Why is everyone dissing the pixel 6/6pro?

[fuzzylumpkin]

Therefore, if Apple used a standalone X60 with their A15 bionic, couldn't Google have done the same with a newly designed tensor chip?

Apple can tell Qualcomm what to do and Qualcomm will bend over backwards. If Google tried that they'd laugh and tell them to buy Snapdragon SoCs or get the Frick out.

On the other side of the coin, I doubt Samsung would have designed a new version of the Exyn...I mean, tensor SoC that used the X60.

And that's to say nothing of the driver support problem that comes with Qualcomm.

 

[anon(40376)]

Apple can tell Qualcomm what to do and Qualcomm will bend over backwards. If Google tried that they'd laugh and tell them to buy Snapdragon SoCs or get the Frick out.

On the other side of the coin, I doubt Samsung would have designed a new version of the Exyn...I mean, tensor SoC that used the X60.

And that's to say nothing of the driver support problem that comes with Qualcomm.

For money; I'm sure that Samsung and/or Qualcomm would have designed the chips to work together. Qualcomm's worth about 160 billion, Samsung about 300 billion; Google (Alphabet) about 1.1 Trillion; believe google had the money to spend, if needed.

However, I wonder...why does Google market a phone? Considering the sales of the Pixel phone compared to other android phone manufacturers they are nothing; just a statistical spec in the long list of phones. Just in the USA market they are a spec. In 2020, they had a 1.5% share, with an expectation of hitting a whopping 2.5%in 2021. (And ask that even though I like my 4XL.)

And being one who is not jumping for joy about the Pixel 6-series, there are some features that make the tensor quite a bit different than the Exynos 2100/2200 chips.

Be interesting to see what comes of the future tensor chips.

For now...I'm just waiting to see if software come compensate for the design of the phone's working hardware.

If it does....nice.

If not....?

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

For money; I'm sure that Samsung and/or Qualcomm would have designed the chips to work together. Qualcomm's worth about 160 billion, Samsung about 300 billion; Google (Alphabet) about 1.1 Trillion; believe google had the money to spend, if needed.

However, I wonder...why does Google market a phone? Considering the sales of the Pixel phone compared to other android phone manufacturers they are nothing; just a statistical spec in the long list of phones. Just in the USA market they are a spec. In 2020, they had a 1.5% share, with an expectation of hitting a whopping 2.5%in 2021. (And ask that even though I like my 4XL.)

And being one who is not jumping for joy about the Pixel 6-series, there are some features that make the tensor quite a bit different than the Exynos 2100/2200 chips.

Be interesting to see what comes of the future tensor chips.

For now...I'm just waiting to see if software come compensate for the design of the phone's working hardware.

If it does....nice.

If not....?

Alphabet is worth closer to 2 trillion.

They could throw enough money at them, sure. But why would they? It would take a LOT of money, and they would never see a return on it.

Basically they sell a phone for two reasons... As a development platform, and because they feel they need to in order to showcase their services. They probably lose money on every base model pixel sold, or did before tensor, which has no doubt saved a small fortune.

 

[anon(40376)]

Networth, not Market Cap. First of Jan it was 1 trillion networth; today, SM closing market cap was at 1.84 trillion.
But not here to discuss Alphabet's bank account or stock worth.

Development...I can see. However, they did release the software in 2008, on an HTC and the first Nexus did not appear till 2010.

Showcasing their services is not a necessary function for basically a software company. And if a company is going to showcase anything, they better make a good showing. And from what I have read, most were not that great; although to be fair, the 4 series had bad reputations and mine has been flawless after the second month.

Did they lose on all phones? Heck, not sure or even sure if I care. But that would be interesting to research someday.

Back to the original; did Google fluff it when they went with the 5123 modem and became the FIRST company to ever use that modem in the USA (or so I have read)?

And, can a software update fix the problems people are having?

We shall find out in a few weeks. Not sure if it will change my mind on my next phone; that decision is around 98% made. But I hope it does fix the problems people are having. Since for the number complaining here, there are thousands who have no idea this forum exists.

