[Vacuus Dilectio#CB]

I think when we see reports come out that show 4.2 at only on 2.7% of devices, and then reviews come out that talk about lack of LTE ad-nauseum, they forget the value of speedy updates. While the Nexus 4 probably won't sell as much as the S3, I think at this price point you can't ignore the value of updates straight for Google. While yes, it has been like this on every other Nexus model (sans the Verizon Gnex) at this price point off contract is INCREDIBLE to me. To me the Nexus line has never been about hardware bleeding edge, it's about Android's bleeding edge. And that's generally something the general user doesn't experience. I think while they would have imagined they would have loved to have an LTE version, I don't think you can pretend it wouldn't have raised cost, and cut off their ability to update it. IMHO (and as a Gnex owner) I think that hurts the Nexus MORE than LTE. Or remind me again how well the LTE Galaxy Nexus sold?

[still1]

I think its because everyone knows about it. its obvious that many buy it for the fast update.
it has been said over and over again in forums and reviews.
so i think its ok to omit that. still could have a note about it.

[bdavis89]

Can't get those quick updates very quickly without LTE...

Updates is a major reason I'm getting the Nexus 4. As someone coming from a Droid X on CDMA 3g, I'm rather excited about HSPA+42.

[DirkBelig]

I think its because everyone knows about it. its obvious that many buy it for the fast update.

WRONG!!! Everyone doesn't necessarily know about it and many of these sites are positioned to be general tech sites. CNET covers HDTVs and computers and cell phones and cameras, so the fact that Nexus means "instant updates without waiting for makers and carriers bogging things down" is probably NOT general knowledge.

Remember that being in a forum like this can lead you to believe everyone knows as much as you do. I once discovered a friend had never updated her Facebook app on her OG EVO (same as I had at the time) because she never thought about it. She only got the OTA updates because they were forced upon her. Do you think someone like that knows that Nexus = updates?

The analogy I use is how I reacted to an article about Paul Westerberg that mentioned his tenure in The Replacements. It made me realize that, no, not everyone knows that he was in The Replacements. It's like a 16-year-old fan of Justin Timberlake movies like Friends with Benefits and The Social Network who doesn't know he was in a boy band and the New Mickey Mouse Club 15 years ago. Never assume what people know. The reviews should tout fast updates as a feature in addition to the ferocious bashing over the lack of LTE.

[ChromeJob]

Yesyesyes. Its why I'm getting one - - I'm sick of HTC not fixing my phone with software updates. The N7 has me sold on Nexus.

[blacksapphire08]

You guys do realize that HSPA+ is 4G too right? I have to agree with Google on this one, LTE is just a battery hog.

[ajonesma]

I had a Sprint Galaxy Nexus for the reason of the updates. Now it may not have been quick, but it was still the first device on Sprint to get JB. But I'll be leaving and going to T-Mobile for the Nexus 4....cant wait!

[Slender Troll]

You guys do realize that HSPA+ is 4G too right? I have to agree with Google on this one, LTE is just a battery hog.

Does that mean you will be able to use the 4G from AT&T?

Motorola Photon 4G

[Andrew Martonik]

Does that mean you will be able to use the 4G from AT&T?

Motorola Photon 4G

You will get HSPA+ 21 from AT&T. They call that "4G".

[LoSes]

Does that mean you will be able to use the 4G from AT&T?

Yeah you'll be able to use AT&T's "4G", they just never did 42Mbps HSPA.

[connorse]

Yes, the device is pentaband so it can work on both AT&T and T-Mobile's HSPA+.

Though some would argue that HSPA+ is 4G only in marketing terms, but that's another story for another day.

In relation to OP, I totally agree. I've only owned Nexus devices and i intend to keep it that way, solely for that reason.

[Ed 115]

exactly why I'm getting the nexus, no need to flash an aosp rom for the latest updates. So sick of carrier tyranny. Most sites are posting benchmarks below the Optimus g, is that due to 4.2?

[andr0idralphie]

How's about this; When I actually get one I'll come back to gloat over something I actually own rather than throwing textbook facts around.

