A big Nexus 6 might be a big mistake for Google

[Robbie317]

Ok, I'll gladly take your money. How much you wanna bet?

Considering it would be kind of hard to verify who won and who lost.... We'd have to establish exactly what would constitute a fail and what would be a success.... and then Google usually keeps Nexus device numbers and sales $$$ private.... They don't release numbers like Apple and other MFG's do (or haven't in the past)

I am sure Google has a # in their minds when they decided to release a mammoth 6 inch device at $700+ (after taxes and shipping) They could consider 1 million phones a super success and anything over that pure gravy.....

 

[mcs]

Calm down, everyone...the newly updated Nexus page still lists the Nexus 5 prominently, along with the other newness, and I think significantly NOT the Nexus 7.

 

[Steve Roman_Be]

I hope they'll introduce a 5" model as soon as the Snapdragon 810 becomes available.

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[Sentrix]

This phone will fail.

The developers who used to purchase the Nexus phones which were known for their cheap price will balk at paying an extra $250 for the Nexus 6 over last years Nexus 5.

You're missing the point completely if you think this device is still aimed at only developers/tech-heads like us.

PS: I'm not balking

 

[deesugar]

You're missing the point completely if you think this device is still aimed at only developers/tech-heads like us.

I don't think you read my last paragraph:

"As good as this phone may be Google will fail to get any consumers to purchase this phone in droves because the smartphone market is too tight and they would have to spend as much or more on marketing then Apple or Samsung which they have never been known to do and don't show any signs of changing that."

The minute a customer walks into their mobile phone store looking to upgrade their phone they will be escorted over to an iPhone or a Samsung device. Neither the customer or the sales rep will talk about a Nexus device because neither person will know that much if anything about it.

 

[utopiate]

I'm sure developers will go to the play edition of the moto x. Sorry, but this costly 6in is a no go.

 

[Crimsonforce]

The big price tag is..

 

[Sentrix]

I don't think you read my last paragraph:

"As good as this phone may be Google will fail to get any consumers to purchase this phone in droves because the smartphone market is too tight and they would have to spend as much or more on marketing then Apple or Samsung which they have never been known to do and don't show any signs of changing that."

The minute a customer walks into their mobile phone store looking to upgrade their phone they will be escorted over to an iPhone or a Samsung device. Neither the customer or the sales rep will talk about a Nexus device because neither person will know that much if anything about it.

You're generalizing.
My part-time job is cellular sales. The majority of my co-workers know about the Nexus 6 and are excited for it.

A lot of people here assume it's all about commission, iPhones and Samsung devices and that's it. Not true.

 

[deesugar]

You're generalizing.

It's not just generalizing. It's a well known fact that the smartphone market is tough and Apple and Samsung are battling very hard for domination squeezing out other smartphone makers. You have to remember not too long people didn't care or knew that much about Samsung. Samsung did two things right. One, they made a better phone starting with the GALAXY S II and two, they started pouring a lot of money into marketing their phones. Great phones keep coming from HTC, LG, Motorola but they haven't poured money into marketing like Samsung did and consequently they don't have brand recognition like Apple and Samsung or their kind of sales.

My part-time job is cellular sales. The majority of my co-workers know about the Nexus 6 and are excited for it.

That would be the definition of generalizing

 

[Sentrix]

The minute a customer walks into their mobile phone store looking to upgrade their phone they will be escorted over to an iPhone or a Samsung device. Neither the customer or the sales rep will talk about a Nexus device because neither person will know that much if anything about it

My part-time job is cellular sales. The majority of my co-workers know about the Nexus 6 and are excited for it.

You made a generalization about every sales rep-customer interaction in the United States. No matter how hard I tried, there's no possible way I could out-generalize you, Dee. My statement was more of a check on yours than anything else. It's pretty clear to me that you can't handle the size, and because you can't handle it, you'd love to see it fail.

I hope you enjoy the Turbo, or whichever other smaller device you will get instead. I hope it succeeds.
You can start posting in those forums instead of here anytime....

 

[Robbie317]

Great phones keep coming from HTC, LG, Motorola but they haven't poured money into marketing like Samsung did and consequently they don't have brand recognition like Apple and Samsung or their kind of sales.

Very few companies in the world can afford the marketing budgets of Samsung or Apple... Heck Samsung spends more on marketing than I think the next 4 or 5 companies behind them combined.... They spent $14 BILLION in 2013.....

 

[deesugar]

Very few companies in the world can afford the marketing budgets of Samsung or Apple... Heck Samsung spends more on marketing than I think the next 4 or 5 companies behind them combined.... They spent $14 BILLION in 2013.....

Exactly!

Although Google could if it wanted to.

 

[deesugar]

It's pretty clear to me that you can't handle the size, and because you can't handle it, you'd love to see it fail.

That's just a silly and over emotional comment.

Both the Nexus 6 and Droid Turbo and made by Motorola. I currently use a Moto X. If companies like Motorola fail then there won't be any Moto X and Droid phones. So to the contrary I want all Android phones and iPhones to succeed because it's good for everyone. I get upset when companies make bad decisions that will cause their device to fail.

The Nexus 5 did ok because it had a couple things going for it. It was cheap and gave a pure Google experience with no bloat.

Unfortunately Google has created three factors that work against the new Nexus this time around.

1. The creation of Google play edition phones will mean that Nexus phones aren't as necessary to some.

2. A 6-inch phone is just too big for some people.

3. The price of the Nexus 6 is really out of line with all the previous Nexus phones and will probably be the biggest reason why people don't buy it.

