Will google really wait till October 2018 to replace the screen?

[idiotekniques]

You don't. It's in the eye of the beholder obviously. I just showed my daughter the same YouTube video on 75% brightness on both phones. She doesn't know which one is which. She's an artist. She immediately said the Note 8 is "much nicer."

What I'm saying is that at least Samsung gives people the option to switch to the mode you like if they want to. Google is not giving people the choice. They're catering to you and people like you only. They're not catering to others. They could if they wanted to.

You are correct, Google is not catering to the whole market. One can only imagine why. Sometimes companies don't want to always cater to the lowest common denominator even if it means more customers. I have no idea why Google is doing it in this case but they are.

 

[vamp07]

To say the issues are nonsense is just trolling so let’s just ignore that

I too was expecting the p2xl to be no worse than the v30 but it really is. I took mine back today, they got another one out which was just as bad, curiously though both were noticeably worse than the display model so maybe there are some good ones out there?

The blue shift on the one I purchased was in your face and imo unacceptable for a £800 flagship device. The normally return adverse Carphone Warehouse had no arguments and never questioned.

No. Trolling is to go on and on about how bad this screen is. I had the note 8 before returning it for the pixel. It's not like I don't know the difference between these screens. The note 8 has a better panel but not so much better that I would pick it over the pixel. You really have to nit pick to say the pixel has a bad screen.

 

[torbach1]

No. Trolling is to go on and on about how bad this screen is. I had the note 8 before returning it for the pixel. It's not like I don't know the difference between these screens. The note 8 has a better panel but not so much better that I would pick it over the pixel. You really have to nit pick to say the pixel has a bad screen.

You're making the incorrect assumption that there are no members of these forums who are still trying to make a decision about these phones. There are. I was one of them. I purchased the XL 2 because there are things it has that I want, like regular security updates. But I also read screen reviews here, and became convinced that the screen issue is mostly hype at this stage. Now I have the XL 2, and I don't think it's hype. I can and will likely still return it, but will lose my restocking fee to do that. So if I can inform others who had the same mindset as I did, I will post here. That's not trolling. It's trying to be helpful.

 

[I Can Be Your Hero]

No. Trolling is to go on and on about how bad this screen is. I had the note 8 before returning it for the pixel. It's not like I don't know the difference between these screens. The note 8 has a better panel but not so much better that I would pick it over the pixel. You really have to nit pick to say the pixel has a bad screen.

I agree with some of this.

I also recently had the Note 8. It's a better screen is pretty much every respect, no doubt about it. But the difference wasn't so major that I'd choose the Note 8 over the Pixel 2 XL.

They way I look at it, the one drawback of the Pixel 2 XL is the screen, which is good, not great. The drawbacks of the Note 8 are the performance, UI, camera and updates which are all good, but not great. So to me, I'm willing to have a phone which doesn't have a best-in-class screen, in order to have all those other benefits.

In saying that, I really hope LG's OLED panels improve a lot by next year and if not, Google choose some other screen for the Pixel 3. Galaxy S8 screen or heck, the Galaxy S7 screen if need be. I don't think they can go two years in a row with negative press about the Pixel's screen. Rightly or wrongly, if the screen isn't that great, the media will (and should) discuss it - I'm sure Google don't want their flagship, high-end phones associated with lower quality screens.

Though this is a discussion forum and the screen is a very large talking point. As long as thoughts are expressed and discussed respectfully, I don't see an issue with a lot of discussion revolving around the screen.

 

[LeoRex]

I suggest some go read the technical article over on XDA.... they seemed to have come to the conclusion that a lot of the quirks of the display are related to the particular config that Google picked and that improvements could be made.

Now, is it the best display out there? No... but to be honest, for a ton of people, the issues are minor and have really no effect on their usage and don't detract in any way from their enjoyment of the phone (such as yours truly). But to each, their own. If you can't get passed something like the blue shift, then it is what it is. There are plenty of alternative choices out there to pick from and there will be something for everyone.

