants??? Sounds like ur adding ur own biases to your opinion since u have no proof or research that this would be the case.

As of right now, the only proof we have is that the iphone comes in 3.5in and now 4in and it IS successful. Iphone users have always had the option to switch to a droid if they really wanted a big device, but they didn't! And the iphone continues to be the best selling single model phone in history with its small screen. Every other hypothetical about how a large screen iphone would sell is just a guess, and likely a bias guess

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[Dave_k605]

Some people have tiny hands (like my wife's baby hands) and can't handle the large screens

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It would be fun to watch her handle my....












Galaxy note.

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[YourMobileGuru]

How are u certain an iphone at 4.7in will fly off the shelves??? How do u know what the iphone customer wants??? Sounds like ur adding ur own biases to your opinion since u have no proof or research that this would be the case.

As of right now, the only proof we have is that the iphone comes in 3.5in and now 4in and it IS successful. Iphone users have always had the option to switch to a droid if they really wanted a big device, but they didn't! And the iphone continues to be the best selling single model phone in history with its small screen. Every other hypothetical about how a large screen iphone would sell is just a guess, and likely a bias guess

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The one her with the biases is you. You start a thread asking why what you want isn't available and several of us in the business tell you but you don't want to believe us. That's your choice of course but sales speak for themselves iPhone 5 has outsold the iPhone 4S just as it was expected to. The number one selling Android phone right now is the Galaxy S III and most of the best selling phones out right now have large screens. Moderate to high specked phones with small screens sit on the shelves.

I'm sorry we dont have any actual studies to show you but somehow i suspect even if we did you would find some reason to not believe them. That's your right of course but in the end it's not going to change anything.

 

[cyanogen-man]

Geeks are usually men men usually have big hands big hands mean bigger screens I can hold the note in my hand and only have 1 inch showing little phones are garbage to me too damn tiny mostly women love the I phone BC its small so where the bigger market share is that's where they will put the more high end stuff plus bigger processor for better graoix more room plus bigger battery see where I'm going with this??

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[The Real X Dawg]

How are u certain an iphone at 4.7in will fly off the shelves??? How do u know what the iphone customer wants??? Sounds like ur adding ur own biases to your opinion since u have no proof or research that this would be the case.

As of right now, the only proof we have is that the iphone comes in 3.5in and now 4in and it IS successful. Iphone users have always had the option to switch to a droid if they really wanted a big device, but they didn't! And the iphone continues to be the best selling single model phone in history with its small screen. Every other hypothetical about how a large screen iphone would sell is just a guess, and likely a bias guess

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There's no choice for a larger phone if you want to remain within Apple's ecosystem. There is far more to it than just screen size and a stat sheet, some people like the ease and feel of Apple's OS and will gladly sacrifice size for that alone.

And since there is not a larger version of their iphone, you are assuming just as much about the popularity of a smaller Android with top of the line stats.

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[RicanMedic78]

There's no choice for a larger phone if you want to remain within Apple's ecosystem. There is far more to it than just screen size and a stat sheet, some people like the ease and feel of Apple's OS and will gladly sacrifice size for that alone.

And since there is not a larger version of their iphone, you are assuming just as much about the popularity of a smaller Android with top of the line stats.

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Actually that is incorrect. Proof is what is currently happening with ios. Its small, it sells. This market group has the option to go larger in Android, but they don't.

Granted, it kind of works the same for Android, i give it that. But the difference is that success of the large devices is much less when you only factor in the large devices verses ios, where every customer is on a 3.5 and now 4in screen. With android, when u factor in every model and every manufacturer, that will tell you a lot. If you directly compare sales of the s3 or 4.7in Devices alone against ios, hands down, its not even comparable. ios is much more popular with its small screen by a land slide nationally.

And as I keep saying, what i spesk of hasn't been tried yet in android at all.its a completely missing segment. No one has made a droid to directly compete with iphone because they always lower specs. So whatever has come out, if the sales aren't on parr, its not because of size, its because of lessor specs.

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[rexxman]

No one can say market research says that people only want big phones. And anyway, Its not like their market research is always right! If it was, then no one would ever invent anything or create a new nitch product. My point from this thread is that something obvious is missing here. And it seems like Apple is the only one capitolizing on it! If a galaxy s sold very well 2 years ago, and they never tried top specs in that size again, u can't talk about market research, especially when u see how many millions gravitate to 4in iphones! That alone tells u that people devices u can hold more practically.

Its common sense just to say that high end in a small size without reducing specs and quality is really missing from the Android portfolio. That's all that's being said here...

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I like the big screens but I support your wish for a killer spec'd device in a smaller screen and/or body size. It's not what I want (Note2) but I respect your need.

I am a bit surprised by some of the comments in this thread. Folks always talk about Android = 'choice'.

Make your wish known to the mfgs.

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[Jaycemiskel]

I like the big screens but I support your wish for a killer spec'd device in a smaller screen and/or body size. It's not what I want (Note2) but I respect your need.

I am a bit surprised by some of the comments in this thread. Folks always talk about Android = 'choice'.