 

[anon(40376)]

Networth, not Market Cap. First of Jan it was 1 trillion networth; today, SM closing market cap was at 1.84 trillion.
But not here to discuss Alphabet's bank account or stock worth.

Development...I can see. However, they did release the software in 2008, on an HTC and the first Nexus did not appear till 2010.

Showcasing their services is not a necessary function for basically a software company. And if a company is going to showcase anything, they better make a good showing, or to make the showing good, throw money at the problems and research or get the **** out of the phone business.

And from what I have read, most were not that great; although to be fair, the 4 series had bad reputations and mine has been flawless after the second month.

Did they lose on all phones? Heck, not sure or even sure if I care. But that would be interesting to research someday.

Back to the original; did Google fluff it when they went with the 5123 modem and became the FIRST company to ever use that modem in the USA (or so I have read)?

And, can a software update fix the problems people are having?

We shall find out in a few weeks. Not sure if it will change my mind on my next phone; that decision is around 98% made. But I hope it does fix the problems people are having. Since for the number complaining here, there are thousands who have no idea this forum exists.

 

[I Can Be Your Hero]

Therefore, if Apple used a standalone X60 with their A15 bionic, couldn't Google have done the same with a newly designed tensor chip?

I've got two guesses on this:

1. Because so many parts of the phone are from Samsung (screen, SoC, ram, memory etc) that it was likely cheaper for them to go with the Samsung's modem instead of the X60.

2. Remember that the Google Tensor is a scrapped Exynos designed chip, so it's not really built from the ground up by Google, and that design would have had the 5123 modem, so might have been way too much work/effort for little gain in getting a different modem.

Either way, I don't believe the hardware is the issue. The same modem was in the Galaxy S20 and S21 phones (Exynos variants) I believe and it didn't have reception issues. The fault lies entirely with Google here - whatever 'testing' and tuning they've done, they've stuffed up with the phone getting reception in certain areas/regions.

 

[anon(40376)]

If not hardware, then the software fix later this Month will fix all. Right? Hopefully?

 

[I Can Be Your Hero]

If not hardware, then the software fix later this Month will fix all. Right? Hopefully?

Fingers crossed!!

Google did say they have a fix for the connection issues which should be in the January patch.

 

[Aflaaaak]

For money; I'm sure that Samsung and/or Qualcomm would have designed the chips to work together. Qualcomm's worth about 160 billion, Samsung about 300 billion; Google (Alphabet) about 1.1 Trillion; believe google had the money to spend, if needed.

However, I wonder...why does Google market a phone? Considering the sales of the Pixel phone compared to other android phone manufacturers they are nothing; just a statistical spec in the long list of phones. Just in the USA market they are a spec. In 2020, they had a 1.5% share, with an expectation of hitting a whopping 2.5%in 2021. (And ask that even though I like my 4XL.)

And being one who is not jumping for joy about the Pixel 6-series, there are some features that make the tensor quite a bit different than the Exynos 2100/2200 chips.

Be interesting to see what comes of the future tensor chips.

For now...I'm just waiting to see if software come compensate for the design of the phone's working hardware.

If it does....nice.

If not....?

According to the former Google employee that reviewed the Pixel 6 that I posted a link to a couple pages back, the Pixel team is a lot smaller than even the Android team, which is of course much smaller than Google (or Alphabet). One team doesn't get the resources of the entire company when it comes to product budgets. But I suppose if Google saw the Pixel as damaging to the Brand in any way, they could throw the Pixel Team more resources. It all depends what Google's expectations and priorities are. Just speculating, of course. BTW, I looked at Verizon's reviews of the Pixel 6 Pro for ****s and giggles...as of now, it's earned a 4.1 Star rating, with 70% recommencing it. While there were a few mentions of the connectivity/cell reception issues, the vast majority of 1 and 2 Star ratings were related to other issues like the FP sensor, no Face Unlock, Android 12 bugs, and some camera issues.

 

[buzzy3970]

That should not happen if you have adequate cell tower and WiFi service. My Pixel 6 Pro has been rock solid on both WiFi and cell service since the day I unboxed it 5 weeks ago.