Like with most things, what one person considers a problem, or deal breaker, or whatever term you choose, other's may not... and laying into someone for having their own opinion, well, that's really not going to sit well here.

 

[Byrese]

Whether you notice it or not the screen on the 2XL has issues. It may not bother you but the blue tint is there, the screen is flawed and for such an expensive phone it is not right.

I can see LG limping on with the same screen in the V30 until the G7 launches in the spring but I do wonder if Google can afford to wait until next Autumn?

Could we see a revised P2XL sooner?

I know the screen has burn in issues and that blue tint thing going on but what exactly is the problem? Whats causing those issues?

There's no way a phone that expensive should have those kinds of problems.

 

[torbach1]

I know the screen has burn in issues and that blue tint thing going on but what exactly is the problem? Whats causing those issues?

There's no way a phone that expensive should have those kinds of problems.

I think the point you made here is the one that's most important. At this price, the screen should be at least as good as the one on the regular Pixel.

 

[osubeavs728]

There are still folks who go to these forms when trying to decide whether or not to purchase a phone. As long as that remains the case, and many folks are saying that the screen issue is actually a non-issue, it's important for folks to post about this. If it had been fully resolved, no one would bother posting.

So you're saying that you're motivated enough to go read a forum but not motivated enough to read through the actual forum to see what threads already exist?

 

[idiotekniques]

I think the point you made here is the one that's most important. At this price, the screen should be at least as good as the one on the regular Pixel.

It is actually better than the pixel 2 screen for a lot of folks. It's bigger

 

[torbach1]

So you're saying that you're motivated enough to go read a forum but not motivated enough to read through the actual forum to see what threads already exist?

I'm sure you didn't intend it this way, but you're calling me lazy here. I'm a gadget nut. I read about this a lot. I'm far from lazy when it comes to researching.

I did read the many threads here. There are a lot and things have changed pretty dramatically over the last 2 months, so searching for threads from even 1 month ago is not valuable if those threads are closed. FWIW, I didn't start this thread. I'm arguing that it was justified. If the Pixel 2 XL has not changed a lot screen wise based on Google's acting on the negative feedback, I would have read those old threads and stayed away.

 

[torbach1]

It is actually better than the pixel 2 screen for a lot of folks. It's bigger

Agreed. I also prefer larger screens. If I didn't, I'd just get the regular Pixel and be done with it. It's screen is a Samsung AMOLED rather than an LG POLED. I want a larger phone. At the price of the larger phone, which with 128GB memory cost me $949, or more than the Note 8, I expect a better screen, and so should any owner of the Pixel XL. The software experience and camera are outstanding, and maybe that will be good enough in this case to make up for the screen. I will give the XL 2 the full 14 days before making the decision on whether to keep it instead of the Note 8 or return it.

But personally as a Google fan, I feel that they made a mistake with the screen and should do whatever they can software wise to continue improving it. They're targeting Apple, and the iPhone X's screen is one of the most beautiful screens on the market. They're selling tiny volumes of these phones relatively speaking when with a better screen, and some additional carrier support, I believe they'd be killing it in the market, and they deserve to. Hopefully they'll make improvements for the 3.

 

[idiotekniques]

The color shift doesn't bother a lot of folks. My first pixel 2 XL had a decent blue tint but in 15 days of using it, it just wasn't noticeable in day to day usage, or bothersome at all. My 2nd Pixel 2 XL has much less color shift. I don't expect it to be noticeable on this one either. I like knowing it has less of a shift but really, it turns out to have made no difference in daily usage of this phone. A decent amount of oled screens have color shift of some kind, this is not an exclusive to Google

As far as the colors Google has a natural color space and then increased saturation in two steps. If the cartoonish samsung colors are your thing above all else - GET A SAMSUNG PHONE - it seems Google wants to bring colors back to normal, at least this round.

