Why can't we get top specs in a normal Size???

[mcantu]

You missed the point clearly there isn't a big enough market of people who want high end small phones

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it seems that your rationale for this is something along the lines of, 'because OEMs would make them if there were a big enough market.'

think about it...when a typical consumer goes into a store and asks for the 'newest' or the 'best' Android phone they are going to be shown something like an S3, Note 2, etc., because those are the only options for 'best.'

look at the S3 Mini announcement...every single review i have read says what a let down it was that it was such a neutered device. if there were no market for high end specs in smaller form factor then why the disappointment? also, the potential market doesnt have to be huge or even majority of buyers...

 

[badbrad17]

it seems that your rationale for this is something along the lines of, 'because OEMs would make them if there were a big enough market.'

think about it...when a typical consumer goes into a store and asks for the 'newest' or the 'best' Android phone they are going to be shown something like an S3, Note 2, etc., because those are the only options for 'best.'

look at the S3 Mini announcement...every single review i have read says what a let down it was that it was such a neutered device. if there were no market for high end specs in smaller form factor then why the disappointment? also, the potential market doesnt have to be huge or even majority of buyers...

Then they could be directed to the One S or Razr M. If size is so important these phones should still be very popular but they aren't.

We are all repeating ourselves.

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[nrm5110]

People were disappointed because it had the s3 name on it had it been given another name it would have been a great mid range phone

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[Convert2]

The AT&T Atrix HD is also an excellent speedy phone. We use it as our AT&T demo model at work.

I looked at the Atrix HD and liked it, but it is still too large, has too much bezel. Even with its 4.5" screen, it is still as large as the superior HTC One X with the 4.7" screen.

 

[Convert2]

^^^^ completely missed the point of this post.

The point is THERE AREN'T ANY high end top specs in a smaller size!

My wife wants one because she has tiny hands but the market ignores her.

She was excited hearing about the galaxy s 3 mini, but then they ruined it by dropping the specs. Should have simply kept the exact same specs except screen size



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Samsung stated from it's research "there's a lot of demand for a 4-inch device in Europe." They created the GS III Mini to meet that demand. It is indisputable that there exists a demand for mid-sized devices. What is disputable is whether the manufacturers can build such devices with high end specs at a price point that can make a profit.

There do exist some top quality mid-sized phones out there e.g. iPhone (non-Android however), Razr M, HTC One S, but not enough across all carriers to meet demand. And it seems that most newer mid-sized offerings are being released in European and Asian markets.

 

[mcantu]

i think it may boil down to profit margins. OEMs can put a huge mark-up on devices they brand as 'flagship' models. for example, an off-contract 16GB S3 is about $530 while a 16 GB GN7 is $250--even allowing for addition of a speaker, mic and 3G/LTE radios, thats a huge price difference when the GN7 has a 45% larger IPS screen vs the pentile glass on the S3. yes some may say that its an apple to oranges comparison but its really not since the internals on Android phones and tablets are basically the same

 

[RicanMedic78]

Then they could be directed to the One S or Razr M. If size is so important these phones should still be very popular but they aren't.

We are all repeating ourselves.

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Again, the M and the One S are not top of the line flagships like people want. That is a major factor that you conveniently dismiss over and over for reasons that appear as if you're hoping they don't make a smaller flagship. I fail to understand why that is if you have absolutely no idea how big the 4in market still is. This 4.8in generation of phones just started yesterday. To think that the market has already converted is ridiculous. Its like looking at a shirt and how it fits. U can clearly say, "u know what, that shirt looks too big on you." Same philosophy applies to phones. These phones just look too big and clunky. And for men who like holsters as I do, having a VCR strapped to your side is ridiculous, especially since a lot of us use big otterbox style cases to protect them that make them look even bigger. Its frankly just common sense that smaller works well too for many, that's all.

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[badbrad17]

Again, the M and the One S are not top of the line flagships like people want. That is a major factor that you conveniently dismiss over and over for reasons that appear as if you're hoping they don't make a smaller flagship. I fail to understand why that is if you have absolutely no idea how big the 4in market still is. This 4.8in generation of phones just started yesterday. To think that the market has already converted is ridiculous. Its like looking at a shirt and how it fits. U can clearly say, "u know what, that shirt looks too big on you." Same philosophy applies to phones. These phones just look too big and clunky. And for men who like holsters as I do, having a VCR strapped to your side is ridiculous, especially since a lot of us use big otterbox style cases to protect them that make them look even bigger. Its frankly just common sense that smaller works well too for many, that's all.

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I haven't dismissed it, I am just saying that if size is sooooo important then these phones should sell like mad and they aren't. People buy the Razr Maxx because they want better battery. The screen could be worse than other phones and the specs could even be less than other phones, but they want battery life so they buy the Maxx and it has been successful because of it. Why do you find it so hard to understand what I have said over and over? If size is so important they would sell and they haven't. They are not so under spec'd that people shouldn't want them. It's no different than people buying the i4s when it was still under spec'd compared to the i5.

