Why do (Android) phones need so many cores?

[Geodude074]

I think you may need to reread my post. It looks like you misinterpreted what I wrote.


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No, I get what you're saying. You don't mind paying twice as much money for a product that has less features and usability, because the few things it can do, it does well.

May I introduce you to a $1500 feature phone I'm selling? All it does is call people and text, but I assure you that you will get a seamless, perfect user experience with it. Much better than what an iPhone has to offer.

 

[Haalcyon]

No, I get what you're saying. You don't mind paying twice as much money for a product that has less features and usability, because the few things it can do, it does well.

May I introduce you to a $1500 feature phone I'm selling? All it does is call people and text, but I assure you that you will get a seamless, perfect user experience with it. Much better than what an iPhone has to offer.

I have a $4K Rolex that does less than a Timex $60 digital. Many cannot understand that, I see absolutely no benefit it trying to make them understand it.

List ALL the things this Nexus 5 phone does that my iPhone does not do. Then tell me why those things are important to me. In this exercise you may begin to see why I do not care about those things. I wanted a simple polished experience out of the box. I also wanted the ability to video chat with friends and family without tell them to use a different solution. I was willing to pay more for it rather than pay less and configure my phone for the experience that I desire.


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[Geodude074]

I have a $4K Rolex that does less than a Timex $60 digital. Many cannot understand that, I see absolutely no benefit it trying to make them understand it.

List ALL the things this Nexus 5 phone does that my iPhone does not do. Then tell me why those things are important to me. In this exercise you may begin to see why I do not care about those things. I wanted a simple polished experience out of the box. I was willing to pay more for it rather than pay less and configure my phone for the experience that I desire.


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$4K Rolex eh? You should really look into this $1500 feature phone I'm selling then. PM me.

I won't list all the things the Nexus 5 can do for YOU, but I have a laundry list of things the Nexus 5 can do for ME that an iPhone can't.

 

[JeffDenver]

It's beginning to seem to me, from Jeff's responses, that he doesn't comprehend/acknowledge the point on user-experience being a value worth paying a PREMIUM for.

I did acknowledge mit. In my dumbphone example. To the guy paying $1200 for the dumbphone, it is a great value...it does what he wants well, and it looks pretty. Thats worth paying more for, right?

 

[abazigal]

Have no idea what airplay is...is that mirroring?


Like I do with Google Drive? This is free and works on many platforms.

Bonus: I can share my docs with anyone as well, instantly. Even with you on your Apple device. We can even be working on the document at the same time, and modify it in real-time.


Like I do with Box and Dropbox? (Drive will do that as well)

Can you do that with all your students or just the ones with Apple equipment? I can share stuff with box.com to anyone, on any platform, immediately.

Shared photostream creates a website with the selected photos. I then email the link to them (or post them on my class blog). They then access the site, select the photos they want and download them. I have also done this for a few other teachers and their feedback is that it's really *****-proof (crucial, since we are dealing with 8 year old children).

Never thought of sharing Dropbox folders. Does this work with pupils who don't have Dropbox accounts?

Next, the documents I work on with iWork's are not really intended for circulation or collaboration, mostly for creation of worksheets for my pupils for presentations for events, mainly as a replacement for Office. We do use google docs for collaborative work in the classroom.

Airplay mirroring is something like miracast, if I understand the latter correctly.

So yeah, while what I do use apple devices, their output isn't limited or confined to apple products solely.

 

[Haalcyon]

$4K Rolex eh? You should really look into this $1500 feature phone I'm selling then. PM me.

I won't list all the things the Nexus 5 can do for YOU, but I have a laundry list of things the Nexus 5 can do for ME that an iPhone can't.

Nope, wouldn't work. Because the feature phone wouldn't meet my needs, whereas the iPhone does. Now, would I pay $1500 for a 128GB iPhone made from Titanium with sapphire covered display? I just might.


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[Geodude074]

Haha, really I think Haalcyon lost all credibility with his 4K Rolex statement. He is the epitome of snobby iPhone users who thinks they're superior to others simply because they have a more expensive device, EVEN WHEN IT'S OBJECTIVELY INFERIOR.

 

[Haalcyon]

I did acknowledge mit. In my dumbphone example. To the guy paying $1200 for the dumbphone, it is a great value...it does what he wants well, and it looks pretty. Thats worth paying more for, right?

Sure, especially since $1,200 to him may be like $12 to others (we don't know).


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[garublador]

It's beginning to seem to me, from Jeff's responses, that he doesn't comprehend/acknowledge the point on user-experience being a value worth paying a PREMIUM for. I'm okay with that, it doesn't make user experience less valuable to me though.


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You're assuming that you can't prefer something that's objectively worse. That is not the case. People prefer things that are objectively worse all the time.

 

[abazigal]

$4K Rolex eh? You should really look into this $1500 feature phone I'm selling then. PM me.

I won't list all the things the Nexus 5 can do for YOU, but I have a laundry list of things the Nexus 5 can do for ME that an iPhone can't.

Which is why you are using a nexus phone and not an iphone. Makes sense to me.