Make your wish known to the mfgs.

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I'm sure manufacturers know there's a niche market for this but they obviously don't think it's worth it. I hope he gets what he wants but I doubt he gets it. That's all I'm saying.




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[nrm5110]

Actually that is incorrect. Proof is what is currently happening with ios. Its small, it sells. This market group has the option to go larger in Android, but they don't.

Granted, it kind of works the same for Android, i give it that. But the difference is that success of the large devices is much less when you only factor in the large devices verses ios, where every customer is on a 3.5 and now 4in screen. With android, when u factor in every model and every manufacturer, that will tell you a lot. If you directly compare sales of the s3 or 4.7in Devices alone against ios, hands down, its not even comparable. ios is much more popular with its small screen by a land slide nationally.

And as I keep saying, what i spesk of hasn't been tried yet in android at all.its a completely missing segment. No one has made a droid to directly compete with iphone because they always lower specs. So whatever has come out, if the sales aren't on parr, its not because of size, its because of lessor specs.

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We are saying if people want to stick to iOS which a lot of people do they have no options as many iOS users feel android is "complicated" until apple puts up multiple screen sizes of the same phone you will never know what that market would choose as you can't just say oh it fact because they could switch android if they wanted bigger screens to many its not just about the screen size to many until a large part of the ANDROID market begs for smaller screens with high specs it probably won't happen

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[iN8ter]

We are saying if people want to stick to iOS which a lot of people do they have no options as many iOS users feel android is "complicated" until apple puts up multiple screen sizes of the same phone you will never know what that market would choose as you can't just say oh it fact because they could switch android if they wanted bigger screens to many its not just about the screen size to many until a large part of the ANDROID market begs for smaller screens with high specs it probably won't happen

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A lot of people stick with iOS due to ecosystem lockin. Since a majority of Android users barely pay for apps they can use almost whatever OS they choose. iOS users are not so fickle, and neither are Windows Phone users since Microsoft's ecosystem is set up similarly to Android (and has always been that way).

However, a lot of people I know simply won't touch an Android phone due to how big the high end phones are. These are people that barely use their phones for much more than Texting and the occassional browsing, but they won't touch it cause they don't like having to stuff anything that big into their jeans and don't like feeling like they're going to drop their phone whenever they pick it up.

The Galaxy S2/Skyrocket wasn't spec equivalent with something like the Rezound in the US. The Rezound was a better phone with a better screen and for most people the SoC difference (granted only two variants in the US used Exynos, whose benchmarks were padded by that low WVGA screen resolution while most S3/OMAP/Tegra II devices were pushing qHD displays and moving on to 720p back then) didn't matter at all.

As for the Infuse and GS2.

What you're saying is intellectually dishonest in that the Infuse was flying off the Shelves for the same reason the Vivids are flying off the Shelves at AT&T right now (yes, they are selling a lot of them, I could barely find one when I got mine). It's was released 7-8 months before the AT&T GS2, and 10-11 months before the Skyrocket/Vivid/Nitro HD. By the time those phones came out the Infuse cost half as much as they did. People will buy cheap phones because they can't afford a bigger phone. They have other bills to pay. Saving $100-150 on the subsidy matters, and anyone who bought an Infuse over a GS2, Skyrocket, Atrix 4G, Atrix 2, Vivid, or Nitro HD probably didn't even care about specs so that's a bit of a non-factor discussion to have.

On the flip side, the iPhone 4 8GB and iPhone 3GS 8GB were both easily outselling the Infuse on AT&T, independently, even with lower comparative specs and puny screens by comparison. The 3GS only has HVGA resolution, even, with a camera that wasn't good at all by then.

Informed users avoided the later TW3.0 devices because that skin was the buggiest thing I've ever seen, and informed users were skeptical of Samsung at that timeframe due to the GS being the buggiest flagship smartphone to ship, ever, and the constant update debacles.

 

[iN8ter]

We are saying if people want to stick to iOS which a lot of people do they have no options as many iOS users feel android is "complicated" until apple puts up multiple screen sizes of the same phone you will never know what that market would choose as you can't just say oh it fact because they could switch android if they wanted bigger screens to many its not just about the screen size to many until a large part of the ANDROID market begs for smaller screens with high specs it probably won't happen

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Well they have options now. 3.5 with the 4 or 4S or 4" with the 5. In either case, being able to get your thumb across the screen is important especially with the way Google designed many of their apps.

Examples:

Menu and Reply soft-keys in Gmail App
Soft Buttons to start a video chat in Google Talk
Compass button in Maps.
Bookmark buttons in most Stock Browsers, Tab Button on Samsung Stock Browser
Add Feeds in Google Reader, Refresh as well for small hands on taller devices
Search in YouTube, Play Music, Play Books, Play Store, Google Drive
Camera launch button in the gallery on my phone

That's all Google apps. I'm totally ignoring the ones I uninstalled/disabled, and I'm only talking about Upper right side of the screen. I'm totally ignoring those on the lower right side of the screen that cause issues cause reaching that far while using the device one handed causes you to hit soft buttons or stuff on the screen trying to get there... I'm also ignoring third party apps, and there are tons of examples. Those are all things that can cause someone to go from one handed to two handed use, or simply make them quit and defer what they needed to do until later because their other hand is not available to use to help secure the device and accomplish the task.