Beyond that, I hate to bring up the real numbers in lieu of this post, but this is where the rubber hits the road. Samsung sold twice as many smart phones as Apple in Q3
Samsung Smartphone Sales Trumped Apple's iPhone By 2 To 1 In Q3 2012

BOOM! the proof is in the pudding my friend. Samsung has gained a lot of converts in the smartphone market. If size was so important to so many people then Apple should still be on a rampage and the numbers prove otherwise.

 

[badbrad17]

Samsung stated from it's research "there's a lot of demand for a 4-inch device in Europe." They created the GS III Mini to meet that demand. It is indisputable that there exists a demand for mid-sized devices. What is disputable is whether the manufacturers can build such devices with high end specs at a price point that can make a profit.

There do exist some top quality mid-sized phones out there e.g. iPhone (non-Android however), Razr M, HTC One S, but not enough across all carriers to meet demand. And it seems that most newer mid-sized offerings are being released in European and Asian markets.

This is basically what we've been saying all along. There is a demand but not enough of a demand to prove that they should put a ton of money into smaller devices when they just aren't selling as well as the larger phones. Apple isn't just making the i% because they want to keep it smaller. They are limited in how their apps can scale to larger sizes due to the way their ecosystem was originally designed. This is a much different issue. I bet if they could offer a good 4.5 inch device they would do it tomorrow, but their apps don't scale like Android so they are in a pickle to some degree.

 

[The Real X Dawg]

Again, the M and the One S are not top of the line flagships like people want. That is a major factor that you conveniently dismiss over and over for reasons that appear as if you're hoping they don't make a smaller flagship. I fail to understand why that is if you have absolutely no idea how big the 4in market still is. This 4.8in generation of phones just started yesterday. To think that the market has already converted is ridiculous. Its like looking at a shirt and how it fits. U can clearly say, "u know what, that shirt looks too big on you." Same philosophy applies to phones. These phones just look too big and clunky. And for men who like holsters as I do, having a VCR strapped to your side is ridiculous, especially since a lot of us use big otterbox style cases to protect them that make them look even bigger. Its frankly just common sense that smaller works well too for many, that's all.

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HTC One S vs Motorola DROID RAZR M vs Samsung Galaxy S III AT&T - Phone specs comparison

I'm trying to find the issue with the specs here.

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[nrm5110]

HTC One S vs Motorola DROID RAZR M vs Samsung Galaxy S III AT&T - Phone specs comparison

I'm trying to find the issue with the specs here.

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Lol ram aside looks about the same to me

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[mcantu]

yeah, thats the Android product cycle for you...the high end specs of 6 months ago are todays mid-level specs

'high end' specs today are a quad-core cpu, 2 GB RAM, 720p screen, 32/64 GB storage

 

[nrm5110]

yeah, thats the Android product cycle for you...the high end specs of 6 months ago are todays mid-level specs

'high end' specs today are a quad-core cpu, 2 GB RAM, 720p screen, 32/64 GB storage

And 2 whole released phones have that worldwide assuming the optimus g is out somewhere

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[mcantu]

And 2 whole released phones have that worldwide assuming the optimus g is out somewhere

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yes, because we are that that time of the year when the next cycle of handsets is being announced...

 

[nrm5110]

yes, because we are that that time of the year when the next cycle of handsets is being announced...

I know but those phones are still really nice the are better processors than my skyrocket I mean jeez

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[mcantu]

I know but those phones are still really nice the are better processors than my skyrocket I mean jeez

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oh absolutely. if the Razr M were a Nexus phone, i would snap it up in a second and never look back...

 

[The Real X Dawg]

Samsung Infuse 4G vs Samsung GALAXY Note II AT&T - Phone specs comparison

XD I am getting a huge upgrade come Christmas.


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[badbrad17]

I think that we win this debate. Just based on facts and sales figures.

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[canesfan44]

You are talking about smartphone nerds my friend; to Joe and Jane consumer yes thin DOES matter I have seen it again. The thinnexx was a huge factor in how well the RAZR, Infuse, and Galaxy S 2 and 3 have sold.

While we do get people who complain about battery life, with only a couple exceptions, I have rarely had anyone actually ask about battery life on a phone during the pre purchase phase.

Those were probably HTC Thunderbolt owners like myself, lol. Thank God anyone can get 3 Chinese spare batteries for less than $5. For my next phone, battery size will be very important.

 

[The Real X Dawg]

Those were probably HTC Thunderbolt owners like myself, lol. Thank God anyone can get 3 Chinese spare batteries for less than $5. For my next phone, battery size will be very important.

There's the Razr Maxx HD.


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