Baked Snack Froyo EB13/EC05 "More Undisputed ;)"

[yogi2000#AC]

I've been using BS 2.1 for about a month and I keep having FC issues that I cannot resolve. things like email, handcent, and even the camera app close instantly upon launch. I have tried fixing permissions in cwm to no avail, so I tried clearing the data of these apps. This also did not work. The only thing I can do is reflash BS, but this only temporarily fixes the problem and the FC issue comes back after a while. Its very annoying having to reflash my phone every week, just so it can function properly. Has anyone had this problem?

Have you tried making a nandroid backup, and then immediately restoring from that backup. That would turn journalling back on and hopefully eliminate the force closes and data corruption. Could be worth a try... I believe that's what many people would recommend.

 

[GSF1200S]

I've been using BS 2.1 for about a month and I keep having FC issues that I cannot resolve. things like email, handcent, and even the camera app close instantly upon launch. I have tried fixing permissions in cwm to no avail, so I tried clearing the data of these apps. This also did not work. The only thing I can do is reflash BS, but this only temporarily fixes the problem and the FC issue comes back after a while. Its very annoying having to reflash my phone every week, just so it can function properly. Has anyone had this problem?

Nearly all issues involving force closes and freezing are due to data corruption. The problem with Baked Snack and most other ROMs being offered is that they are non-journaled. A journaled filesystem has a means to recover data when something gets corrupted, but the flip side is that it requires more write cycles and uses more battery; the amount that it uses though, especially if you arent creating a lot of things on your phone, is very minimal. Since ROMs get installed roughly by how users report it functions when they first install it, there is an incentive for ROM devs to make the ROMs non-journaled. This inevitably creates the problems you are experiencing, especially when the memory is NAND based instead of utilizing a hard drive which typically has less failures (except when dropped).

The solution is to run a journaled ROM (Midnight 5.2 has a journaled version; ACE v 2.0 offers a journaled version and is what I use), or to make a non-journaled ROM into a journaled one. To do the latter, first start by wiping data/cache/dalvik cache 3 times and install the ROM of your choosing. Boot into the ROM, install everything you want, configure everything how you like it, then boot into clockwork mod. Create a backup of your existing setup. Then, boot into your ROM, then boot back into clockword mod again. Clear data/cache/dalvik cache 3 times again, and restore to the backup you just made. Your phone will now be running with journaling, which will prevent the type of issues you are having..

 

[GSF1200S]

Have you tried making a nandroid backup, and then immediately restoring from that backup. That would turn journalling back on and hopefully eliminate the force closes and data corruption. Could be worth a try... I believe that's what many people would recommend.

You beat me to a response, but I do want to clarify something:

Make sure you make the backup with a FRESH INSTALL of the ROM. If you back up the one you have now, you will be backing up all the problems too. I think yogi anticipated you implicitly understanding this, but since you are relatively new to the forums, I just want to make sure

**EDIT** I really wish for people's sake that devs would make more of an effort to educate the users of their ROMs about journaling vs. non-journaling. They already do fantastic work, and im not chiding their efforts, but I feel a great many issues devs are trying to troubleshoot are due to data corruption resulting from the use of non-journaling setups. On top of this, it causes a huge pain for users who dont know the difference, and they end up going back to a stock ROM just to avoid the "unstable rooted ROMs" when in fact all the issues are due to non-journaling setups. I myself have gone through this ordeal, and I come from the linux world where I have first-hand been SAVED from a total loss of data due to power failure (android translation: bad NAND blocks or battery pull) by the fantastic filesystem recovery provided in EXT3 (even better on EXT4- most linux installs are shipping with EXT4 as default now). If every ROM offered a journaled and non-journaled option with a mention in the first post of the difference, a lot less issues would end up resulting I think. Again, no attack on the devs- you all do great work and the version of ACE I use now is a composite of all your fantastic work

 

[yogi2000#AC]

Ah yes, good point on the fresh install

Hey, I was wondering, isn't there a file in the 'tools' folder of these ROMs that is responsible for turning journalling off? Is it 'tun2fs', or perhaps one of the .ext4 files? If we simply remove the correct file before flashing, would that give us the ROM but with journalling on?

 

[Paul627g]

Ah yes, good point on the fresh install

Hey, I was wondering, isn't there a file in the 'tools' folder of these ROMs that is responsible for turning journalling off? Is it 'tun2fs', or perhaps one of the .ext4 files? If we simply remove the correct file before flashing, would that give us the ROM but with journalling on?

Yes there is the tools folder and also its part of the setup in the updater-script which handles the installation.

Best bet if your looking for journaling enabled is to use a ROM that offers a version or do as GSF1200S instructed and make your Nandroid backup of a fresh installation, wipe everything 3x and then immediately turn around and restore your backup you just made. Bingo, done.

I do recall Herver stating his next release will feature both journaling enabled and no journaling versions.

 

[yogi2000#AC]

Yes there is the tools folder and also its part of the setup in the updater-script which handles the installation.

Best bet if your looking for journaling enabled is to use a ROM that offers a version or do as GFS instructed and make your Nandroid backup of a fresh installation, wipe everything 3x and then immediately turn around and restore your backup you just made. Bingo, done.

I do recall Herver stating his next release will feature both journaling enabled and no journaling versions.

Ah ok, gotcha. Thx

 

[GSF1200S]

Ah yes, good point on the fresh install

Hey, I was wondering, isn't there a file in the 'tools' folder of these ROMs that is responsible for turning journalling off? Is it 'tun2fs', or perhaps one of the .ext4 files? If we simply remove the correct file before flashing, would that give us the ROM but with journalling on?