Yes, people like big screens for wasting their time on YouTube and watching movies on their phone (Lol), but from a productivity standpoint they're pretty bad except if you have huge hands in which case yes you probably should get and use a big phone.

I don't think I know anyone with a phone that has a screen bigger than 4.3" except me. And their phones aren't as proportionately wide as the typical Samsung handset (like say, a Skyrocket or T-Mobile/Sprint GS2).

 

[The Real X Dawg]

Actually that is incorrect. Proof is what is currently happening with ios. Its small, it sells. This market group has the option to go larger in Android, but they don't.

Granted, it kind of works the same for Android, i give it that. But the difference is that success of the large devices is much less when you only factor in the large devices verses ios, where every customer is on a 3.5 and now 4in screen. With android, when u factor in every model and every manufacturer, that will tell you a lot. If you directly compare sales of the s3 or 4.7in Devices alone against ios, hands down, its not even comparable. ios is much more popular with its small screen by a land slide nationally.

And as I keep saying, what i spesk of hasn't been tried yet in android at all.its a completely missing segment. No one has made a droid to directly compete with iphone because they always lower specs. So whatever has come out, if the sales aren't on parr, its not because of size, its because of lessor specs.

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How many times it must be repeated that if you want to remain within Apple's ecosystem there is no other choice?

You may not be wrong but you are incomplete. Size is only one factor here, there's ecosystem, performance, features, price and style to consider.

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[Mellimel22]

Razr M is qHD screen IIRC and it's on Verizon. If the screen is anything like the Razr/Maxx then I sure as hell won't want to touch it.

Seems like the only chance for a decent device that isn't oversized is to go iOS or wait for BB10 devices to launch, since the smaller Android and WP8 devices all seem like they're going to be crippled compared to the larger ones (screen resolution/PPI, internal storage, and other specs).

I have a skyrocket and it's impossible to use one handed. I've already dropped the phone twice trying to reach for something with my thumb.

I can't wait to move to something smaller without having to sacrifice power, and apparently Android and WP8 aren't even trying to really attack that market (heavy users who want a smaller device) so I'll have to bounce.

The skyrocket is the same size as my epic and I can hold it one handed just fine and I'm 5' 7

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[nrm5110]

The skyrocket is the same size as my epic and I can hold it one handed just fine and I'm 5' 7

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Don't bother I purposely ignore this guy as he makes really bad arguments sidestepping points or missing them altogether

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[rexxman]

I think there is demand for a top spec device with a smaller display. Will any mfg take that risk?

Come on Samsung. Make the rumored S3 Mini equal spec wise to the S3. Apple has shown that one size fits all a poor strategy.

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[RicanMedic78]

How many times it must be repeated that if you want to remain within Apple's ecosystem there is no other choice?

You may not be wrong but you are incomplete. Size is only one factor here, there's ecosystem, performance, features, price and style to consider.

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Again, I don't deny that. But out of everything we know, there's nothing that proves smaller high end android devices won't sell. That's a fact that u conveniently ignore. On the other hand, there may be a multitude of factors that keep people in the ios ecosystem... But one thing is for sure, 3.5 and 4in devices ARE selling. And that's about the only fact that we know for sure.

When HTC made the ONE series, they chose to not only design the v differently, but they also dropped the specs so far low, that it became an "affordable" alternative if you're on a budget. The media is not going to latch on to that concept and run with it. So what happened? The X and S got all the attention and no one gave a damn about the one v. If they all would of been ONE S devices in different sizes, we would have definitely saw a difference in sales and popularity..... Imho of course

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[The Real X Dawg]

I never said smaller Androids can't sell. I said basically the exact same thing in all my posts, size is just one of many factors behind sales. Small Androids will suffer from the same issues as their larger brothers.

A miniature S3 would be cool to see for people who likes smaller phones but who knows if it will catch on or flop. No different than a large iphone, it could be a hit or a bust. Personally I would like to see both happen . More high tech toys to play with.

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[RicanMedic78]

That's sort of the nature of having such a fragmented ecosystem. Choice is good... But for this, it seems like there is no choice. Smaller means cheaper inside and out. And that is very unfortunate.

On that note...
I don't like the frame of the razr m, however, they are definitely on to something with their 4.3 edge to edge design. Give that phone a maxx hd housing, specs, battery, and keep the 4.3in screen and i would have been a very happy guy. Guess its back to waiting on the sidelines again with my droid incredible 2.

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[badbrad17]

Some people have tiny hands (like my wife's baby hands) and can't handle the large screens

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The HTC One S is a great phone with a smaller size. It may not be the very top end but still a good choice. I think that the numbers are what dictate what they will produce. Most people want bigger so that is where the market is going.

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