16 gigs is just way too small, I don't want to put stuff on the cloud.

[minnemike]

Just got back from my trip to Newport Beach, CA last week - perfect reception there and the rest of SoCal too. Streamed live radio and mp3s from my NAS in MN with my bluetooth speaker, sitting on the beach overlooking the pacific. Pure heaven.

I imagine they have that area pretty well saturated though. I have to say though, most places where I find the need and time for access to large amounts of media, there is always wifi too (hotels, malls, coffeeshops, etc).

 

[TheLibertarian]

My argument from the beginning was that the lack of SD is pushing their nerd agenda...it is not because of cost. I have been saying that for several pages now.

Other people have been making excuses for google regarding the cost of SD...that has never been my argument.

It wasn't?

If the laptop maker had the option of adding a hard drive for little or no money, and chose not to purely for ideological reasons, you might be more annoyed.

Interesting.

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How is this a "nerd agenda?" Could you be less open minded?

No, Jeff Denver, the more you complain, it still likely won't bother Google.

First off, Google is a company that thrives on information, something they can gather more of if you use their cloud services.

Secondly, there are hundreds of choices of Android products. That's how capitalism works. If you don't like a product, move on and find one you prefer. How do you honestly not understand this? Google is not in the business of making the best phone. They make a subsidized, developer phone that certainly isn't for everyone (read: it's not for you).

Thirdly, the Nexus devices aren't mainstream devices selling tens of millions of units. It's a developer device, and Google will make it as it sees fit.

98% of Google's revenue comes from advertising. Do you know how much comes from this device? What incentive does Google have to listen to one very misguided user? Whether Google sells ten Nexus 4's, or ten million, the profit they receive, if any, is next to worthless to Google.

Why would you buy a product and throw a tantrum about its shortcomings when it was your own intelligence that failed you and led you to this decision?

 

[JeffDenver]

I imagine they have that area pretty well saturated though. I have to say though, most places where I find the need and time for access to large amounts of media, there is always wifi too (hotels, malls, coffeeshops, etc).

In my experience they usually come with strings. At the very least, you have to beg them for a password. Starbucks requires a purchase to use their wifi here.

That is never going to be as convenient as local storage. It is a bandaid, not a cure.

 

[Rule9]

It wasn't?



Interesting.

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How is this a "nerd agenda?" Could you be less open minded?

No, Jeff Denver, the more you complain, it still likely won't bother Google.

First off, Google is a company that thrives on information, something they can gather more of if you use their cloud services.

Secondly, there are hundreds of choices of Android products. That's how capitalism works. If you don't like a product, move on and find one you prefer. How do you honestly not understand this? Google is not in the business of making the best phone. They make a subsidized, developer phone that certainly isn't for everyone (read: it's not for you).

Thirdly, the Nexus devices aren't mainstream devices selling tens of millions of units. It's a developer device, and Google will make it as it sees fit.

98% of Google's revenue comes from advertising. Do you know how much comes from this device? What incentive does Google have to listen to one very misguided user? Whether Google sells ten Nexus 4's, or ten million, the profit they receive, if any, is next to worthless to Google.

Why would you buy a product and throw a tantrum about its shortcomings when it was your own intelligence that failed you and led you to this decision?

Excellent points, very well stated

 

[minnemike]

In my experience they usually come with strings. At the very least, you have to beg them for a password. Starbucks requires a purchase to use their wifi here.

That is never going to be as convenient as local storage. It is a bandaid, not a cure.

Strings? Bah. I was also at the Disneyland Hotel. Their string is that you click an agreement, then it works. There is also a string with SD cards - you can lose them or they go corrupted.LOL

I think we can agree that the Nexus, Google and the associated business model is simply not for you. Not sure why you want to bang your head against this wall until the end of time, but that is what will happen.

 

[JeffDenver]

Strings? Bah. I was also at the Disneyland Hotel. Their string is that you click an agreement, then it works.

If all businesses worked the same way, you'd have a really good point.

There is also a string with SD cards - you can lose them or they go corrupted.LOL

Um...how do you lose SD cards when they are sitting under the battery of your phone? Has that ever happened even once? LOL

Never had a single issue with corruption (All phones I have had since 2009 had SD). Even if I did, I am betting it would happen FAR less than cell outages do. And even then...I have the exact same access to the cloud anyway. With SD you do not have to pick and choose. You can have both.

