06-27-2011 01:25 PM
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  1. sjamie's Avatar
    And with the 3D, for the first time I don't have to have the volume all the way up to hear people....it's almost too loud then.

    Much different than my Pre.
    I feel you on that one! Thank God for the homebrew increase volume patch.
    06-23-2011 03:57 PM
  2. sjamie's Avatar
    HP VEER., when they announced it I knew they weren't serious about hardware and I had to GTFO
    Also stupid things like Shazam and Words with Friends, why be left out?
    Yes, I AM tired of being left out of all of the cool apps out there!
    06-23-2011 03:58 PM
  3. zmann's Avatar
    That's helpful, thanks! Do you miss the Pre's physical keyboard?
    I swore I would always need a keyboard, but there is dozens of keyboards to chose from, you must choose the one right for you. I settled on SwiftKey. After a few weeks it knows what your gonna say with just a press of a key,, pretty freakie sometimes but it learns you, is what i am trying to say. I now would never want a keyboard again

    EVO - LUTION 3D
    06-23-2011 03:58 PM
  4. Melaza's Avatar
    Amazing people still own a pre
    I still do, but today is the last full day! Bring on the Evo 3D!!!
    06-23-2011 04:03 PM
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  6. BMWodarski's Avatar
    This is copy and pasted from my Precentral post about why I'm leaving webOS for Android/Evo 3D.
    /*Begin quote
    Personally, I've given up with HP/Palm. I've had a Pre- since launch day. I've even at points been a huge preacher for webOS in general. Talking a few people I know in to buying one. I love the community, I like the beautifully intuitive nature of webOS. But I was lied to about flash hitting my phone. I'm currently on my 4th pre. Mainly for broken power buttons. My current phone I have to wiggle it in the Oreo fashion to get the speaker to work, even when I'm using a Bluetooth headset. All of them have had cracks originating from the power socket. I've been playing with webOS 2.1 on my phone for about a week and while the features it provides are great it does tend to slow the phone down considerably. The recent locking out of 3rd parties from posting the app catalog is kind of the icing on the cake as to why I'm leaving webOS behind me. It was the community that was my favorite part of my phone. Back in the day the homebrew community showed Palm a thing or two about what this device could actually do.

    All that being said I have decided to jump ship and go to Android. I'm not too thrilled about the decision but I believe it is one that I need to get enjoyment out of my phone. The features of webOS are great but if little to no one develops for it then what is the point? This could change in the future but I don't see it happening. I may in fact be wrong on this point and feel free to correct me but has H/Palm released camera or microphone API's yet? I know it had been talked about years ago but has it come to fruition yet? The relationship has soured in to unfulfilled promises in my humble opinion and I hope that maybe in the future webOS gets its stuff together goes to rehab and comes back a better mobile OS. But I'm not going to sit around and wait for that day. I as a consumer shouldn't be treated like that.

    Reading the last few sentences aloud makes it sound like webOS is my ex-girlfriend. It's true though I love her but our relationship can not continue in it's current state. Anyway it's been great to be apart of this community and I hope one day I can come back and start fresh with webOS.

    Cheers.

    End Quote*/

    The reason why i'm picking the Evo 3D are as follows.

    1. I'm on Sprint and do not want to leave.
    2. The phone looks gorgeous. I've played with an open one at Radio Shack and it feels amazing in the hand.
    3. I can get an otterbox for this phone on day 1.
    4. Dual Core 1.2ghz processor vs my pre which has a 500mhz single processor is OC to 1ghz. Substantial improvement.
    5. Takes my ram from 256mb to 1gb of on board ram. Allowing me to do more things at once. My pre can do maybe 2 or 3 apps at most before bogging down.
    6. The 3D stuff does entice me. I do own a Panasonic TC-P50GT25 3D Plasma TV and it'd be great to throw those videos and pictures on that TV to view with friends.
    7. Higher resolution screen. Looks crisper and it has Gorilla Glass. My current pre screen is scratched to hell.
    8. I work at a job with a lot of down time and the building I'm in does get 4G support from Sprint. So streaming netflix or tethering to my laptop, tablet, or psp (soon to be vita) will be nice and hella quicker than using freeTether on my pre.
    06-23-2011 04:15 PM
  7. zmann's Avatar
    Yup, i have read this before, lol

