Are the people who work for HTC USA brain dead?

[adriandb]

Sorry to be rude, but: CARRIERS. CARRIERS. CARRIERS. CARRIERS.

The carriers have the updates, so its out of HTCs hands. With all of the discussion of the role carriers play in updates, there's no reason this thread should even exist.

Except that we're discussing unlocked and DE's.

 

[adriandb]

Do we know they don't? I know they shouldn't, but that doesn't mean they don't

No we don't know, but it raises an interesting question. Part of the reason I bought the DE was to avoid slower releases caused by the carriers. If that advantage is erased, the DE's and unlocked models just got less valuable.

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

So you're saying that att has control over when my DE One will get 4.2.2?

Yes. This is what LTE and proprietary radio optimization code gets you. I knew this would happen when they announced the Dev edition was AT&T LTE "ready". Would have never happened with WiMax, the open standard that Verizon and AT&T did everything they could to kill, and Sprint killed by just being Sprint.

Of course, nobody listens to me anyway.

 

[crfox]

sorry to ambush this but no one is answering my post but i have a rooted phone but im trying to update it and not sure how to do it can any help

 

[aokusman]

The end is definitely nigh for HTC.

From the desk of Hiss Excellency.

 

[Gator352]

This is off. The Nexus 4 is a carrier independent phone. If anything, it would be considered a T-Mobile phone as it is the only carrier that sells it. AT&T will tell a Nexus 4 user that they do not support the Nexus 4; AT&T has nothing to do with the updates for the Nexus 4. Also, T-Mobile uses only the 1700MHz band for LTE while AT&T uses primarily the 700MHz band and makes secondary use of the 1700MHz band for LTE. Even around the world, the LTE bands that are used vary quite a bit.

You're right. I had it backwards. It's T-mo not AT&T. But my point stands. Google updates the NEXUS...not T-mo nor AT&T but the core kernel for radios still have to be supplied to Google to be implemented to work on their network. Otherwise, T-mo would have say what's in an update as to not screw with the radios. Like I said, the NEXUS is GSM which is pretty much global and most use the same spectrum. So as long as the radios are supplied, it will work.

 

[benhmadison]

I agree that it won't make HTC succeed or fail, but giving timely updates (or at least even giving updates) removes annoyances that previous versions had. Removing these annoyances improves what feeling the users have about their phones. This in-turn leads them to maybe buy the next version of the same phone (or another Android). Although I do agree that most people don't care/know about updates/softwareVersion, the updates are definitely important, and it's just silly if manufacturers think they can leave their customers hanging.

I do agree with you from the frustration level. Since my first Android I have always rooted and installed custom roms so updates don't matter so much to me but to people who do not root it is a big deal.

 

[Gator352]

This couldn't be any further from the truth. Even though the AT&T model and Unlocked models are the same hardware, that doesn't mean they run the same software. HTC has to finalize the update for the hardware and THEN give it to AT&T. AT&T's approval process then has absolutely nothing to do with the unlocked models. They make optimizations for their network and make sure that their own software works with the latest update. Being that the unlocked models are NOT optimized to work on their network (even though they're the same hardware) and DON'T have any of AT&T's software, AT&T has no say whatsoever in the release date. In fact, the unlocked and dev edition models could (and should) have the update the same day it's given to AT&T b/c it's that EXACT version that AT&T needs to tweak for their own devices.

Most of what you said, I said. GPE's and unlocked models have to be software optimized by the kernel for it's radios to work on their network which happens to be GSM. I just forgot to mention that some...some...of the LTE spectrum piggybacks off others such as the 1700Mhz band. It's just that the software specifically for AT&T, etc. are missing. The only (in my opinion) phone that gets updates without carrier intervention is the NEXUS. Even then, the nexus still has to have the radio kernel for it to work on a specific carrier. It's not universal.

 

[Paul627g]

Yes. This is what LTE and proprietary radio optimization code gets you. I knew this would happen when they announced the Dev edition was AT&T LTE "ready". Would have never happened with WiMax, the open standard that Verizon and AT&T did everything they could to kill, and Sprint killed by just being Sprint.

Of course, nobody listens to me anyway.

I was basically under the same assumption. It's the carriers and as Jerry said the incorporation of LTE which then you have proprietary code that just grinds everything to a stop.

We love our LTE but it comes at a price.



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[Paul627g]

The only (in my opinion) phone that gets updates without carrier intervention is the NEXUS. Even then, the nexus still has to have the radio kernel for it to work on a specific carrier. It's not universal.

Exactly. That is why the GSM models of Nexus are the first on the block to get updates and official AOSP support because there is no LTE or CDMA code hassles to slow things up.



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[Gator352]

Exactly. That is why the GSM models of Nexus are the first on the block to get updates and official AOSP support because there is no LTE or CDMA code hassles to slow things up.

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This is what I have been trying to say!! Every other edition of any phone still has some sort of carrier intervention...especially when it comes to its radios.

 

[adriandb]

Yes. This is what LTE and proprietary radio optimization code gets you. I knew this would happen when they announced the Dev edition was AT&T LTE "ready". Would have never happened with WiMax, the open standard that Verizon and AT&T did everything they could to kill, and Sprint killed by just being Sprint.

Of course, nobody listens to me anyway.

This high level of suckitude that WiMax achieved may have been part of it.

 

[Aquila]

Has any carrier other than the one in Cincinnati said they were skipping 4.2.2? Also, has anyone asked HTC what is going on?

 

[Gator352]

Has any carrier other than the one in Cincinnati said they were skipping 4.2.2? Also, has anyone asked HTC what is going on?

I think the only response we have gotten is a canned response saying they haven't heard of anything yet. But will let us know in the near future!!

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This high level of suckitude that WiMax achieved may have been part of it.

It would have gotten better...much better...if it was given a chance to thrive...

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

This high level of suckitude that WiMax achieved may have been part of it.

It sucks no more than LTE at the 2400 band will and does. That's a by-product of the radio frequencies more than anything else.

 

[DS1331]

I don't understand what the big deal is just to say you have android 4.2.2 I have almost everything it offers right out of the app store. Who cares about it, saying you'll never buy a HTC phone again because your phone can't say it's 4.2.2 the same time as everyone else. The HTC one is a badass awesome phone. If the update was going to make my phone 100% better then it was then yeah I can understand but guess what, it's not and yeah they should communicate better but it's the carriers that hold it up longer then it's supposed to be most of the time.

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[JHBThree]

Except that we're discussing unlocked and DE's.

Which still have to be certified by the carriers.

 

[adriandb]

Which still have to be certified by the carriers.

Can anyone confirm this? Everything I've read so far says that buying a device directly from the manufacturer means you get updates from them without carrier interaction.

I certainly don't know for sure one way or another, but would love some insight.

Also, on a more macro level, this os upgrade nonsense in the android world is seriously broken.

 

[JHBThree]

Can anyone confirm this? Everything I've read so far says that buying a device directly from the manufacturer means you get updates from them without carrier interaction.

I certainly don't know for sure one way or another, but would love some insight.

Also, on a more macro level, this os upgrade nonsense in the android world is seriously broken.

When LTE is involved, the carrier is going to be as well.

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[adriandb]

When LTE is involved, the carrier is going to be as well.

Interesting. I'm surprised more isn't made of this. I had no idea. The Moto X phone will likely have some tight Google+ integration, though I haven't heard if it will be a true Nexus device. I guess that can be assumed, but we'll see. It may be the way to go.

I guess this means I'll have to look into custom ROMs.