Coronavirus Crushing S20 Launch - Sales Down 50%

Which is why people will just not upgrade as often. Notwithstanding the price, incentives, etc - the differences between this year's and last year's model isn't sufficient to justify the expenditure. Why should any of us waste our time and money on an "upgrade" for an almost imperceptible improvement in features and performance?
Well for some they just want the latest phone , others will say it's not big upgrade so each individual will be different . I can upgrade to Minor bump as I like those things if I were to get the s20 it would be the ultra , like the camera from what I seen on your tube, 120hz definitely as I seen how good 90 hhz is also like the massive battery on the ultra 5000mah. But most likey will hold out until the Note 20 and trade my Note 10+ at that time .
 
Which is why people will just not upgrade as often. Notwithstanding the price, incentives, etc - the differences between this year's and last year's model isn't sufficient to justify the expenditure. Why should any of us waste our time and money on an "upgrade" for an almost imperceptible improvement in features and performance?

Think we've arrived at that point where people aren't upgrading quite as often. I don't or at least we've kept our expenditures well below that of the base S20. But then there are people who are compelled to own the latest-n-greatest no matter what, that'll always be a thing. At some point I'm foreseeing Samsung asking "why aren't our devices selling?" if they continue w/skyward pricing LOL.
 
Think we've arrived at that point where people aren't upgrading quite as often. I don't or at least we've kept our expenditures well below that of the base S20. But then there are people who are compelled to own the latest-n-greatest no matter what, that'll always be a thing. At some point I'm foreseeing Samsung asking "why aren't our devices selling?" if they continue w/skyward pricing LOL.
That's the irony. Prices are rising faster than the rate at which these devices are improving. So why spend the money? It's an argument that applies across the board. Samsung is just the most extreme example, being at the top end.
 
That's the irony. Prices are rising faster than the rate at which these devices are improving. So why spend the money? It's an argument that applies across the board. Samsung is just the most extreme example, being at the top end.

Suppose since "they can". What's even harder to fathom is most of these latest Sammy's will be dumped for the next reiteration within year LOL. And yes advancements these days, in the grand scheme of things, are miniscule yet they are improvements many feel they must have.

Samsung flagships haven't been on my radar since the GS7 Series days with us getting way more excitement buying into the underdogs (enjoyable ride so far). Curved displays initiated our dislike for Sammy's flagships and now their pricing is just making sure we won't own another.
 
I'm echoing what must people here are saying. The prices are getting ridiculous and consequently people are holding on longer to their phones-especially previous flagships.

In my case, I have 6 months to go before my contract ends. Currently I'm paying $80 per month for a 2 year lease on my Note 9. And my carrier doesn't do a lease on the new S20 series. I'll probably have to pay about $200 to keep the phone if I decide to do so.

But compare $80 to $133 minimum per month for the S20 Ultra over 2 years. As I said before, there has to be more than just a new camera system for me to do that. Things like 8K video, 120 Hz refresh rate etc mean nothing to me. There is no way I'd set the phone to 120 Hz refresh and suffer lesser battery life. I cannot believe people are getting excited over this.

So for me, it'll be have a look at the S21. If the S20 Ultra wasn't that much more than what I'm paying, I would have done it. But I think that is the new reality of flagship smartphones. Only a select few people will cough up to have the latest every year. A while ago, you could count on a lot of people upgrading at 2 years. Now even that is increasingly going by the wayside.
 
I'm echoing what must people here are saying. The prices are getting ridiculous and consequently people are holding on longer to their phones-especially previous flagships.

In my case, I have 6 months to go before my contract ends. Currently I'm paying $80 per month for a 2 year lease on my Note 9. And my carrier doesn't do a lease on the new S20 series. I'll probably have to pay about $200 to keep the phone if I decide to do so.

But compare $80 to $133 minimum per month for the S20 Ultra over 2 years. As I said before, there has to be more than just a new camera system for me to do that. Things like 8K video, 120 Hz refresh rate etc mean nothing to me. There is no way I'd set the phone to 120 Hz refresh and suffer lesser battery life. I cannot believe people are getting excited over this.

So for me, it'll be have a look at the S21. If the S20 Ultra wasn't that much more than what I'm paying, I would have done it. But I think that is the new reality of flagship smartphones. Only a select few people will cough up to have the latest every year. A while ago, you could count on a lot of people upgrading at 2 years. Now even that is increasingly going by the wayside.
More people buy mid-rangers these days.
 
I'm echoing what must people here are saying. The prices are getting ridiculous and consequently people are holding on longer to their phones-especially previous flagships.

In my case, I have 6 months to go before my contract ends. Currently I'm paying $80 per month for a 2 year lease on my Note 9. And my carrier doesn't do a lease on the new S20 series. I'll probably have to pay about $200 to keep the phone if I decide to do so.

