7 days and this EVO LTE is going back!

[jmagnt7]

I believe this was started by a troll.

I've had phone since pre-order through sprint. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this phone.

Look s3 may be cool. Idk. My friend has never gotten a gps signal on his gs2. I think all android phone are superior in their own respect. However I clearly don't agree with this original post.
Phone is great. And full root is like 2 clicks away. Development and implementation of new android jelly bean or whatever Will be on Evo LTE b4 s3. Or a bunch of other phones. I know... Because. I've owned a og Evo4g for past 2yrs.
My new Evo LTE is simply amazing. Take the time to learn to use it. Heck I use Nova launcher..... Cause I like cm7. Waiting for cm9.

 

[EVO28312]

I believe this was started by a troll.

I've had phone since pre-order through sprint. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this phone.

Look s3 may be cool. Idk. My friend has never gotten a gps signal on his gs2. I think all android phone are superior in their own respect. However I clearly don't agree with this original post.
Phone is great. And full root is like 2 clicks away. Development and implementation of new android jelly bean or whatever Will be on Evo LTE b4 s3. Or a bunch of other phones. I know... Because. I've owned a og Evo4g for past 2yrs.
My new Evo LTE is simply amazing. Take the time to learn to use it. Heck I use Nova launcher..... Cause I like cm7. Waiting for cm9.

So let me get this straight your calling the op a troll because he's stating the issues the LTE has?? You say you owned the of EVO than you should know that it does not multitask the same and it has taken 2 steps back. This isn't trolling buddy just facts. Also the constant HTC reboots it does on a consistent bases. Also people don't always like using different launcher because they love HTC widgets and the reason why they Bought evo's. As far as root goes I my self absolutely have to Root my device but I'm the minority 1% as you are too. Lots of these issues can be fixed when is a whole different discussion. One thing they can't and won't fix is the way sense handles multitasking or lack there of. Which is mine and safe to say majority of power users who constantly go back and forth with there tasks only to have it reload and at times lose there place.

 

[01011000]

The EVO LTE is fresh on the market and I'm positive many of the major issues some unhappy users are reporting on will be addressed in a forthcoming and inevitable update.

 

[Impulses]

In my mind, one roots their phone to access functionality that was not intended for the phone. The things I am asking for are all things my previous phones did just fine, with the exception of Google wallet (which doesn't seem to be an issue with the phone itself). It also invalidates the warranty. I would be more open to it if the gs3 was not right around the corner.

I have never rooted my phone before, so I have many questions, like if there is a way to unroot if there is an official OTA update that I need to get. Also, if I unroot,does it break the apps that required root to begin with, or do they need root access for the original install?

If you're rooted you wouldn't wanna unroot for an OTA since devs will always post a rooted version of the OTA within hours (if not before its even out, since they're usually leaked beforehand), but you actually can if you absolutely want to. If you unroot, apps that require root access will no longer work.

Sprint actually doesn't care much whether devices are rooted when servicing them, I even handed in a rooted and bootloader unlocked EVO 4G for buy back credit last year ($125).

The FB contact pic thing is one of the first and easiest things you can fix once rooted, there's an app on the market by ChainsDD that basically fixes it in one click... See here:

Pocketables ? Get back your missing Facebook contact pics on your rooted HTC EVO 4G LTE

That particular issue isn't even HTC's fault and you may very well encounter it elsewhere unless the manufacturer has engineered a workaround (like ChainsDD did). Its very trivial to freeze the stock HTC launcher once rooted and switch to something like Apex too (which will rarely reload), you don't need root for that but you do need root to freeze the stock launcher so it doesn't consume extra memory.

Custom ROMs have already started tweaking memory values so that the multi tasking issue is greatly alleviated, but thats a more technical subject so ill just leave you with two articles on how to root (particularly without losing existing data) and a warning...I wouldn't jump from an HTC phone unto a Samsung one over software issues, at least HTC releases timely updates (particularly for the EVO line) and their OS mods aren't quite as garish (tho the new task switching menu blows, something root can also fix).

