Will my RAZR MAXX have ICS 4.0.4 before my Galaxy Nexus?

[dmmarck]

True. Now where does it say all that get a g nex have to root, run custom roms? Couldn't an app developer, ROM maker have specific ppl test for them? Like the manufactures do?

My issue is with ppl that feel the sole purpose of a g nex is root and custom ROMs. Its a developer phone, but it isn't marketed that way.

The closest thing I can compare this to is over clocking CPUs, mobo, BIOS. If all 3 are shipped in a PC from Dell, do that mean everyone who gets one is supposed to over clock it? Or is it for the select that know how or want to know how?

I'm not sure if many people feel that's the explicit sole purpose, but I (among others) think it's a large factor. Why? Because if you believe in what Nexus used to stand for--it being a "reference" phone with the newest Android OS and how Google/Android expects the OS to be used/delivered to the end consumer--then testing out and trying the newest possible tweaks, features, etc. is both very exciting, very fun, and in many ways, improves the user experience exponentially (if done correctly).

By no means do I think it's a stone cold necessity, but when you have devs out there like Kondik with CyanogenMod (who was hired by I believe Samsung?) who produce a rom that is as professional--if not more so--than the "skins" or even bare Android, then rooting/flashing becomes a great alternative to utilize your device. The professionalism of some roms and devs is just through the roof, and the whole experience no longer comes off as being the hobby of some cheap, morbidly obese teenage nerd sitting in their mum's basement eating Fritos and flashing roms while trolling AIM chat groups.

It's become a very accepted practice with Android, hence the inclusion (or exclusion, depending on how you read your lawz) of the word "may" and not "will" regarding voiding the warranty of your phone.

In that regard, this is the best phone out there--bar none. Once unleashed, it becomes an absolute monster, with better signal, better processing, and all of this built in unrealized potential coming to the top. It's an absolute JOY to see what this thing does when truly tested, which 4.0.2 does not do. So while other phones are, to a certain extent, conditionally better than the GN at being a phone (like the RAZR MAXX, screen issues aside), for what this does, and for the folks who like to live in that Nexus spirit of development, experimentation, and pushing the limits, it absolutely performs up to task.

That and I've had 4.0.4 and the accompanying radios for almost a month now .

 

[turdbogls]

so now that we know the best buy leaks were Bunk (surprise surprise) and the update today is just a bug fixer....how does everyone feel about thier nexus' today.....feeling any better

 

[ConTejas]

True. Now where does it say all that get a g nex have to root, run custom roms? Couldn't an app developer, ROM maker have specific ppl test for them? Like the manufactures do?

My issue is with ppl that feel the sole purpose of a g nex is root and custom ROMs. Its a developer phone, but it isn't marketed that way.

The closest thing I can compare this to is over clocking CPUs, mobo, BIOS. If all 3 are shipped in a PC from Dell, do that mean everyone who gets one is supposed to over clock it? Or is it for the select that know how or want to know how?

Are you kidding? The Nexus line is well known as a developer phone and certainly IS its entire purpose. Whether you root it or not is your choice, but that's definitely its purpose. You have the internet, right?

Google Nexus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[LBTRS]

so now that we know the best buy leaks were Bunk (surprise surprise) and the update today is just a bug fixer....how does everyone feel about thier nexus' today.....feeling any better

Not at all, the GN is still a phone with bugs that needs to be fixed with an update. Can't say that about my RAZR MAXX though as it works perfectly and does what it is supposed to.

 

[dmmarck]

Not at all, the GN is still a phone with bugs that needs to be fixed with an update. Can't say that about my RAZR MAXX though as it works perfectly and does what it is supposed to.

The worst thing VZW did was rush the GN when it wasn't ready.

 

[ultravisitor]

so now that we know the best buy leaks were Bunk (surprise surprise) and the update today is just a bug fixer....how does everyone feel about thier nexus' today.....feeling any better

Feeling better? I have never felt bad about my Nexus. I'm one of those who isn't experiencing problems with his phone.

 

[Hovik818]

Not at all, the GN is still a phone with bugs that needs to be fixed with an update. Can't say that about my RAZR MAXX though as it works perfectly and does what it is supposed to.

Besides the signal issue (at least in 4.0.2), what other bugs does the GN have? My phone was running perfect when I was stock. The only complaint I see is the signal issue. Not sure what other bugs the Nexus had. Regardless, no one will ever be satisfied with any device. There will always be an issue.

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[Sploinkin]

Taking it back to the original subject, I am a developer. I do not root or rom, as we both agree above.
If another phone has a more advanced version of ICS that I can't test against despite having the reference phone, it will be annoying.

Devastating, no, but annoying yes.

This is the only reason you can complain about not having an update imo...the rest of you who think you need an update and go to these forums stating you were promised this and that and you haven't gotten it could EASILY get these updates. Yes, this is a phone: built by Samsung, commissioned by Google to be a Developer Phone. Good luck taking it up with Verizon if you think you were sold somthing else.

