Confirmed, we have the worst still camera...

[fortunado]

Please change your avatar, Vick Mackey would be ashamed to have you associated with him.

What a crybaby. CTC IDGAF

 

[warpdrive]

This is true! Shouldn't have to mess around with to many settings to get ok pictures. If it is indeed just a software issue then HTC needs to fix it....just saying.

Rocking the HTC EVO 3D

that's just it, once I've changed my settings from full auto I almost never have to fool around with my camera settings again.

let me talk to you about a day I had last week.
I went to the park and took a few pics of friends drinking and eating. all were having a great time.
my settings were the same as my last post. all that I did was put the white balance on "daylight" for the first photo and never touched it again for the next 9 pictures.
now we all went out for dinner afterwards and the room was dimly lit with candles and low light tungston bulbs. since my flash was set to auto (only gets used in dark light) I didn't even have to turn this on. yet I did change the white balance again, this time to incandesant so that any area that was not lit up with the flash would not be to "warm" or too redish. I took about another 10 shots this way and once I changed the setting to incandesant, I never had to change a thing for my next 9 shots.


the reason I find your thoughts (and Vick's) wrong is that if this was a photography forum, you would have 500 photographers telling you how wrong your thoughts are.
cameras today, even the best ones, need to have their settings changed all the time for a proper shot.

let me give you and example...
let's say you are taking some pictures outside with the settings I've posted. all of them are turning out great sofar. yet you want to take a photo of a friend who is now somewhat "back lit" from the sun. if left alone your subject will be dark. so how do you fix this? you over expose the subject. add +1 to the exposure and you are now fine. you will have to do the same thing with a $500 point & shoot. you will also have to do the same thing with a $5000 dSLR camera body. just what do you really expect from a $20 camera that they stick onto a phone? do you really think that such a thing is going to now out perform a $5000 camera body? or do you think that when taking pictures that maybe we as the photographer should learn how to take better photos?

a camera is a tool. if you refuse to use this tool properly, do you really think that you are going to somehow turn into a pro and now have photos that can be published?

with that said, I once again agree that hTc needs to update it's software so that people who have no knowladge of photography can now take some better pictures. but on the other hand, don't expect this update to now turn you into Ansel Adams.

 

[CarrieK]

Idk, once I changed the default settings I really don't have to adjust a whole lot at all. And after I turned off the review time I can take more pictures quicker. Contrary to what has been posted, I get lots of "action shots." My friend sure wasn't posing there on the boxcar and that ball wasn't just suspended in mid-air waiting on me to get that shot

 

[VickMackey#AC]

Please change your avatar, Vick Mackey would be ashamed to have you associated with him.

What a crybaby. CTC IDGAF

I'm sorry my difference of opinion makes you cry, bro

 

[jsorryman]

I understand that some people will rationalize anything and I get that. Settings blah blah..my friends year old epic 4g takes absolutely fantastic shots all the time in every situation. That's what I'm comparing it to. I'm not saying the EVO camera can't be tweaked to take great shots, I'm saying other cameras don't have to do that.

Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.....you thought your friend's phone took great pictures. So naturally you bought a different phone. Now you are angry that the phone you bought takes different pictures than your friend's phone. Which is a different phone. Got it. I have 2 suggestions for you:

1) trade phones with your friend

2) go to your nearest Sprint store, and ask them to fill out a ID-10t form for you. This is for when you aren't due for an upgrade, but have "irreconcilable differences" with your phone. They should get you squared away. Hth

 

[ihatethisregistration]

"fill out a ID-10t form for you"

Bwahahaha

 

[VickMackey#AC]

Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.....you thought your friend's phone took great pictures. So naturally you bought a different phone. Now you are angry that the phone you bought takes different pictures than your friend's phone. Which is a different phone. Got it. I have 2 suggestions for you:

1) trade phones with your friend

2) go to your nearest Sprint store, and ask them to fill out a ID-10t form for you. This is for when you aren't due for an upgrade, but have "irreconcilable differences" with your phone. They should get you squared away. Hth

Its always the same argument with you fan boys. So because I'm displeased with the camera (relative to others ive tested) I must hate everything else about the phone right? I like everything else about the phone. But I guess that's impossible. The proof and data is in the article. Our camera was the worst tested. Period. Settings aside. Why is there even an argument?

 

[jsorryman]

Its always the same argument with you fan boys. So because I'm displeased with the camera (relative to others ive tested) I must hate everything else about the phone right? I like everything else about the phone. But I guess that's impossible. The proof and data is in the article. Our camera was the worst tested. Period. Settings aside. Why is there even an argument?

No argument. You don't like the camera. What exactly do you want us to do about it?

 

[jsorryman]

again an unreasonable expectation for 99% of users...

I refuse to press buttons

 

[VickMackey#AC]

No argument. You don't like the camera. What exactly do you want us to do about it?

Posting articles and opinions is unusual in a Web forum? I though I left blind loyalty and fanboyism back at PC. Guess not.

 

[CarrieK]

Nothing wrong with posting opinions and having a friendly debate and discussion. What is not accurate is calling us "fanpeople" because we disagree. I am happy with this phone, camera and all. I am not some homer merely because I am a satisfied customer who did her research and upgraded to a device that meets her needs. I have no desire to switch to another. I have not seen or experienced anything that would change my belief that this phone takes excellent pictures in both 2 and 3D and is just as good if not better than any options out there.

 

[VickMackey#AC]

Nothing wrong with posting opinions and having a friendly debate and discussion. What is not accurate is calling us "fanpeople" because we disagree. I am happy with this phone, camera and all. I am not some homer merely because I am a satisfied customer who did her research and upgraded to a device that meets her needs. I have no desire to switch to another. I have not seen or experienced anything that would change my belief that this phone takes excellent pictures in both 2 and 3D and is just as good if not better than any options out there.