Pocketables ? RegawMOD HTC EVO 4G LTE Rooter provides mostly automatic root solution
Pocketables ? RegawMOD HTC EVO 4G LTE Rooter provides mostly automatic root solution

 

[Impulses]

I am a light phone user. Have never had a Sense reload. Have never had a reboot. Don't use Facebook (and never will). Have zero interest in Google Wallet. Super speed, battery, camera, and screen. Great form factor.

But you are certainly right about multitasking. It is BROKEN. About half the time, it is saves state and reloads the app, that is not multitasking. Combined with the WiFi dropping when the phone is asleep and no USB mass storage on internal partitions, in many ways it a worse OS experience than my Evo 3D was. All three can be fixed, but will HTC do it?

I believe the SGS3 operates the internal partition in the same way, that's how stock ICS does it on a Nexus device too... Wifi dropping while asleep happens largely at night for you doesnt it? Its a power saving mode HTC put in, there's a fix available for root users, rather crappy feature to have with no user control (specially when Wifi can save power!).

 

[Impulses]

Y are u complaining about having to root? Y did u even buy an android phone in the first place? It's based on linux which is what... Open Source software? Which means that developers will often make the best implementations and that will require u to root.

I've rooted every phone that can be rooted and never had an issue with Sprint, best buy, returns, trade-ins, nothing.

I guarantee the GS3 will have at least as many issues as the LTEVO. And guess what? If u don't root the GS3 you're gonna have to wait until Samsung updates it because u won't root. That means the LTEVO will have a fix before Samsung.

So, just go buy an iPhone already. Crying about silly Facebook pics. Facebook is a dieing trend as well as the iPhone. Android will always have a following because it allows u to decide what u want. Rooting is just a part of it all.

Sent from OG EVO LTE with Android Central Forums

That's a pretty condescending attitude, I agree the SGS3 may have just as many issues (past experience with Samsung phones almost guarantees it IMO) but two wrongs don't make a right.

Users shouldn't have to root to fix any issue whatsoever, the day Android devs or Google reps utter those words the OS is doomed. That being said, it is an option if you like to tinker. Also, a couple of issues mentioned in the thread are ICS issues rather than Sense/HTC issues.

 

[Impulses]

also not to mention the gs3 will only support 5x5 channels of lte and the evo will support 10x10 when sprint starts the upgrades to nv

Sprint won't be using 10x10 blocks anytime soon.... If you're really worried about connectivity you should be looking at the 800mhz spectrum that they're vacating by shutting down iDen, but that too won't be usable for another two years. Network design overhauls take time.

 

[Impulses]

Ok, go to settings-apps-running

How much RAM do u have free? Mine is around 80% used up but I don't have 200+ apps on mine.

If u cared to research rooting at all u would see that u can have your issues fixed and eat your sense cake too. Rooting is why Android is what it is. Linux is open sourced,.always has been.

Go buy an iPhone if u want functionality out of the box.

And I haven't had my phone restart once. Don't know what your referring too.

Sent from OG EVO LTE with Android Central Forums

Free memory isn't the issue, free memory is wasted memory. Android (like any modern OS, including Win7) is built to cache recently used apps in memory, only kicking them out as need arises...

The issues here are how HTC tweaks the memory values to determine when kicking apps from memory is necessary (they've probably gone too aggressive) and how much memory HTC reserves to keep certain Sense elements always loaded (like the launcher, which apparently still reloads often for some, may have to do something with the number of loaded Widgets).

The number of installed apps also has little to do with this, unless all/most of those apps are launching and loading themselves in the background.

 

[Impulses]

is there a one click method to bring it back to stock rom

Yes, its called a RUU.

 

[Impulses]

To everyone complaining about multitasking
if yall got what you wanted then yall would then be complaining about the battery life.
At the end of the day, this is still a "cell phone". if you want to multitask that bad then buy a tablet

My Transformer is actually a piss poor multi tasker under Honeycomb, the browserr tabs reload way more than even the worst case scenario described by any EVO user here... The ICS update had some major random reboot bugs tho and I've been waiting for ASUS to fix them before updating, looks like the recent (and third) ICS update may have finally done the trick.