Im not THAT familiar with filesystems.. cant use a text editor to open any except the 2 restore ones and the mke2fs.conf, and it seems to me the latter is necessary for various block sizes. I would ask a dev before you end up bricking your phone- they might be able to tell you. Perhaps the Syndicate ROM devs would be willing to spare a few to explain? Paul627g might be able to tell you since he has a journaling version of ACE and is in works on a non-journaling version..

**EDIT** haha, paul beat me to it. Nevermind post

 

[tnuts]

The ROM is good, but the kernel is what gives it the great battery life

if i am just missing something i apologize in advance, but is there a link to the baked snack kernels? i'm loving the ACE 2.0 ROM, but i'd like to try this baked snack kernel and see if i get the awesome battery life everyone is talking about and i can't seem to find a link.

 

[k0nane]

if i am just missing something i apologize in advance, but is there a link to the baked snack kernels? i'm loving the ACE 2.0 ROM, but i'd like to try this baked snack kernel and see if i get the awesome battery life everyone is talking about and i can't seem to find a link.

The kernel is the biggest GPL violator that Herver produces, so it would be against AndroidCentral policies to post links to it here. Give Twilight Zone, Genocide, and VisionKernel 1.1 a try.

 

[Paul627g]

if i am just missing something i apologize in advance, but is there a link to the baked snack kernels? i'm loving the ACE 2.0 ROM, but i'd like to try this baked snack kernel and see if i get the awesome battery life everyone is talking about and i can't seem to find a link.

See k0nane's post below.

k0nane is completely correct on this. Herver does not provide the code source for his kernels as Android Central and many other GPL rule observing forums/sites demand as part of listing your kernels for download so we can not post a link to his site or downloads as part of our rules. We simply are obeying the rules of the GPL and what the administrators of Android Central have set for rules.

The kernel is the biggest GPL violator that Herver produces, so it would be against AndroidCentral policies to post links to it here. Give Twilight Zone, Genocide, and VisionKernel 1.1 a try.

Correct on the GPL violation.

 

[tnuts]

ah, that makes sense, i was wondering why i couldn't find it. please excuse my ignorance. paul, in your opinion (since it is your rom), would any of the other kernels mentioned improve battery life noticeably? i'm loving ACE, and my battery life has definitely improved since flashing it, but i want to squeeze every drop i can. twilight has been great as far as stability, and i kinda don't want to mess w/ a good thing.

 

[lattiboy]

I've had great success with Genocide kernel. I undervolt, but even with no uv its still quite excellent. I run about 3% an hour drain with syncing and trillian and wifi on.

 

[Paul627g]

ah, that makes sense, i was wondering why i couldn't find it. please excuse my ignorance. paul, in your opinion (since it is your rom), would any of the other kernels mentioned improve battery life noticeably? i'm loving ACE, and my battery life has definitely improved since flashing it, but i want to squeeze every drop i can. twilight has been great as far as stability, and i kinda don't want to mess w/ a good thing.

Sort of off topic for this thread but any of the suggested kernels, Twilight/Geneocide/Vision/Baked Snack all are good kernels for battery life. Some kernels run better on my device than yours, basically not all devices run exactly the same and you have to play around a bit see what works best for YOUR device.

 

[intheb0x]

i just rooted my epic.

im not running any rom or kernel just the newest stock ota.

i want to flash this, but im unsure if i need to be on orange clockwork or the old green one?

im currently on the old green one.

 

[yogi2000#AC]

i just rooted my epic.

im not running any rom or kernel just the newest stock ota.

i want to flash this, but im unsure if i need to be on orange clockwork or the old green one?

im currently on the old green one.

You need to be on the orange one, 3.0.0.6. You can simply re-root with that version of the one-click

 

[jd195]

i just rooted my epic.

im not running any rom or kernel just the newest stock ota.

i want to flash this, but im unsure if i need to be on orange clockwork or the old green one?

im currently on the old green one.

For what it's worth, if a ROM says it runs EXT4, you need the new, orange CWM (3.0.0.something)

If it says it runs RFS, which isnt as common, but some support both, you can use the old, green version of CWM (2.51something...I think)

 

[intheb0x]

thanks everyone,

im from evo land, so everything is much easier as it seems.

i went ahead and flashed it anyways and it said it was converting my file system, then flashed the kernel.

phone was stuck at samsung screen.

instead of downloading odin or anything else labor intensive, i found the stock romReRFS.
it wipes the phone clean but puts everything back to RFS, then i just reloaded my nandroid i had made a few mins earlier into flashing the baked snack.

i figured it had something to do with the ext4 system.

so in order to get to a new ext4 system, i just run one click with the newest CWM and i should be good to go?

 

[kevincwelch]

ah, that makes sense, i was wondering why i couldn't find it. please excuse my ignorance. paul, in your opinion (since it is your rom), would any of the other kernels mentioned improve battery life noticeably? i'm loving ACE, and my battery life has definitely improved since flashing it, but i want to squeeze every drop i can. twilight has been great as far as stability, and i kinda don't want to mess w/ a good thing.

Installed Genocide (post Vision, post Twilight) and have noticed improved battery. That drop from 100 to 90 doesn't happen so quickly. Running at 1200/200 on SetCPU. Using Ultimate Juice as well...

 

[gabe2gg]

does anyone else have vid camera problems on 2.3 kernels?

 

[skyward]

Yes, my video camera hasn't work since I went to BS 2.3. I've never really used the video camera, so I haven't cared that it's broke.