    EVO - LUTION 3D
    06-23-2011 04:25 PM
  8. Jc3's Avatar
    I played with the original EVO in the Sprint store and it looked pretty cool yet GINORMOUS. I don't know how it would feel to walk around with a mini netbook on my belt. The PRE really does fit in your palm and I like the form factor. I'm just getting tired of the issues plus Palm gets totally neglected in the app department.

    What makes Sense so hot?
    well i'm not sure how it would feel on a belt... i keep my front right pocket reserved for my phone and my phone alone. the big size is a plus for a smart phone if you ask me, it's just way easier to use a touch screen when you have more realestate. tho i would never want a screen bigger i think.

    sense is just a really well thought out ui, i didn't' fully appreciate it until i had tried android on my wifes LG smart phone. i even switched back to froyo with sense after awhile with cm7, which is basically stock android with some tweaks. i guess i would say it just makes using the phone a better experience... it's hard to pin point why exactly.
    06-23-2011 04:42 PM
  9. sjamie's Avatar
    This is copy and pasted from my Precentral post about why I'm leaving webOS for Android/Evo 3D.
    /*Begin quote
    Personally, I've given up with HP/Palm. I've had a Pre- since launch day. I've even at points been a huge preacher for webOS in general. Talking a few people I know in to buying one. I love the community, I like the beautifully intuitive nature of webOS. But I was lied to about flash hitting my phone. I'm currently on my 4th pre. Mainly for broken power buttons. My current phone I have to wiggle it in the Oreo fashion to get the speaker to work, even when I'm using a Bluetooth headset. All of them have had cracks originating from the power socket. I've been playing with webOS 2.1 on my phone for about a week and while the features it provides are great it does tend to slow the phone down considerably. The recent locking out of 3rd parties from posting the app catalog is kind of the icing on the cake as to why I'm leaving webOS behind me. It was the community that was my favorite part of my phone. Back in the day the homebrew community showed Palm a thing or two about what this device could actually do.

    All that being said I have decided to jump ship and go to Android. I'm not too thrilled about the decision but I believe it is one that I need to get enjoyment out of my phone. The features of webOS are great but if little to no one develops for it then what is the point? This could change in the future but I don't see it happening. I may in fact be wrong on this point and feel free to correct me but has H/Palm released camera or microphone API's yet? I know it had been talked about years ago but has it come to fruition yet? The relationship has soured in to unfulfilled promises in my humble opinion and I hope that maybe in the future webOS gets its stuff together goes to rehab and comes back a better mobile OS. But I'm not going to sit around and wait for that day. I as a consumer shouldn't be treated like that.

    Reading the last few sentences aloud makes it sound like webOS is my ex-girlfriend. It's true though I love her but our relationship can not continue in it's current state. Anyway it's been great to be apart of this community and I hope one day I can come back and start fresh with webOS.

    Cheers.

    End Quote*/

    The reason why i'm picking the Evo 3D are as follows.