Wasn't referring to you specifically, and I love this phone. Its a massive improvement over the palm. But the cameras low light performance is abysmal. Day performance is decent but lesser phones have better cameras is my point. If it isn't hardware related I hope HTC had a fix coming.

 

[Wiley_11]

Not being a photo-oligist myself but I don't think any of the pics in the article look great. I personally think #13 doesn't look much worse than #1. I would say they all look good enough for a stinkin *phone* that doesn't have a Carl Zeiss lens.

LINK to pics

 

[CarrieK]

Wasn't referring to you specifically, and I love this phone. Its a massive improvement over the palm. But the cameras low light performance is abysmal. Day performance is decent but lesser phones have better cameras is my point. If it isn't hardware related I hope HTC had a fix coming.

I apologize if I came across defensive. I have been criticized quite often for my opinions although I always try to help and be objective as well as courteous.

I really do think you would be much happier with the camera if you tweaked the settings. Granted, the default settings aren't great but the good news is that it is fixable.

 

[CarrieK]

Not being a photo-oligist myself but I don't think any of the pics in the article look great. I personally think #13 doesn't look much worse than #1. I would say they all look good enough for a stinkin *phone* that doesn't have a Carl Zeiss lens.




LINK to pics

Ughhhh... They all look awful! Good grief, how can you even pick a best?! Lol, it is obvious warpdrive didn't take those pictures I get that they were just doing a point and shoot test but if I were to base my phone purchase on any of those camera shots I wouldn't choose any of them.

 

[wernd]

Is it ok if I agree with both sides? LOL

Does this phone take ****ty pics out the box? YES

If you change the settings will it make them MUCH better? YES

Do you have to change the settings all the time, no.

Could HTC have done a much better job with the camera, HELL YES!!

Just my .02 on an argument that will NEVER end, at least not until an update fixes the auto problems

 

[Wiley_11]

Ughhhh... They all look awful! Good grief, how can you even pick a best?! Lol, it is obvious warpdrive didn't take those pictures I get that they were just doing a point and shoot test but if I were to base my phone purchase on any of those camera shots I wouldn't choose any of them.

It seems like after I changed my settings (as suggested by that other place) my pics look better than all 13 of those.

Here's the LINK to optimize your E3D pics for anyone interested.

 

[CarrieK]

It seems like after I changed my settings (as suggested by that other place) my pics look better than all 13 of those.

Here's the LINK to optimize your E3D pics for anyone interested.

That is the article I read shortly after I got mine and there are some excellent tips in there. Changing the settings sounds way harder than it is. I do wish the settings had been better out of the box so the reviews wouldn't have been so bad and cast a shadow on this amazing phone. It is a shame some don't want to experiment a little because they will never experience the full benefits of the camera's capabilities and make an unnecessary switch to a possibly otherwise inferior device and scare others away. The couple of shots I posted earlier in the thread are the rule and not the exception for me.

 

[warpdrive]

Wasn't referring to you specifically, and I love this phone. Its a massive improvement over the palm. But the cameras low light performance is abysmal. Day performance is decent but lesser phones have better cameras is my point. If it isn't hardware related I hope HTC had a fix coming.

Vick,

I know and agree that you are in no way talking to us regular owners. the ones that like our phones, not love them to death to the point that we are fanboys. I loved your link, but I believe that if we both sat down together, we could agree that each phone, even the my touch tests were poor in a few ways. in fact each camera had their own issues that I also see that some here (just simple phone hobbie folk) can see it clearly too.

there are clearly some good phones that take better photos then the evo3d, but I'll tell you right now that it's the person behind the lens that can take a ****ty camera and turn it into a monster if they know what they are doing. I've taken photos on just a simple P&S and done a better job then a guy next to me with a $3000 dSLR all riged out. so what that he had the best tools. he had no idea how to use it. I can show you some of my work that I've taken on a 3 year old P&S that will blow your mind. a point and shoot bra. a point and shoot. but do you really think that I didn't change just a few small, teeny, weeny , itty, bitty settings? do you think I kept the original settings such as color or saturation the same as stock out of the box? it's a canon camera and yes, I tweeked the heck out of it so I WONT have to change the settings I will change that much at all. I'll get better saturation, color, contrast, sharpness levels, and so on, then if I have left everything as was right out of the box...ON FULL AUTO NO LESS. I'm doing it all on a top of the line up of canon's P&S lines. and I do all this because I can and it will get me 10 thousand times better results then if I left the settings as cannon set up for me. yet I'm not going to ever use it on full manual ever because it's just a point and shoot, regarless that I could if needed.

(you don't even want to know what I do to something like a mark3)

try my settings first. if half of your photos come out better then it was worth it. if not, then who did you hurt while trying?
if it did help, then try some of the other helpfull hints located in that link that Wily posted. you'll make owners of an epic touch feal like they have just been groped.

 

[warpdrive]

Ughhhh... They all look awful! Good grief, how can you even pick a best?! Lol, it is obvious warpdrive didn't take those pictures I get that they were just doing a point and shoot test but if I were to base my phone purchase on any of those camera shots I wouldn't choose any of them.

you speak too high of me, but thanks.
oh, and yeah, they all suck in one way or another. but that's because ALL camera phones suck as much as I've repeatedly said in the past. but that should not stop anyone from being able to take at least some great shots, even if they have no idea what they are doing. todays phone cameras are at least a lot better then in the past and you can now tweek quite a few settings to take even better shots then if you couldn't. but let's not forget that they are only phone cameras...not god in a box.