Burn-in I can't comment much on as I barely see complaints about it. It doesn't seem to be very common at least from being active in the Pixel 2 XL forums here and on XDA.

 

[anon(10092459)]

IMO, people should have more patience with Google as they continue to work on their hardware division. Electronics are difficult to bring to fruition. From design to execution is a long process. They shipped about 2 million 1st gen Pixel/XL phones last year and was available in 6 countries including the United States. They added Italy and Spain for the 2XL this year.

The last thing that Google needs to do is bite off more than they can chew, so to speak. They need to build branding and work on QC more. I believe these things are coming, the recent deal with HTC would suggest so.

So no, there's no real reason to order different panels besides what they already have in place.

 

[neil74]

You're making the incorrect assumption that there are no members of these forums who are still trying to make a decision about these phones. There are. I was one of them. I purchased the XL 2 because there are things it has that I want, like regular security updates. But I also read screen reviews here, and became convinced that the screen issue is mostly hype at this stage. Now I have the XL 2, and I don't think it's hype. I can and will likely still return it, but will lose my restocking fee to do that. So if I can inform others who had the same mindset as I did, I will post here. That's not trolling. It's trying to be helpful.

Good point. Whilst I had seen friends and display units I was hoping it was hype as I wanted to pick one up.

Also the original question was to ask if people thought google may revise before next Autumn, although it has inevitably turned into a The screen is bad/The screen issues are overhyped discussion. I guess some people have ok units which makes their defence of the screen understandable

 

[Almeuit]

Good point. Whilst I had seen friends and display units I was hoping it was hype as I wanted to pick one up.

Also the original question was to ask if people thought google may revise before next Autumn, although it has inevitably turned into a The screen is bad/The screen issues are overhyped discussion. I guess some people have ok units which makes their defence of the screen understandable

My main thing is -- it doesn't bother me for normal usage. Do I hope Google fixes it for the next phone? For sure. Just because it doesn't bother me doesn't mean it wasn't a valid point for people who are bothered by it.. so I hope Google learns and fixes it.

I just don't think it will be revised and done for this version of the phone.

 

[neil74]

My first pixel 2 XL had a decent blue tint but in 15 days of using it, it just wasn't noticeable in day to day usage, or bothersome at all. My 2nd Pixel 2 XL has much less color shift. .

I think this goes some way to explaining the polarising comments, there is clearly a variation out there.

I could easily have lived with the display unit I saw yesterday but not the 2 I tried to buy, maybe with a proper dark theme on the OS all apps and I could have tried to.

 

[victoryrules8]

I agree. I have in front of me 2 panda 2 xl's one built dec.6th and one built Nov. 17th. the one built in December has very little blue shift a very liveable display the one from Nov 17th which will be getting exchanged today has horribly distracting blue shift. so bad in fact that if you even barely turn it off axis it shifts and it's not something I want to look at for over a year. I need to make sure that I check the manufacturer date on the new one I think everything made prior to December has a worse off display anyone have an opinion on manufacturer dates?

 

[neil74]

Or colour.... All the P2Xls I have seen with really bad blue shift have been white, the demo unit yesterday was black. Probably just a coincidence?

 

[Mike Dee]

I agree. I have in front of me 2 panda 2 xl's one built dec.6th and one built Nov. 17th. the one built in December has very little blue shift a very liveable display the one from Nov 17th which will be getting exchanged today has horribly distracting blue shift. so bad in fact that if you even barely turn it off axis it shifts and it's not something I want to look at for over a year. I need to make sure that I check the manufacturer date on the new one I think everything made prior to December has a worse off display anyone have an opinion on manufacturer dates?

No direct correlation between blue shift and date...I have seen plenty of units built prior to that date with no issue. There could be a higher number of early units with more shift if they tightened up QC, but we would still be guessing.

 

[victoryrules8]

is that fact or opinion?