    1. I'm on Sprint and do not want to leave.
    2. The phone looks gorgeous. I've played with an open one at Radio Shack and it feels amazing in the hand.
    3. I can get an otterbox for this phone on day 1.
    4. Dual Core 1.2ghz processor vs my pre which has a 500mhz single processor is OC to 1ghz. Substantial improvement.
    5. Takes my ram from 256mb to 1gb of on board ram. Allowing me to do more things at once. My pre can do maybe 2 or 3 apps at most before bogging down.
    6. The 3D stuff does entice me. I do own a Panasonic TC-P50GT25 3D Plasma TV and it'd be great to throw those videos and pictures on that TV to view with friends.
    7. Higher resolution screen. Looks crisper and it has Gorilla Glass. My current pre screen is scratched to hell.
    8. I work at a job with a lot of down time and the building I'm in does get 4G support from Sprint. So streaming netflix or tethering to my laptop, tablet, or psp (soon to be vita) will be nice and hella quicker than using freeTether on my pre.
    Very helpful, thank you!
    06-23-2011 04:57 PM
  10. SeanBlader's Avatar
    I was first in line at my Sprint store for the Pre, I was excited that Palm was trying to compete again and I started the line just before the store closed the day before release. Had it for a year, but without corporate support and upgraded hardware and more useful applications I switched to the Evo 4G when it was released and now at this point I couldn't imagine going back to the Palm which is thicker, and has a smaller screen. Sure the Palm feels good in your hand and was a major upgrade from my Nokia N95, but the Evo is faster, more viewable and fits in the pocket nicer.

    At this point having had bad experiences with HP's product quality, I would personally call Palm over, which is unfortunate, I enjoyed my Palm V, Tungsten, and Pre.
    06-23-2011 05:03 PM
  11. cooknn's Avatar
    Here's my thought on the subject. I was a launch Palm pre owner. Now I sport an Evo Shift. Do I like Android? Much more now with Gingerbread. And secondly, I am ruined for HTC Sense. Actually jones'n for Sense 3 and an overclocked kernel so I can run it

    webOS is like your first girlfriend. She lasted several months or maybe even a year, but you moved on. You'll never forget her, but change was necessary. Just remember, Matias Duarte is now with Google and is hard at work improving the Android user experience. Yes, he was the one who pretty much made webOS what it was that we fell in love with. It just never took off. Can't explain it. It just wasn't meant to be I guess.

    Good luck with whatever you decide!
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    06-23-2011 05:05 PM
  12. jll3174's Avatar
    Ok, I am on the verge of picking up this new EVO 3D but I'm definitely on the fence. I LOVE WebOS but I'm getting tired of the constant lag and MANY glitches. I own a launch day Palm PRE and I'm sure/hoping some of these issues will get worked out with the impeding arrival of the PRE 3 but of course, there's no release date. The Touchpad looks promising especially with the Touch-to-Share integration feature with the PRE 3. The specs of the EVO 3D simply looks amazing. I'm SO torn!

    Please provide some "real" reasons to switch or not. Don't just say things like the EVO or PRE rocks!

    This is a serious plea for help. Thanks!
    I was a first day Pre owner as well. Received the EVO 3D today and can't really say I miss much. It is still taking me a while to get adjusted to the size of the phone. This phone is so quick and responsive. I hated how long it used to take the Pre to boot up. I have rebooted the EVO 3D and just laugh at how I wasted two years of my life with crap. Call quality is no isssue, signal strength is much better, functionality of this phone is AWESOME!!!! HP will probably never see MY money again.
    06-23-2011 05:27 PM
  13. rlangley21's Avatar
    I was a Palm Pre evangelist for a long time. Talked my wife, my dad, my brother, three friends at work and anybody else I could find into buying a Pre. The reasons I am switching to the Evo 3D are:

    1) Can't stand the way HP has taken over Palm. They are more interested in selling the Touchpad than selling phones. This is a huge mistake IMO, but HP is a computer company. They think they can sell the tablet and then people will want the phone. I believe the order is the other way around. People will buy the tablet because of the phone. They still haven't announced a release date or carrier relationships for the Pre3?!?!? It was announced just after CTIA, but again, they're focused on the Touchpad, not the phone. I don't want a tablet. I want a smartphone. (And with a 4.3 inch screen it's practically a tablet anyway.)