 

[Mercury81]

I'm not having multitasking issues here,I guess I got the only perfect Evo4GLTE in the universe... Just saying:thumbup::thumbup:

sent from my Evo4LTE

 

[Impulses]

For all of the above that were asking about the Sense reloading issue, apart from the many, many, many threads and posts here in the Android Central LTE Forum that mention it (just do a search for "sense loading," "sense reloading," "sense resetting," "sense restarting," "sense crashing" "sense booting/re-booting," and "sense ate the last piece of cheesecake....") here is a brief history:

In general Sense has had "reloading upon return to home" troubles across platforms for about a year or so depending on the device and the update where it seems to have started:


http://androidforums.com/evo-shift-s...ing-issue.html

http://androidforums.com/htc-one-x/5...-crashing.html

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-touch-...htc-sense.html

Sprint Community: HTC Sense Issue Consolidation Thread

http://forum.xda-developers.com/arch...t-1139314.html

HTC Forums


HTC's "community" forum had a number of threads about it which pop up if you do a google search but seem to have been deleted:

http://community.htc.com/na/msgs/def...px?MessageID=9


Specifically with the EVO LTE:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...php?p=26735055

http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc...9-loading.html

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

This is also a problem on the One X:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/arch...t-1601619.html

For me, I started having problems with it on my OG Evo a few months ago after having the thing for a year and a half with it not being a problem. Can't be certain, but would not surprise me if it started happening after a Dolphin Browser update. I note in some threads that going to Dolphin mini seemed to help some people and exiting out of Chrome seems to be one of the biggest triggers to the problem.

So what to take from all of this? Well, it is clearly a known problem that has been around for some time so don't expect an OTA to fix it anytime soon. It seems to stem from (surprise, surprise) how much of the RAM Sense takes up and how sense handles conflicts for scarce resources. Therefore, if you only use the stock browser, close out apps totally, keep your cache cleared and don't do any thing too demanding RAM-wise, you may never experience the issue.

If it is a problem, then the third-party launchers do seem to take care of it and, of course, there is rooting. The only reason I have not rooted yet is that I am a bit lazy and i want to make sure there is not some sort of huge OTA update that will cause the dev's to rework their ROM's and also to give time for people like Viper to get all the tweaks and mods in place.

You know, there's a difference between Sense in general and the Sense launcher in specific (or Rosie as its often called at XDA and by HTC internally)... The Sense framework as a whole isnt reloading, just HTC's launcher, which has always been pretty poor compared to more efficient (and configurable) launchers like ADW, Nova, Launcher Pro, Apex, etc.

I didn't mean to pick on your post, just got tired of reading people write that "Sense" is reloading. Also, its not an issue endemic to Sense per se, but to resource starved phoned (or those not managing memory well). I recently switched back to the stock launcher on my EVO 3D since illl be selling it soon and I've yet to see it reload, it's pretty bare of widgets tho.

You can (and should) dump HTC's crappy launcher even if you're not gonna root, all you lose are a couple Sense-launcher specific widgets that you can easily replace with more configurable alternatives. It won't fix all reload issues, but it helps.

 

[Impulses]

Apex and Nova are the more popular ICS launchers btw, GoLauncher seems overloaded to me and doesn't have that ICS feel until skinned, ADW and LP have seemingly fallen behind.

 

[Mercury81]

You know, there's a difference between Sense in general and the Sense launcher in specific (or Rosie as its often called at XDA and by HTC internally)... The Sense framework as a whole isnt reloading, just HTC's launcher, which has always been pretty poor compared to more efficient (and configurable) launchers like ADW, Nova, Launcher Pro, Apex, etc.

I didn't mean to pick on your post, just got tired of reading people write that "Sense" is reloading. Also, its not an issue endemic to Sense per se, but to resource starved phoned (or those not managing memory well). I recently switched back to the stock launcher on my EVO 3D since illl be selling it soon and I've yet to see it reload, it's pretty bare of widgets tho.

You can (and should) dump HTC's crappy launcher even if you're not gonna root, all you lose are a couple Sense-launcher specific widgets that you can easily replace with more configurable alternatives. It won't fix all reload issues, but it helps.