Just like there are things I do with my iphone that I likely can't get a comparable experience with on an android phone.

Each of us is simply using the device which best suits our needs. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.

 

[Haalcyon]

Haha, really I think Haalcyon lost all credibility with his 4K Rolex statement. He is the epitome of snobby iPhone users who thinks they're superior to others simply because they have a more expensive device, EVEN WHEN IT'S OBJECTIVELY INFERIOR.

You obviously don't know me or else you would know that I'm as far from snobby as possible. My point is that some things are worth it to some users. Trolling by insulting me may be tolerated for you here, as an android user, but I assure you I will not respond in kind. Just because fine jewely may not be worth it to you doesn't mean its not worth it to me and certainly doesn't make me a snob. Are Porsche drivers snobs too because they didn't buy an Acura? I have to be careful how I respond because I can't get away with the same responses you may make, but I think I'm better than no one and have already said you guys are more advanced than me. I'm not trying to sell anyone on the iPhone. I'm simply saying it has attributes that I prefer to all of the android phones I've had. Now, and this is not trolling (gotta add that) suggesting that I need to have credibility, hear, in this setting is unfounded because I do not. I can only state my opinions. I'm not trying to (and there is no benefit whatsoever) to convince you or anyone else. What I can do is attempt to explain why someone may make a different choice than you. If that, in and of itself, makes me seem snobby to you, that's completely okay with me, but largely irrelevant.


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[JeffDenver]

I have a $4K Rolex that does less than a Timex $60 digital. Many cannot understand that

But they do understand it...you are paying more because of it's intrinsic and aesthetic value. You are not buying it as a tool, you are buying it as jewelry.

Are you buying your phone as a tool or as jewelry?

List ALL the things this Nexus 5 phone does that my iPhone does not do.
I already did that for you in another thread, but I can do so again.

1) Application interoperability - aka the Share menu (allowing you to share media from any app to any other app without the OS having to specifically support it)
2) A desktop to arrange icons or widgets as you see fit, rather than having them spammed at you all at once.
3) A real file system so you can manually move files around if you want.
4) The ability to use any market you want in addition to the official one (or even in place of it) and the ability to load any app manually, without needing to root.
5) No restricted media - The ability to circumvent OS censorship due to #4 (if you want flappy birds, you can still have it on Android, even if Google takes it off their market)
6) 3rd party app integration...you can use any app as the default for anything
7) Wireless/Remote app install (can install any app to any device on your account, remotely, using only your Gmail account on aq PC)

The actual lost is a lot longer but is not stuff you will care about (Widgets, live wallpapers, better notifications, ect)

Then tell me why those things are important to me.

You've already decided what is important to you. I'm not going to change your mind on what you like.

In this exercise you may begin to see why I do not care about those things. I wanted a simple polished experience out of the box. I also wanted the ability to video chat with friends and family without tell them to use a different solution.

GTalk (hangouts) does that now. It is not even platform-specific.

 

[JeffDenver]

The share menu gets glossed over a lot, even by Android people. But I think it bears a closer look:

Application interoperability
With my Android devices, I can share virtually any content from within any application to any other application. For example, if I view a picture in the Gallery app, I can share it to Google+, Facebook, Twitter, Dropbox, Drive, Gmail, MMS, Picasa or any other application that accepts photos without ever having to leave Gallery.


Stock sharing options are quite limited on iOS.

On iOS, the only sharing options from within Photos are: Mail, Messages, Twitter, Facebook and Print. You can also assign it to a contact, use it as a wallpaper or copy the image. But to share a photo with any other application, you will have to navigate to that application and share it from within.

Another example is sharing from within the browser. To share a link to a social network that is not integrated with iOS (Google+), you have to either use the Chrome browser or copy the link and share from within Google+. The only way an application can share to a non-integrated service from within an application is by physically coding support for the application in, such as how Camera+ or Snapseed do.

By integrating different social networks, Apple has slowly added interoperability. But it?s no comparison to how simple it is to share content between applications on Android. This is one feature that iOS advocates around the Web have been dying for.

Here’s What iOS 7 Needs to Compete With Android Again | Pocketnow

 

[Haalcyon]

You're assuming that you can't prefer something that's objectively worse. That is not the case. People prefer things that are objectively worse all the time.

It hasn't been shown to me that it is OBJECTIVELY worse. The argument was that it cost more while doing less. Is an F22 worse than a 777 because it carries only 1 passenger and has a shorter range (thereby doing less)? They're both planes, they both fly. No, its not objectively worse, its objectively different. Different does not equal worse.


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[JeffDenver]

Shared photostream creates a website with the selected photos. I then email the link to them (or post them on my class blog).

Box.com does the exact same thing.

Except that anyone on any platform can create a Box.com account...if I share a folder to them, they do not even need an email link. It is already available to them. Whether they are on Apple or PC or Android or iOS hardware. Google does the exact same thing on Drive, and it has all the same capabilities.

This is a good example of why open is better.

Never thought of sharing Dropbox folders. Does this work with pupils who don't have Dropbox accounts?

I believe so, yeah. I know Box has that functionality.