    2) I will not switch from Sprint. Even while everyone else was moaning and groaning about Sprint's customer service, they have always treated me right, fairly, and pretty much given me anything I've asked for. Since I'm a Gold Premier customer (over 10 years), I get perks the other carriers don't offer. We haven't seen any rumors, clues, leaks, etc. that Sprint is getting the Pre3. I can't wait around forever when the crappy hardware that was the Pre- is falling apart in my hand. The original Evo has been the flagship device for the past year and it's still being upgraded. I can't imagine the Evo 3D is going to be anything but the true successor for that title.

    3) webOS is the best mobile OS on the market, and I think it still can be. But with Gingerbread, Google is making gains and Sense 3.0 seems really cool. I will have to get used to Android multi-tasking and the software keyboard, but those things can be adjusted to. webOS multi-tasking is absolutely sweet. I love being able to switch between apps with just a flick. That's the thing I'm hoping Android has improved the most from previous versions of the OS.

    4) Apps - even if you only use a few apps, having so many to choose from is exciting. Homebrew is what kept Palm and the Pre- going. Now even the homebrew crew is being forced to upgrade to the new Enyo SDK along with the regular developers. Since we have no info on new hardware for Sprint, why am I being left behind? I have a perfectly good upgrade available and I will use it tomorrow.

    5) At the keynote presentation in Feb, one of the presenters said that people who had the original Pre "would be taken care of." Once again, no info about what that means. We kept Palm afloat those first months until HP came along. Will be taken care of? Who knows? No one is talking about that. Again, all they care about is releasing the Touchpad.

    6) I use most of the Google apps, Gmail, etc, so why not use the OS that is most optimized for those apps?

    I had hopes that HP would come along and really make webOS shine. To me, all they have done is take the luster off. I will miss webOS, but I think the opportunities are greater with Android than with webOS. So tomorrow at 1pm, I have an appointment with the Best Buy Mobile staff to switch both my wife and I to HTC Evo 3D's. So long webOS!
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    06-23-2011 05:38 PM
  14. cashdude1971's Avatar
    I was lucky enough to get an Evo 3D yesterday and let me tell you I have not even looked at my day 1 Pre. I honestly am not missing the cards as much as I thought I would. Widgets are really neat ans Sense 3.0 is FULLY cutomizable...you can literally setup each screen exactly how you want and there are 7 screens per scene. A scene is basically just a set of screens cusomized in a certain way...they are preloaded but you can customize it however you want.

    The Evo 3D is the fastest phone I have seen...it is so responsive and does exactly what I ask it to without complaining...or slowing down.

    Don't listen to this gimmick crap the 3D is neat but even if you never use it this is the best phone available on Sprint and I would agrue it being one of the if not the best available phones on the market. If anything touch to share is more a gimmick than the 3D...I carry a phone for convenience and to me carrying a tablet sized device is not convenient at all. When at a movie I can search the web just fine no need to have a tablet around to make the experience more enjoyable.

    You are concerned about the Evo 3D size...don't be...my wife has an original Evo and it is beastly...the Evo 3D is a more stremlined "fit" version of the original Evo. It is not as wide and a little taller making it easier to hold in one hand and use.

    When I first started researching Android and Sense I was concerned about the multitasking...it may not be as great as WebOs but it is not that far behind either. There really is no question whether or not you should upgrade...the Pre is almost 3 years old and has had little to none support for it. The Evo 3D on the day it was released had an update available(albeit one that really screwed more than it fixed).

    Also, 200,000 APPS I am going to post it again for dramatic effect 200,000. I can't tell you how nice it is to browse the Android app store brother...that alone is reason to get away from HP and the Pre lineup and pitiful 10,000 apss with maybe a handful of useful apps.