 

[someguy01234]

1. The creation of Google play edition phones will mean that Nexus phones aren't as necessary to some.

2. A 6-inch phone is just too big for some people.

3. The price of the Nexus 6 is really out of line with all the previous Nexus phones and will probably be the biggest reason why people don't buy it.

1. If anything it look like the Google Play edition thing is dying or neglected, there are only a few phones available. And the high end ones (HTC M8), is very pricey. So not exactly great options. Google was trying to convert it to Android Silver, but it didn't work out.

2. But some people also like big phones.

3. It won't be a Playstore exclusive this time. There are enough evidence that it will show up at AT&T under contract and at T-Mobile, which can be paid with the monthly installment plan. I'm sure some buyers will be gravitated to this subsidized $49 Nexus 6 on AT&T over some other $199 option.

 

[deesugar]

1. If anything it look like the Google Play edition thing is dying or neglected, there are only a few phones available. And the high end ones (HTC M8), is very pricey. So not exactly great options.

You couldn't be more wrong, they are in fact making room for new ones:
Galaxy S5 Google Play Edition with Lollipop release imminent - SlashGear

3. It won't be a Playstore exclusive this time. There are enough evidence that it will show up at AT&T under contract and at T-Mobile, which can be paid with the monthly installment plan

Also not true, the Nexus 5 was not a Playstore exclusive maybe initially for a short time but I personally bought one in a store when it barely came out.

I'm sure some buyers will be gravitated to this subsidized $49 Nexus 6 on AT&T over some other $199 option.

Also not true:
AT&T inadvertently lists the Nexus 6 online for $49.99 on contract | Android Central
The Nexus 6 Might Be $50 On-Contract at AT&T (Update: Probably Not)

 

[yfan]

Also not true, the Nexus 5 was not a Playstore exclusive maybe initially for a short time but I personally bought one in a store when it barely came out.

Okay, but one cannot reasonably argue that the Nexus phones have thus far been widely available through carriers. Yes, some T-Mobile and Sprint stores sold the Nexus 5, but the big two - AT&T and Verizon - didn't bite. That is how phones are mostly bought in the US. Google tried to change that trend, but appears to have decided that the attempt to beat it is futile.

The Nexus 6 changes this by making deals with carriers from AT&T and Verizon to small prepaid ones to carry them in store. That will give it a much higher level of presence, if not ubiquity. Google also seems to be investing in marketing of Android with the "Together, not the same" ads.

For Google, I see this as a positive move. For me, it means I won't be buying the Nexus 6 - both because of its size and its price. But that's okay, because the Nexus line is no longer the only like that gets clean Android with quick updates - Motorola has solved that with the X, G and E lines. I also hopes Google later releases a smaller cousin of the N6.

 

[ultravisitor]

The price of the Nexus 6 is really out of line with all the previous Nexus phones and will probably be the biggest reason why people don't buy it.

Out of line with ALL of the previous Nexus phones? Are you sure about that? The Nexus One launched at $530. That was five years ago, and that price was pretty much in line with everything else at the time. The Droid X, for instance, launched at $569. The Nexus S was also $530. The Galaxy Nexus cost $650 at launch, I believe (for the Verizon version). It wasn't until several months later when Google sold the GSM Galaxy Nexus on the Play store that the Galaxy Nexus cost $399. The Nexus phones have not always been low cost options. People have just gotten spoiled and entitled recently.

 

[deesugar]

Out of line with ALL of the previous Nexus phones? Are you sure about that?

Yes, it's $250 more then last years Nexus, $350 more then the Nexus 4 when it launched, $200 more then the Galaxy Nexus when it launched.

And since you're being a nit picker the Nexus One and the Nexus S was $180 with a two year contract with T-Mobile. So yes I'm sure about that

"The Nexus 6 undercuts nothing. In fact, the Nexus 6 is being undercut by the Moto X, which is largely the same phone—with less turbo-charged specs, in a more manageable 5.2-inch package—that starts at $500 off contract. Even if you make the argument that more display automatically equals better, and even with the bonus RAM, the Nexus 6 still represents a substantial markup, and comes without some Moto-exclusive software benefits or the fine-tuned customization of Moto Maker."

 

[ultravisitor]

Yes, it's $250 more then last years Nexus, $350 more then the Nexus 4 when it launched, $200 more then the Galaxy Nexus when it launched.

1. You said ALL of the previous Nexus phones. Those are not all of the Nexus phones.
2. The discrepancy between the cost of the Nexus 6 and the Galaxy Nexus at launch is not as large as you say it is. It was $649 at launch: http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-galaxy-nexus-retail-price-649

And since you're being a nit picker the Nexus One and the Nexus S was $180 with a two year contract with T-Mobile.

Oh, well if that's the case, then the Galaxy Nexus was $299 on contract at launch.

 

[deesugar]

2. The discrepancy between the cost of the Nexus 6 and the Galaxy Nexus at launch is not as large as you say it is. It was $649 at launch: Verizon Galaxy Nexus retail price: $649 | Android Central

I never said anything about the Galaxy Nexus in my post but since you brought it up and have a link that helps proove my point..

"It's $299 on contract (and you can find it some places for less)"

1. You said ALL of the previous Nexus phones. Those are not all of the Nexus phones.

That's all of them and they all could be had for much cheaper then the Nexus 6.