Even if they did not, anyone can make an account for free, and you do not need a specific OS to make it work.

Next, the documents I work on with iWork's are not really intended for circulation or collaboration

But in this context it does not matter...it is a choice you have with Google drive. You can use it exactly like a private office suite or you can share it or anything inbetween. You could even use it on OSX or iOS. It is not limited to any platform or OS.

So yeah, while what I do use apple devices, their output isn't limited or confined to apple products solely.

Which is a bad thing. Proprietary is a bad thing. This is the entire reason I don't like iOS...it is not because it is Apple, but because it is closed. Apple is really incidental...if it was not Apple, it would be someone else. Apple just does the closed system better than anyone else can.

iTunes is a great example of Apple when they are open...I have used that lots of times to buy music. Because it is open. I am not locked into Apple's box. I can download the music and use it anywhere.

 

[Haalcyon]

But they do understand it...you are paying more because of it's intrinsic and aesthetic value. You are not buying it as a tool, you are buying it as jewelry.

Are you buying your phone as a tool or as jewelry?

List ALL the things this Nexus 5 phone does that my iPhone does not do.
I already did that for you in another thread, but I can do so again.

1) Application interoperability - aka the Share menu (allowing you to share media from any app to any other app without the OS having to specifically support it)
2) A desktop to arrange icons or widgets as you see fit, rather than having them spammed at you all at once.
3) A real file system so you can manually move files around if you want.
4) The ability to use any market you want in addition to the official one (or even in place of it) and the ability to load any app manually, without needing to root.
5) No restricted media - The ability to circumvent OS censorship due to #4 (if you want flappy birds, you can still have it on Android, even if Google takes it off their market)
6) 3rd party app integration...you can use any app as the default for anything
7) Wireless/Remote app install (can install any app to any device on your account, remotely, using only your Gmail account on aq PC)

The actual lost is a lot longer but is not stuff you will care about (Widgets, live wallpapers, better notifications, ect)


You've already decided what is important to you. I'm not going to change your mind on what you like.


GTalk (hangouts) does that now. It is not even platform-specific.

Exactly. All the things you listed are not important to me. If they're not important to me why would I feel that I needed or wanted a phone that could do those things. I don't have a need to access the file system on my phone. I laugh at that. Wireless/Remote.... Why do I want that. The only thing I want to do remotely is remotely control my PCs and servers. Look, I'm sorry fellas, its not as if you're talking to someone who has never used android. In fact, In fact, I'd not be surprised if I've had more contemporary Android phones than many participating in this thread. Android offers me things I don't need at the expense of things I place more value in. A simple user experience trumps all of the things you've listed because those things you've listed have absolutely no value whatsoever to me as you read this. I've stated my priorities and don't expect my priorities to be yours, however, one might think that you're trying to get me to accept your priorities as mine.


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[JeffDenver]

Exactly. All the things you listed are not important to me.

Would you have said the same thing when you had a dumbphone?

Look, I'm sorry fellas, its not as if you're talking to someone who has never used android.

And I doubt at this point there is any argument that could convince you. Which is why I am only arguing objective points.

The fact that Apple has actively added things to iOS that were not there before (but were already on Android) leads me to believe the majority of iOS users DO want extra functionality. Even if you personally do not.

 

[Haalcyon]

It hasn't been shown to me that it is OBJECTIVELY worse. The argument was that it cost more while doing less. Is an F22 worse than a 777 because it carries only 1 passenger and has a shorter range (thereby doing less)? They're both planes, they both fly. Or, is an F22 worse than an F15 because the F15 is cheaper and the has a broader mission portfolio. If you think the the F22 worse there's some folks at the Pentagon you may want to talk to. (I'm stretching it with these analogies so I'll stop). No, its not objectively worse, its objectively different. Different does not equal worse.


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[JeffDenver]

It hasn't been shown to me that it is OBJECTIVELY worse.

I disagree. If it costs more and does less, and you are using it as a tool, then it is worse.

Is an F22 worse than a 777 because it carries only 1 passenger and has a shorter range (thereby doing less)?

As a passenger plane, yes, it is much worse. It is an incredibly inefficient passenger plane.

Or, is an F22 worse than an F15 because the F15 is cheaper and the has a broader mission portfolio.

As an air superiority fighter, the F22 is significantly better. It has far more capability. The F15, as an air superiority fighter, is objectively worse than the F22. It has fewer capabilities.

 

[Haalcyon]

Would you have said the same thing when you had a dumbphone?


And I doubt at this point there is any argument that could convince you. Which is why I am only arguing objective points.

The fact that Apple has actively added things to iOS that were not there before (but were already on Android) leads me to believe the majority of iOS users DO want extra functionality. Even if you personally do not.

I won't argue that. I tried to switch from android to WP8 but I couldn't because the app ecosystem was too poor for me. My absolute biggest reason for going with iOS are its ecosystems, both app and accessory. I realized, while using android that in all the things android provides it was not satisfying me in that category and that was a deal breaker for me. Did I initially miss the back button on my iGadgets? You bet ya, but after about hours that was that and it was forgotten.


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