I think we can agree that the Nexus, Google and the associated business model is simply not for you.

If you completely ignore my reasons for still buying the Nexus, then I completely agree. I could repeat them again, but you ignored them the last two times. So I suspect you just don't want to hear them.

Not sure why you want to bang your head against this wall until the end of time

I could ask the exact same thing of you. Why are you debating this if it doesn't matter to you? What is the point of continued responses?

 

[Captainbob767]

In my experience they usually come with strings. At the very least, you have to beg them for a password. Starbucks requires a purchase to use their wifi here.

That is never going to be as convenient as local storage. It is a bandaid, not a cure.

How do you make up the stuff that you spew on this forum. I have traveled all over the US, and Canada and don't run into the issues that you complain about. God, give it a rest.....

 

[Aquila]

Starbucks requires a purchase to use their wifi

Yeah, being a customer is usually a benefit in the agreement to use their services. Were you trying to say something else?

 

[JeffDenver]

Yes, I must just be imagining it. Nevermind.

Unfortunately, finding free Wi-Fi hot spots isn't always easy. Spending just a few dollars a day for Wi-Fi access can add up pretty quickly and shoot a hole in your budget.
5 ways to find free Wi-Fi wherever you go | Fox News

 

[minnemike]

I could ask the exact same thing of you. Why are you debating this if it doesn't matter to you? What is the point of continued responses?

I already answered that. I find it entertaining. It's like watching an intersection with broken traffic lights.

 

[Scott7217]

I think the Google Edition phones will probably be the equivalent of the Nexus with micro SD support. Out of all the ones I've heard, I think the Sony Xperia Z is the closest one to the Nexus experience since it does not use physical buttons on the front.

I tried looking for an official Google feedback forum, but I only found stuff for their online services, like Gmail, Google Voice, and Google+. For the Nexus devices, you can log complaints if they're related to your order (e.g. lost shipments, defective products, etc.). I wonder how Google collects feedback on its products. I honestly don't know the answer.

Is there anything you would like changed that would go into the Nexus 5? I think everyone is expecting that to come out in November.

Which is why I stated that I'm not saying Google doesn't care about the consumer. I'm not arguing against choice neither. In order to reach a broader consumer base, there would need to be variety. The business model for the N4 is what it is. Will they change it? The possibility is there, but I would be very surprised if the N5 comes out with SD. I'm more inclined to believe they would come out with a 32gb model. I personally have not registered any complaints with Google, but have seen many, here and elsewhere, post that they have registered feedback and opened tickets with Google, so I know there are formal channels. Does this mean they won't read a forum. No, but in order to get to valuable feedback in forums like this, you would have to weed thru a lot of riff raff and posts from trolls. Nothing against this site, I like it, but I would never consider it an official channel for feedback.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4 Beta

 

[Scott7217]

They don't do it with phones because most people simply don't need that kind of storage with their phones. You have to realize you are a minority here. With tablets, from the start, they have always been large media devices running GB+ files and taking that aspect away would never make sense. Phones never had that purpose from the start. In fact, here is a clear case where Google is saying, buy both for all your needs. I have. It works perfectly for me. The tablet market has a little bit different competition. I think we hae to realize here that the N4 is more of a little cloud experiment for them. I hope they find it successful because they have made an extremely sleek device that fit me perfectly.

Also, necessity is the mother of invention and being "forced" into the cloud with this device has really led me to educate myself on all the ways to get media into this little thing. I can honestly say Google pushed me into the cloud and it has been rewarding.

Just so I understand you, is there less emphasis on the cloud with tablets, and that is the reason why they have more storage than smartphones? I would think tablets and smartphones would be equally capable of using the cloud, so neither one would need large amounts of storage, if I am following your reasoning correctly.

 

[Scott7217]

What surprises me are the people that act like the cloud is such a big problem to utilize. That is the direction that this technology is moving in, so people better get adjusted to it. I stream stuff all the time, but 85% of the time I am on wifi, so there is no data charge. I have 2 Gigs of data a month and have rarely used even 1/4 of it at the most.