 

[LBTRS]

Besides the signal issue (at least in 4.0.2), what other bugs does the GN have? My phone was running perfect when I was stock. The only complaint I see is the signal issue. Not sure what other bugs the Nexus had. Regardless, no one will ever be satisfied with any device. There will always be an issue.

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This list is long but the issues I have with my TWO Galaxy Nesux's are:

1. Poor signal which I lose all the time and can't get back
2. Reboot's spontaneously sometimes while in a phone call
3. Volume is way to low
4. Mic cuts out and other person can't hear me
5. Sometimes not able to transfer from phone to computer via USB so can't get pictures off the phone when it lost data and of course no sd card to remove so lost all pictures when I swapped the phone.

 

[rufflez]

This list is long but the issues I have with my TWO Galaxy Nesux's are:

1. Poor signal which I lose all the time and can't get back
2. Reboot's spontaneously sometimes while in a phone call
3. Volume is way to low
4. Mic cuts out and other person can't hear me
5. Sometimes not able to transfer from phone to computer via USB so can't get pictures off the phone when it lost data and of course no sd card to remove so lost all pictures when I swapped the phone.

Never had any of the issues above. They seem to be hit or miss, result of other apps you're running (gonna bet you have volume+ on there as that has been shown to be the culprit of the mic cutting out mid-call), or flat out user-error.

The volume isn't an issue with 4.0.4. Don't know why you wouldn't try it. The Thunderbolt used to reboot during a call, was an issue with the radio software and was fixed months later with an update. I have never had that issue on the Gnex, but, then again, I've been running the 4.0.4 radios for months which are wonderful. Only had 1 reboot ever. In the period of time that I've had the phone, my fiance's iphone4 has shut off entirely and became unresponsive twice. I've also never had a dropped call, and she has in my condo with low signal strength. Overall, I'm a very happy camper with my Nexus, and I can't wait for it to get even better.

 

[axne1]

I have none of those issues thank God!
And the great devs!
aopk b29 4.0.4
Franco kernel 121

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[jroc]

Are you kidding? The Nexus line is well known as a developer phone and certainly IS its entire purpose. Whether you root it or not is your choice, but that's definitely its purpose. You have the internet, right?

Google Nexus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If we take a poll of the general public....would it still be considered well known? Outside of wiki pedia would it still be considered well known?

At the same time....how many in the general public know what root means when it comes to Android phones?

The g nexus is sold as a smartphone first, according to Verizon, Samsung and in some areas Google's website. You still have to go thru steps to unlock the bootloader. Its a developer phone, but it isn't sold that way. I'm on my phone right now so it's hard to link it..but skim thru wikipedia links for Android dev phone...and see how Google used to do it when it came to dev phones.

Remember the general public makes up the majority of sales. How many ppl even do research online before even buying anything?

 

[dmmarck]

If we take a poll of the general public....would it still be considered well known? Outside of wiki pedia would it still be considered well known?

At the same time....how many in the general public know what root means when it comes to Android phones?

The nexus is sold as a smartphone first. You still have to go thru steps to unlock the bootloader.

Remember the general public makes up the majority of sales. How many ppl even do research online before even buying anything?

By the same logic, how many people on here (the internet) reflect the general public opinion of the Nexus? Hard to say

 

[jroc]

I can say this.....

What would the general public know about more...reception, mic issues or root, ROMs, bootloaders, dev phones...

 

[dmmarck]

I can say this.....

What would the general public know about more...reception, mic issues or root, ROMs, bootloaders, dev phones...

Well if they're as "general" as they generally tend to be, I wouldn't be shocked if they knew nothing of the above unless it happened frequently--like every call.

 

[jroc]

I will agree with that. Most would blame Verizon too.

I did a few years ago. Turned out it was my phone.

Look, I do like the idea of a developer phone sold in stores, on the major carriers. Could mean more ppl to help test apps and the OS. Makes it better for the rest of us, makes it better for the masses, the general public.

I just don't think it's as well known as a developer phone as some think it is. We have some folks calling any tablet an iPad. 1-2 years ago most Android phones were called IPhones. Android phones finally have their own identity...you think folks will know a developer phone from a non developer phone?

 

[dmmarck]

I will agree with that. Most would blame Verizon too.

I did a few years ago. Turned out it was my phone.

Look, I do like the idea of a developer phone sold in stores, on the major carriers. Could mean more ppl to help test apps and the OS. Makes it better for the rest of us, makes it better for the masses, the general public.

I just don't think it's as well known as a developer phone as some think it is. We have some folks calling any tablet an iPad. 1-2 years ago most Android phones were called IPhones.

True.