Take note Samsung has had the same issues.... Just saying

sent from my Evo4LTE

 

[Impulses]

Or, I could....(.....wait for it.......) return this phone and purchase one that will give me great battery life AND multitasking (WHOA!!)

Look, When the OG Evo came out, many of us gave HTC a pass on the horrible battery life. It was a sacrifice we all mad eto have a state of the art, cutting edge high tech phone that blew away all others on the market, including the iphone 4. But HTC has had 2 years to get the battery life issue figured out. Other OEM's have done it without sacrificing feature set. If HTC cannot figure out how to make a competitive high end Android phone with good battery life without stripping away features as other Manufactures have done, then we need to look elsewhere.

The multi tasking issues have little to do with the great battery life, memory is gonna operate at X voltage whether it's loaded with Sense crap, your apps, or pictures of your cat. The great battery life is mostly due to the Qualcomm Krait S4 SoC...

Integrated radios, built on a smaller and more efficient 28nm process, dual A15 next gen cores, and all that jazz are what really gives the phone its longevity. Continuous browsing, call, and hotspots tests done by sites like Anandtech can't be cheated on thru software... The One X was second only to the RAZR MAXX in most tests and that phone has the advantage of a much larger battery obviously.

The SGS3 will use the same SoC tho, so it'll likely have very similar battery life, its just the best option for any LTE phone right now thanks to the integrated radios.

 

[shadowhawk2020]

I'm not having multitasking issues here,I guess I got the only perfect Evo4GLTE in the universe... Just saying:thumbup::thumbup:

sent from my Evo4LTE

Very helpful.

 

[Impulses]

This is exactly what I feel about my experience with the One X. HTC decided that instead of shipping this phone with enough RAM they would rather take features away from the customer. I think the fact that the SIII is coming with 2Gigs of RAM while using the same gpu and cpu speaks volumes about how HTC values giving its customers options.

So what does the European SGS3 only having 1GB say? You ask me they did it for marketing as much as anything, the S4 is at least on par with the quad Exynos and Tegra 3 SoCs but to many an uninformed mind less cores is still a big negative (nevermind that A15 cores on S4 are much faster clock for clock than A9 cores)... So they add more RAM and they have another highlight spec to brag about.

I'm not saying it won't help, because it sureky will... Just that it wasn't done wholly with the user experience in mind, so much as with selling more phones in mind. Samsung manufactures flash memory in house after all, the cost is fairly trivial.

 

[bwithey11]

a lot of these problems sound more like user ignorance than device shortcomings. had my EVO since May 24 and haven't had any problems except it keeps asking me to set my local time every 4 or 5 days.

 

[midmofan]

You know, there's a difference between Sense in general and the Sense launcher in specific (or Rosie as its often called at XDA and by HTC internally)... The Sense framework as a whole isnt reloading, just HTC's launcher, which has always been pretty poor compared to more efficient (and configurable) launchers like ADW, Nova, Launcher Pro, Apex, etc.

I didn't mean to pick on your post, just got tired of reading people write that "Sense" is reloading. Also, its not an issue endemic to Sense per se, but to resource starved phoned (or those not managing memory well). I recently switched back to the stock launcher on my EVO 3D since illl be selling it soon and I've yet to see it reload, it's pretty bare of widgets tho.

You can (and should) dump HTC's crappy launcher even if you're not gonna root, all you lose are a couple Sense-launcher specific widgets that you can easily replace with more configurable alternatives. It won't fix all reload issues, but it helps.

Yep I know the difference but the post was directed to those that seemingly did not know/did not believe there was an issue or thought nobody had had this pop up before or that HTC would fix this easily, and that is where the posts are. Pretty sure a search for "rosie reloading" " won't come up with much. That's because, programming notwithstanding, to most people Sense IS the launcher. Indeed that is how it is portrayed in the reviews and in HTC's releases and such.

NOVA solved the reloading problem for me, but still will root at some point to help with the multitasking and to get cool stuff.

 

[crxssi]

I've had phone since pre-order through sprint. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this phone.

So, there have been dozens of confirmations of several major issues, and you are calling all of us liars. Smooth.