I live in a major metropolitan area(Houston) and have great Wi-Fi yet the problem still exists. Solved it days ago though by switching back to my z flip 3 as my main device and of course the issues are no longer present.

 

[StormnNJ]

Fingers crossed!!

Google did say they have a fix for the connection issues which should be in the January patch.

I have not had an issue with no service on Nov or Dec builds. Other than a few hiccups on things the phone does what it should and that's work as a phone for me. I have had Iphones off and on going back to 4s and up to 12 pro and I can say they have as many if not more connection issues than this phone could have.

The 4s would drop calls constantly and this still plagues the 12 pro I have today. Apple's answer to it back then was you're holding your phone wrong. Hold it differently and this won't happen. They attempted to then blame the carrier's networks as being too crowded. Too many times have I seen DON'T UPDATE with the new build it will brick your Iphone.

Google did the right thing pulling the Dec patch from rollout and their site. I think it's their way of saying Hey, we F'd up the patch and we will fix it rather than pushing it and worrying about it later.

Patience and they will fix it...

 

[I Can Be Your Hero]

Marques Brownlee has said that his Pixel 6 Pro is so buggy now that he's no longer using it. He went back to his Galaxy S21 Ultra:
https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1481108783996751874

He goes on further to detail some of the issues he has:
https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1481110884189679619

Can't say I'm surprised. If I still had my Galaxy S21 Ultra, I'd swap my sim card and move off the Pixel 6 Pro as well.

It's a phone with a lot of problems right now. If Google wanted this to be their big Pixel 'reset' and show the world what Pixel's can do - this isn't a good start. Hardware and software - there are issues across the board.

 

[lyingfromyou]

Marques Brownlee has said that his Pixel 6 Pro is so buggy now that he's no longer using it. He went back to his Galaxy S21 Ultra:
https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1481108783996751874

He goes on further to detail some of the issues he has:
https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1481110884189679619

Can't say I'm surprised. If I still had my Galaxy S21 Ultra, I'd swap my sim card and move off the Pixel 6 Pro as well.

It's a phone with a lot of problems right now. If Google wanted this to be their big Pixel 'reset' and show the world what Pixel's can do - this isn't a good start. Hardware and software - there are issues across the board.

I'm glad I jumped ship.

I got caught up in the hype like alot of other first time Pixel buyers. Also made me realize that I don't need immediate updates. I need stable software and quality hardware.. That phone just felt and ran so cheap!

I hope for everyone's sake that the P6P isn't just a brick in disguise!

Makes you wonder about all those glowing reviews. Paid sponsorships are ruining honesty!

 

[I Can Be Your Hero]

Also made me realize that I don't need immediate updates. I need stable software and quality hardware.. That phone just felt and ran so cheap!

Yeah I definitely agree with you. I'd rather no update than a buggy one.

 

[Jona005]

I am by no means a Apple fanboy. I’ve ran android most of my adult life, in fact. With that said, this 13 pro max that I just got just…runs like it should. This is the smooth experience I hoped for with the pixel. I realize that iOS and android are two completely different animals so this is like apples and oranges. Here’s to hoping for a return to pixel one day. A stable pixel.

 

[neil74]

I am a little underwhelmed with mine. If the S22 was not imminent I might cut my losses myself. The only thing I prefer really is the camera is better for most everyday scenarios where I would often run into Samsung blurry vision.

Battery is definately sub-par even more so when used off of wifi. I have not hit any of the bigger bugs mentioned but the whole experience does feel underwhelming and a little cheap, hard to put my finger on why.

 

[Mrsfwh3]

I'm ordering an unlocked 6 from Google. Then I will be using an AT&T SIM. Will I get updates regularly?

 

[fuzzylumpkin]

I'm ordering an unlocked 6 from Google. Then I will be using an AT&T SIM. Will I get updates regularly?

No one gets regular updates for the Pixel 6 lol.

 

[sundry]

No one gets regular updates for the Pixel 6 lol.

Now, now, that's not true. We're just having a couple of bad months. Lol

 

[scribe4food]

My complaints have been resolved, after the January update. I will probably get the next Note or Fold, however, I'm happy right here and right now with my P6P.