    Any more questions?
    As for me too...I was holding out for the Pre 3. I love the multi-tasking on the WebOS far better than the iOS and Android...so I thought. Got my EVO 3D yesterday and well...could not be more happy that I made the switch! I wish HP WebOS the best and maybe in the future I might go back, but as for now, I am completely happy that I switched.
    06-23-2011 05:43 PM
  15. EEEMasta's Avatar
    "Two cups and a string" - OUCH! What are some of the advantages of this phone over the PRE?
    I'm not going to read through all of the other posts yet, but I want to tell you that I am upgrading tomorrow from an original launch day Palm Pre to an Evo 3d. The reasons are endless dude.

    1. Far better screen and resolution. The pre's screen looked great and still looks good, but it is just outmatched by this one. Plus I heard this screen is behind gorilla glass, which is a godsend. My 2nd pre (im on my 3rd now...build quality is terrible) got its screen chipped the SECOND I got in my car after getting it as a replacement to my first just because it slid off of my passenger seat...so pissed.

    2. Way faster. This our phone runs at 500mhz factory, and up to 1Ghz if you overclock it, but your phone will pay the price, my 2nd pre died because of overclocking among other issues I think. This new one has a dual core processor, and is factory 1.2 ghz, which if Rooted probably could be brought up to its natural 1.5ghz (they nerfed the speed for battery reasons)

    3. Android. I was on the fence about switching too because I LOVE WebOS. But we got left behind man. Once they stopped rolling out the updates and refused to bring any of their other phones to Sprint, we were left behind. Hell, even some of the original android smartphones are getting updated still. Plus, the android app catalog is super sweet, all the awesome apps my buddies have been playing with I now get to try out for myself. I loved WebOS, but its app store was and is garbage. And Sense 3.0 looks so cool, plus visual voicemail which I have to download an app for on the Pre.

    4. Expandable memory. I HATED how the pre was a locked 8gb with no option for expansion. I have 22 gigs of music, and have to fit my favorites on to an 8 gb player? Made it tough. I just bought a 32gb Class 10 micro sd card, and Im going to slap it into that baby first second I have that phone, load it with all the music and movies I want and still have space left over.

    5. Dedicated camera shutter button, plus the option of 3D. Whether you like the 3D or not, you have the option of using it, which is still nice. And the camera on this blows away our Pre's.

    Honestly, there are more reasons too, like the 4G speeds rivaling broadband, the wireless N that our phones so noticeably lack, but I think any one of those is a reason to upgrade over our phones. The next Palm, er, excuse me, HP phone just isn't worth waiting for.
    06-23-2011 05:48 PM
  16. patchs's Avatar
    Launch day Pre owner.
    What those guys said above, me too.
    I'll miss Web OS multitasking but I'm looking forward to real apps, amazing screen and blazing fast processor.
    You blew it HP, you kicked all of us original Pre owners to the curb.
    06-23-2011 06:12 PM
  17. franky_402's Avatar
    my friend is getting the 3d tomorrow and i just got mine today, he hung up on me when i was telling him how amazing this phone is. He has plans to brutally murder his pre this weekend (were recording it in 3d btw) if you have ever used google maps on the pre imagine what its like to click maps and within a second be able to move around. My friend has his overclocked to 1ghz numerous patches to make it functional. So lets make a list!!

    Pros
    lightning fast
    sense
    battery life
    screen real estate
    3d
    dedicated shutter button
    3 cameras
    lots and lots of apps
    angry birds updates LOL
    4g
    qhd slcd display
    SPEED
    dlna
    wireless n
    gorilla glass
    expandable storage
    great company
    And im sure much more

    cons
    size of device (for some it grows on you for sure, i wouldnt go without it)
    gesture area

    now before you think i am a android fanboy i got the pre a month after launch and loved it. Ive actually developed apps for it, and ive help palm with the sale of about 7 pre's but once i got the evo4g last year i feel sorry for hpalm and anyone stuck on that side. I personally promise you that you will fall in love with the absolute speed and really everything about this phone. Buy it and if you dont like it for some reason (your crazy lol) return it and go back to the pre. It was a great phone but bad support and dare we say marketing (creepy pale lady comes to mind) just ruined everything. WebOS had enormous potential to be a great os however now i feel like they have slipped too far behind and they will never truly catch up. Theres a reason 400,000+ android devices are activated daily!!!
    06-23-2011 06:28 PM
  18. sjamie's Avatar
    All of you are providing me with great reasons to switch, thank you!