By the same idea, I also find it hard to believe that people seeking out Android on the internet through a very popular and major forum with its own "development" section (for each and every applicable phone, mind you) would be shocked to hear that one of the purposes of the Nexus is development, especially if they just gander at the activity of the forum and other forums via a simple Google search. Perhaps b/c it's AC (and the General Section, never the less, which appeals to a more "middle of the road" user) and not XDA/RootzWiki I should lower my expectations.

Sure, the GN might not be marketed as such, but really, marketing is all puffery nowadays (and puffery isn't actionable, trust me I'm not a doctor). Android has and will be defined by its community, may it be at the macro level (carriers, brands) or the micro level (devs, users). It's essentially the unix/linux of mobility, and that's not a bad thing. But having some perspective on that is necessary for most users, at least IMHO. My mother wouldn't know what the hell to do with my phone, but she's a freakin' champ with the fruit.

But I do know what to do with my phone. And I knew that the Nexus had an easily unlockable bootloader too. Am I the minority? Who knows. Doesn't really matter, because again, puffery isn't actionable. That's why you see very little actual promises nowadays--warranties cost too much to make general.

 

[jroc]

True.

By the same idea, I also find it hard to believe that people seeking out Android on the internet through a very popular and major forum with its own "development" section (for each and every applicable phone, mind you) would be shocked to hear that one of the purposes of the Nexus is development, especially if they just gander at the activity of the forum and other forums via a simple Google search. Perhaps b/c it's AC (and the General Section, never the less, which appeals to a more "middle of the road" user) and not XDA/RootzWiki I should lower my expectations.

Sure, the GN might not be marketed as such, but really, marketing is all puffery nowadays (and puffery isn't actionable, trust me I'm not a doctor). Android has and will be defined by its community, may it be at the macro level (carriers, brands) or the micro level (devs, users). It's essentially the unix/linux of mobility, and that's not a bad thing. But having some perspective on that is necessary for most users, at least IMHO. My mother wouldn't know what the hell to do with my phone, but she's a freakin' champ with the fruit.

But I do know what to do with my phone. And I knew that the Nexus had an easily unlockable bootloader too. Am I the minority? Who knows. Doesn't really matter, because again, puffery isn't actionable. That's why you see very little actual promises nowadays--warranties cost too much to make general.

The thing with that....how many development sections are there for different Android phones? That are not developer phones? Phone with encrypted bootloaders?

Most might think what can be on one Android phone as far as development can be done on all. Until they start reading more about it...

Ppl that even root their phones is a small number....but the Nexus being known as a developer phone is supposed to be larger? Look at the influx of activity in Galaxy Nexus sections across the net. You can kinda tell who knew it was a developer phone and who didnt. You can tell who doesnt even really care about it being a developer phone anymore too.

Someone threw a number at me about iPhone jailbreakers sometime last year...something like 3-5 million. The iPhone has sold 2-3 million phones in a week once or twice IIRC. If that number is still the same...compare that to how many iPhones has been sold in a year. Jailbreakers make up a small part of iPhone users. You have kids in jr high, even elementary wanting an iPhone. How many in jr high or elementary would know what an Android developer phone is?

Nice lil debate about knowledge of development phones in this thread....I can tell you this is one area we will agree to disagree on...lol

 

[dmmarck]

The thing with that....how many development sections are there for different Android phones? That are not developer phones? Phone with encrypted bootloaders?

Most might think what can be on one Android phone as far as development can be done on all. Until they start reading more about it...

Ppl that even root their phones is a small number....but the Nexus being known as a developer phone is supposed to be larger? Look at the influx of activity in Galaxy Nexus sections across the net. You can kinda tell who knew it was a developer phone and who didnt. You can tell who doesnt even really care about it being a developer phone anymore too.

Someone threw a number at me about iPhone jailbreakers sometime last year...something like 3-5 million. The iPhone has sold 2-3 million phones in a week once or twice IIRC. If that number is still the same...compare that to how many iPhones has been sold in a year. Jailbreakers make up a small part of iPhone users. You have kids in jr high, even elementary wanting an iPhone. How many in jr high or elementary would know what an Android developer phone is?

Nice lil debate about knowledge of development phones in this thread....I can tell you this is one area we will agree to disagree on...lol

You mean the ones with signal and the ones without?

As much as I enjoyed this, it'll take some time to craft a reply. So until then, we can agree to disagree.

One thing I think we can both agree on is the GN was hailed as the next great Android, and it was marketed in such a fashion to make it seem like THE Android phone. This obviously skews things a bit.

But, that being said, folks with Androids and familiarity with the community know what Nexus means--hence the backlash over 2 apps. What's the proportion of those against the folks brought in through marketing? Who knows. Probably small though.

 

[dj hidroid]

The razr updates have been delayed and 4.0.5 is coming this month so who cares. If you do a bit of research you'll see that almost every device that has gotten an ICS update is experiencing random reboots and other issues so hopefully 4.05 will be a big leap forward for the Verizon G Nexus owners.