I also use the cloud. My email is Gmail, of course. My photos are in Google+. My music is currently in Amazon (though I'll probably transition to Google Play). I stream video from YouTube. I have Google Drive and Dropbox. So I don't have anything against the cloud. I just want more local storage to complement the cloud, not replace it.

 

[Scott7217]

One obvious difference is there's no 3G radio in the 8GB Nexus 7 but there is in the 8GB Nexus 4.

So, if you don't have a 3G radio on your tablet, you need more storage? Why? Can't you access the cloud using wifi?

 

[Scott7217]

Only in aggregate and only in a true capitalist society without a minimum wage and other price floors/caps or government subsidies.

Well, when you put it that way...

If there are barriers to what customers want, then the customers must be more vocal in expressing their desires so that the providers of goods and services can meet their needs. Everyone benefits in the end.

 

[Scott7217]

Yeah - I find it nearly impossible to be somewhere where there isn't carrier coverage or wifi in the city. It's such a small niche needs these days to require enormous local storage. I guess if you are more rural, then there will be issues... but again, that is a small niche of the market.

I'm not so certain that enormous local storage only appeals to a niche crowd. If it were, we wouldn't have products with high capacity storage available for purchase. Someone must be buying them, right?

Anyway, consider yourself lucky that you have excellent cell signal coverage. I only hear that Verizon provides that level of coverage, and Verizon does not support the Nexus 4.

 

[Aquila]

I think the Google Edition phones will probably be the equivalent of the Nexus with micro SD support. Out of all the ones I've heard, I think the Sony Xperia Z is the closest one to the Nexus experience since it does not use physical buttons on the front.

I tried looking for an official Google feedback forum, but I only found stuff for their online services, like Gmail, Google Voice, and Google+. For the Nexus devices, you can log complaints if they're related to your order (e.g. lost shipments, defective products, etc.). I wonder how Google collects feedback on its products. I honestly don't know the answer.

Is there anything you would like changed that would go into the Nexus 5? I think everyone is expecting that to come out in November.

For all intents and purposes from the consumer's perspective, I believe the N5 is a done deal. Whatever prototypes have been offered to Google to select from have long been constructed. I have no idea of knowing if they've selected yet (but with it 4-5 months away, we can assume that if they haven't, it'll be within the next 30-60 days to give them time to establish production), but more than likely the bid devices are very similar to the 2013 flagships for each respective OEM.

 

[Scott7217]

Ha. Well that explains that. 8GB and no radio was an extreme experiment in the cloud that never worked for most. I would actually buy an 8G that had a radio too if it came so much cheaper.

Where do you think the 8 GB Nexus 7 went wrong? It's connected to the cloud via wifi, so the amount of local storage shouldn't affect its performance, right?

Anyway, I would support you if you wanted an 8 GB Nexus 7 with a 3G radio, just like I support the OP wanting a 32 GB Nexus 4. Choice is good.

 

[Scott7217]

Just got back from my trip to Newport Beach, CA last week - perfect reception there and the rest of SoCal too. Streamed live radio and mp3s from my NAS in MN with my bluetooth speaker, sitting on the beach overlooking the pacific. Pure heaven.

I imagine they have that area pretty well saturated though. I have to say though, most places where I find the need and time for access to large amounts of media, there is always wifi too (hotels, malls, coffeeshops, etc).

What carrier were you using in Newport Beach? Or were you on wifi?

 

[Scott7217]

Strings? Bah. I was also at the Disneyland Hotel. Their string is that you click an agreement, then it works. There is also a string with SD cards - you can lose them or they go corrupted.LOL

I think we can agree that the Nexus, Google and the associated business model is simply not for you. Not sure why you want to bang your head against this wall until the end of time, but that is what will happen.

You're probably safe in Disneyland. Just be careful in other public places. Some people like to set up fake hotspots to intercept your personal data.

It might be a good idea to implement Google's two-factor authentication, just in case. This is the lesson we learned after Mat Honan (from Wired Magazine) got his Gmail account hacked and he lost everything in the cloud.

Losing an SD card is just human error. Having an SD card fail is an hardware problem. All hardware fails, soon or later, but that doesn't mean that people don't use them.