But compare $80 to $133 minimum per month for the S20 Ultra over 2 years. As I said before, there has to be more than just a new camera system for me to do that. Things like 8K video, 120 Hz refresh rate etc mean nothing to me. There is no way I'd set the phone to 120 Hz refresh and suffer lesser battery life. I cannot believe people are getting excited over this.

So for me, it'll be have a look at the S21. If the S20 Ultra wasn't that much more than what I'm paying, I would have done it. But I think that is the new reality of flagship smartphones. Only a select few people will cough up to have the latest every year. A while ago, you could count on a lot of people upgrading at 2 years. Now even that is increasingly going by the wayside.

I refuse to exceed the 1k (CAD) mark which leaves even the base S20 completely out of the question, Ultra's base model nears 2K (CAD) with it being a definite nope.

In my opinion 8K at this point is somewhat of a useless addition to be paying extra for. Won't be of much use at this point, only 24fps (because of the processing power required will probably be less due to frame drops), and it doesn't utilize stabilization. 120Hz refresh rate might be cool for some yet don't see it as being a real necessity either, it's not like my present devices with their 60Hz displays leave me gasping every time we scroll LOL. And QHD displays (which can't utilize the 120Hz on S20 Series any ways) were never a thing for me as 1080p always sufficed.

The thing is manufactures have to toss out a few carrots (as small as they are) otherwise they risk losing their consumer base... Believe those w/aggressive pricing will see an adverse affect in due course anyway. At the going rate though we'll be seeing 3K flagships in two years time which is crazy to think about, even more crazy is their level of support won't likely be much better than devices a quarter of that price.
 
The problem is the true market pricing not MSRP. Samsung isn't actually charging $1000 for the s20 ( lets take the base line as example) , you can trade an s10 which market value is maybe avg $400 (i actually got a plus off my local CL for $300 to trade) so your price is then $800, now if you play the pre order game you could get the extra $35 credit plus the $100, making buds + $15. Lets assume you don't want them and will dump them say fetching $100 cash, you're now down to $700. Seems fair right?

Well the issue is that phone can probably be bought on my local CL (yes I have advantage being in NYC so larger buy/sell base) for $600 very , shortly after launch I've done it countless times with android phones.

Here is the short version which you all know, these phones are worth no where near their MSRP and Android / Samsung depreciate so rapidly and only have support for realistically two years. This is the problem with them . Iphone (most apple products) holds value int he secondary market so when I get my apple products Im less hesitant to jump through hoops for a deal as I know I won't take a huge beating when I want to sell change/upgrade.
 
The problem is the true market pricing not MSRP. Samsung isn't actually charging $1000 for the s20 ( lets take the base line as example) , you can trade an s10 which market value is maybe avg $400 (i actually got a plus off my local CL for $300 to trade) so your price is then $800, now if you play the pre order game you could get the extra $35 credit plus the $100, making buds + $15. Lets assume you don't want them and will dump them say fetching $100 cash, you're now down to $700. Seems fair right?

Well the issue is that phone can probably be bought on my local CL (yes I have advantage being in NYC so larger buy/sell base) for $600 very , shortly after launch I've done it countless times with android phones.

Here is the short version which you all know, these phones are worth no where near their MSRP and Android / Samsung depreciate so rapidly and only have support for realistically two years. This is the problem with them . Iphone (most apple products) holds value int he secondary market so when I get my apple products Im less hesitant to jump through hoops for a deal as I know I won't take a huge beating when I want to sell change/upgrade.
I agree with your concept

If you're taking the S20 as an example (not the S20+ or the S20 Ultra) and applying the discount of the S10 the price is $349 plus tax.
 
I don't think last years flagships were a bargain unless you want to throw the lesser S10 or S10e into the mix.
To be fair current models offer features the S10 series didn't. If we look at the original release prices of S10+, the 128GB model was 999.00. The higher capacity ceramic models were 1249.00 for the 512GB model and 1599.00 for the 1TB model.
And yet 11 months later I got the ceramic brand new for £699 which is half the original price!!
 
No....more people worldwide buy mid-rangers overall than high end phones is what I'm trying to say.

I see alot of people with midrange devices, Samsung and otherwise. You'd never notice the difference if your eye wasn't trained for it, they look almost exactly like their high end counterparts, and that isn't by accident.

People say phones are too expensive. No, the phones YOU want are too expensive. People want all the latest specs, but don't want to pay for it. Otherwise, there are all sorts of midrange devices by every manufacturer that all almost just as good.

As for Samsung, the biggest misfires imo, was not including a non 5G variant. They're forcing customers to pay for something that isn't a necessity right now. The other, is not supporting older devices. That alone really decreases resale value.
 
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