Apple / Samsung Court Ruling

[burwil]

Wouldn't it be wonderful to get them on Siri. Their whole ad campaign for months now with all sorts of odd Hollywood types has been nothing but siri. Which they would have stolen.

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[Ry]

If you care to do some research it's out there. The patent is pending from the last info I have seen but that doesn't shield you from a lawsuit..... Which the link I posted indicates apple will need too address.

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The article mentioned email notifications and such. Nothing specific to the notification bar and if it's even a part of Motorola's latest filing against Apple.

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[dmmarck]

On a slightly related note, I'm starting to think I shouldn't buy any Android device that doesn't have Nexus attached to it. Aside from the upgrade path, it just feels like the device works better with their OS for some reason.

Is it placebo?

Nope. Keep in mind, Nexus devices are design to go hand in hand with the software. It's not at the level of Apple's software/hardware integration (which is, without a doubt, the best in the business). But it's much better, at least IMO, than any other Android "device."

That's exactly how a GNex with JB can feel as fast--even faster--than a GS3 with its nuclear reactor and 16 gigs of ram.

 

[Ry]

Nah, I think we're having a nice back and forth.

Good luck with that.

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[jschu22]

How long do locked boot loaders last?
Usually not very long.

The fact that they even exist adds an asterisk to the words open source. As in, open source... once the manufacturer is pressured enough to allow it. Sometimes that's a long time.

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[dmmarck]

Good luck with that.

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FWIW, comments like these add nothing to the discussion.

We are having a nice back and forth, and I think I speak for some of us in saying we're all learning something.

 

[Ry]

Is there really an objective way to look at innovation?

"Innovation is the creation of better or more effective products, processes, services, technologies, or ideas that are readily available to markets, governments, and society."

Okay, you have me with Google Now. That is pretty innovative.

With regards to hardware, I feel we've reached a point where it'll be awhile for something truly innovative (vs. iterative) to come out. It's all going to come down to software now. Google Voice Actions, Siri, Google Now- all good examples.

Screen resolutions, processor speed - all pretty meh now. The hardware piece that manufactures really need to focus on, IMO, is battery technology.


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[dmmarck]

With regards to hardware, I feel we've reached a point where it'll be awhile for something truly innovative (vs. iterative) to come out. It's all going to come down to software now. Google Voice Actions, Siri, Google Now- all good examples.

Screen resolutions, processor speed - all pretty meh now. The hardware piece that manufactures really need to focus on, IMO, is battery technology.


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I agree with that, although I'm fairly disappointed that Android manufacturers didn't take to the soft keys en masse.

 

[Ry]

I agree with that, although I'm fairly disappointed that Android manufacturers didn't take to the soft keys en masse.

Unless Google mandates it, they never will.

Double-edged sword of being open.

Even just based on comments here, it seems like people here want tighter integration between the hardware and the software. Apple does that best right now with regards to smartphones and tablets. Sounds like people here want Google (via Motorola) to become Apple.

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[dmmarck]

Unless Google mandates it, they never will.

Double-edged sword of being open.

Even just based on comments here, it seems like people here want tighter integration between the hardware and the software. Apple does that best right now with regards to smartphones and tablets. Sounds like people here want Google (via Motorola) to become Apple.

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True. Although, if Samsung had bothered following Google's lead, they might not be in as much...hot water...as they are now.

I don't necessarily want them to be that, I simply enjoy when software (the OS) runs to the fullest on a given piece of hardware. That is achieved, arguably, by the Nexus devices.

 

[JHBThree]

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/go...m-importing-iphones-ipads-ipods-into-the-u-s/

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Google has not been granted the patent.

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[Ry]

True. Although, if Samsung had bothered following Google's lead, they might not be in as much...hot water...as they are now.

I don't necessarily want them to be that, I simply enjoy when software (the OS) runs to the fullest on a given piece of hardware. That is achieved, arguably, by the Nexus devices.

But the soft/virtual keys came after phones like the Galaxy S and S II.

Supposedly Google told Samsung "your phones are looking too much like Apple's."

Supposedly Apple executives went to Samsung HQ to tell them the same thing.

Samsung should have listened.




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[Johnly]

True. Although, if Samsung had bothered following Google's lead, they might not be in as much...hot water...as they are now.

I don't necessarily want them to be that, I simply enjoy when software (the OS) runs to the fullest on a given piece of hardware. That is achieved, arguably, by the Nexus devices.

I don't think Samsung is in hot water. It is over. appeals yes, but Samsung's wallet is deep and Apple didn't get what the hoped to pick them for. Now that we are moving forward, Samsung is free to be...

 

[Michael Alan Goff]

Nope. Keep in mind, Nexus devices are design to go hand in hand with the software. It's not at the level of Apple's software/hardware integration (which is, without a doubt, the best in the business). But it's much better, at least IMO, than any other Android "device."

That's exactly how a GNex with JB can feel as fast--even faster--than a GS3 with its nuclear reactor and 16 gigs of ram.

Okay, I chuckled at the Nuclear Reactor thing as I read it.

I love my GNexus with JB.

With regards to hardware, I feel we've reached a point where it'll be awhile for something truly innovative (vs. iterative) to come out. It's all going to come down to software now. Google Voice Actions, Siri, Google Now- all good examples.

Screen resolutions, processor speed - all pretty meh now. The hardware piece that manufactures really need to focus on, IMO, is battery technology.


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As for the innovation being all software now? I think we still have room for some hardware innovation, aside from battery. Everyone seems to be obsessing over PPI when it comes to phones, but LG recently teased a 5" 1080p screen. Imagine how great it will be to have one of those. Now imagine one of those with high PPI.

The PPI isn't the big thing, but it'll come. The big thing, in my opinion, is taking the screen resolution of 1080 and putting it in my hand.

 

[dmmarck]

But the soft/virtual keys came after phones like the Galaxy S and S II.

Supposedly Google told Samsung "your phones are looking too much like Apple's."

Supposedly Apple executives went to Samsung HQ to tell them the same thing.

Samsung should have listened.




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They had plenty of time to adapt the GS3

I don't think Samsung is in hot water. It is over. appeals yes, but Samsung's wallet is deep and Apple didn't get what the hoped to pick them for. Now that we are moving forward, Samsung is free to be...

True, but a potential $1 billion in damages looming over them is certainly not the North Atlantic...

 

[Michael Alan Goff]

For all of you that think the fine is HUGE or anything, just take a look at Samsung's quarterly profits. Last quarter it made 5.9 billion dollars in profits. This is a speeding ticket to them.

 

[jschu22]

You interested in taking a 3-4% pay cut?

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[Johnly]

They had plenty of time to adapt the GS3



True, but a potential $1 billion in damages looming over them is certainly not the North Atlantic...

I agree though the courts now move away from Cupertino.... Samsung may even fair better.

 

[dmmarck]

I agree though the courts now move away from Cupertino.... Samsung may even fair better.

They have abroad. If anything, it shows how disparate IP law is throughout the world.

 

[Johnly]

I agree with that, although I'm fairly disappointed that Android manufacturers didn't take to the soft keys en masse.

Me too. Obviously hardware is there, but it isn't irrelevant. It needs to continue to improve or software has nothing to achieve but optimization. While that is nice, it is nieve to think hardware is at a zenith.