[Andrew Martonik]

exactly why I'm getting the nexus, no need to flash an aosp rom for the latest updates. So sick of carrier tyranny. Most sites are posting benchmarks below the Optimus g, is that due to 4.2?

Benchmarks seriously don't matter.

[PWC Realtor]

The average consumer won't even get close to the Nexus 4 because the they are still on the contract system and conditioned to not spend more than $200 on a new phone when it's time to upgrade. I can't blame them since most carriers don't give a break to not be under contract.

[EnderTheThird]

Yeah, I got burned by the VZW GNex too. Even rooting with CM could only do so much, and I swear CM10 runs slower than stock (quite the opposite on my Evo 4G before that). I'm breaking my contract early, but even with the ETF, I should break even by the end of 2013 (when my contract would have been up) by saving $40+/mo with Straight Talk and selling my GNex on eBay.

[Kevin O'Quinn]

Because reviewers aren't supposed to review what the phone might be down the road. They have to review the phone as it is, and is it came to them. They can mention that it'll get updated, but anybody will tell you to buy a phone based on if it will do what you need the day you buy it.

[piizzadude]

...and the average consumer doesnt care. We do, they dont.

I tell everyone in the family that i can get them on this version or that version. I extol the virtues of the new version. The answer I get is "mine works the way I want it to, leave it alone".

I would say 90% on AC want updates, but it is more like 20% of your average consumer

[ChromeJob]

You guys do realize that HSPA+ is 4G too right?.. .

Actually... no, it's not. It's a beefed up 3G standard.

[blackcobra95#AC]

I think another thing that the nexus is not getting enough credit for is the price. An unlocked no contract phone going for at the most $349? Nothing compares. LTE is gonna be a no start for some but there would be no.way of getting to this price point if without major compromises.

[Small_law]

For one reason or the other, I've never picked up the HSPA version of a Nexus phone. After spending three years with phones I've wanted to be like the Nexus, but never really it, the only way to get something like it is to actually buy the one Google puts out itself. The Verizon GNex has been the best phone I've owned, but the updates came too slow. I'm switching. It's a shame, but until carriers sort out interoperable LTE networks, loosen provisioning, and CDMA goes away, the whole scene will be a mess. It's going to take a long time for that.

[piizzadude]

Memory is cheap, 400 for a 64gb model is more attractive

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[Beacio_mo]

For one reason or the other, I've never picked up the HSPA version of a Nexus phone. After spending three years with phones I've wanted to be like the Nexus, but never really it, the only way to get something like it is to actually buy the one Google puts out itself. The Verizon GNex has been the best phone I've owned, but the updates came too slow. I'm switching. It's a shame, but until carriers sort out interoperable LTE networks, loosen provisioning, and CDMA goes away, the whole scene will be a mess. It's going to take a long time for that.

I just got into Android about 6 months ago after being on iOS for years. Rooted my GS2 to CM9 and CM10 but don't get the stability my Nexus 7 has. Don't get me wrong, CM10 nightlys are great, but SODs are not fun when you rely on your phone for work.

I'm actually selling my phone to get the Nexus 4 when its available just for the stock updates, losing LTE in the process. The only other downside is I'll be using a Palm Pre Plus for the next week and a half lol

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[doublebullout]

Because reviewers aren't supposed to review what the phone might be down the road. They have to review the phone as it is, and is it came to them. They can mention that it'll get updated, but anybody will tell you to buy a phone based on if it will do what you need the day you buy it.

And that reminder may have just helped me make up my mind. I've been considering the Note 2, the Lumia 920 and the Nexus 4. Android 4.2 has features I really, really want and would use (like lockscreen widgets, expanded Google Now, built-in gesture typing and new camera UI.) Will the Note 2 get 4.2 and how soon? Don't know. Will WP8 mature and grow as an OS with a competitive ecosystem? Probably, but that's still a crap shoot at this point, even with Microsoft's resources behind the effort. So the Nexus 4 could be the best device for me today. And that's what should matter most.

[obi5683]

Actually... no, it's not. It's a beefed up 3G standard.

This.