    Other than WebOS multitasking and the Touchstone, is there anything else I "might" regret losing from the Pre?
    06-23-2011 06:53 PM
  19. EEEMasta's Avatar
    All of you are providing me with great reasons to switch, thank you!

    Other than WebOS multitasking and the Touchstone, is there anything else I "might" regret losing from the Pre?
    So far the only thing I have encountered is iTunes support. It was extremely convenient to just sync my Pre with the old version of iTunes and update my songs. Now I am trying to adjust to Doubletwist and all those other less convenient options. But so far that's all. I am going to miss the webOS multitasking, but it looks like the 3D can multitask all of the stuff I would be multitasking on the Pre anyway, so that won't be that bad.
    Ill tell you what I am not going to miss though, my Pre taking 5 minutes to start up. Mothereffing ridiculous.
    06-23-2011 07:03 PM
  20. sjamie's Avatar
    So far the only thing I have encountered is iTunes support. It was extremely convenient to just sync my Pre with the old version of iTunes and update my songs. Now I am trying to adjust to Doubletwist and all those other less convenient options. But so far that's all. I am going to miss the webOS multitasking, but it looks like the 3D can multitask all of the stuff I would be multitasking on the Pre anyway, so that won't be that bad.
    Ill tell you what I am not going to miss though, my Pre taking 5 minutes to start up. Mothereffing ridiculous.
    That's very comforting! The boot time of the Pre IS absolutely ridiculous! How long does it take for the E3D to do a cold boot?
    06-23-2011 07:11 PM
  21. franky_402's Avatar
    So far the only thing I have encountered is iTunes support. It was extremely convenient to just sync my Pre with the old version of iTunes and update my songs. Now I am trying to adjust to Doubletwist and all those other less convenient options. But so far that's all. I am going to miss the webOS multitasking, but it looks like the 3D can multitask all of the stuff I would be multitasking on the Pre anyway, so that won't be that bad.
    Ill tell you what I am not going to miss though, my Pre taking 5 minutes to start up. Mothereffing ridiculous.
    fastboot enables the evo to boot up in like 10 seconds, however a full power on is about 35 seconds it seems, maybe even less, i think ill time it really quick lol

    EDIT**

    fastboot is 11 seconds to lockscreen
    full power on is about 32 seconds to lock screen
    06-23-2011 07:12 PM
  22. sjamie's Avatar
    Wow.... even a full minute would be awesome compared to my Pre (5 minutes+)!
    06-23-2011 08:02 PM
  23. divechief's Avatar
    10 year palm loyalist, Pre minus in the first week. I miss the Pre multi tasking I miss the touchstone.

    I think I am really going to like the 3D, but there is a short learning curve.

    I got my 3D today, Issues activating it forced me to go to the sprint store. I mentioned that it would be nice to have a screen protector. She said she would check and see if she could sell them before tomorrow. She came back with over 1/2 dozen cases. I ended up with the Otter box defender for the 3D. It rocks.
    06-23-2011 08:10 PM
  24. sole_elite_xx3's Avatar
    what a stupid question.
    06-23-2011 08:27 PM
  25. rahrah12's Avatar
    I have been with Palm for years (Treo)...I have had the Pre minus since day one. Although it was on its last leg I still had the original.

    I have had the Evo 3D going on my second day now...

    Couple of things that I miss is the multi tasking and the gestures. I also miss how easy the Pre did synergy.

    But even with all of that I am really enjoying getting familiar with this phone. It is fast and I like the table form.
    06-23-2011 08:38 PM
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